Done!

[calmissile]

I thought if you were a US citizen you had to go through a separate exit from non citizens when you go through the airport once you get off the plane?  At least that's what I vaguely remember from when I came through JFK from Moscow in June, it seemed to me that the people who weren't citizens had to go a different way.  That said, I obviously don't have the time (or money for that matter) to fly to Moscow to meet her there and fly back with her.  Really that seems a little silly to me, I trust she can handle a 10 hour flight on her own without someone holding her hand the whole way, LOL!  Besides, there will be plenty of time for that once she gets here.

Some of the silliness spoken here is that FSU women are so stupid they cannot make connecting flights without an AM holding their hands along the way.   
How the hell do they think they travel by air all over Europe on vacations?  While it is 'nice' to accomodate your fiance/wife when it is practical, in most cases they are quite capable of navigating on their own when necessary!  All airports have enough people that are willing to help and provide directions even if you don't know the native language.   The tickets themselves, shown to someone official will get you directions to the proper gate.

As far as your customs question, I can only relate to LAX where my wife and I passed through just 2 weeks ago.  After you go through the customs lines you are in the same room and might have to pass your baggage through the x-ray machine before exiting.

Since my wife has a visa to the US, I was not sure whether she would have to be in a non-resident line and me in another line.  I simply asked one of the gals giving directions if my wife and I could go through the same line (resident).  She said "yes" take her with you.  The border agent processed us at the same time and did not even ask her any questions.  I doubt the agent could speak or understand Russian or Urkaine anyway.   

I don't understand all this coddling and worrying about the length of the trip, etc.  Might be true for a young AW, but I have yet to meet a FSUW woman that would prefer you take an extra day off work just to accomodate her handholding for part of the trip.  Having traveled with my wife and her 4 year old in tow all over Ukraine, I learned that these fascinating women can handle almost anything without being pampered and babied.  It's perhaps one of the things that make them so attractive (other than the obvious features).   

[JayH]

I don't understand all this coddling and worrying about the length of the trip, etc.     

  I agree with you about how competent fsuw generally are-- BUT-- it would be nice for her to see a familiar face as soon as possible on arrival in USA  and not have to do all the thinking alone.
  It is not the 10 hour flight time-- take the time that she left her home( her last home the last time) and calculate how long that is. Regardless of competence, travelling with a very yound child is going to be stressfull- to say the least.There are so many potential variable and issues for her to deal with alone, it is not a matter of simply being tired-- she will be exhausted!!

[jmana]

Some of the silliness spoken here is that FSU women are so stupid they cannot make connecting flights without an AM holding their hands along the way.   
How the hell do they think they travel by air all over Europe on vacations?  While it is 'nice' to accomodate your fiance/wife when it is practical, in most cases they are quite capable of navigating on their own when necessary!  All airports have enough people that are willing to help and provide directions even if you don't know the native language.   The tickets themselves, shown to someone official will get you directions to the proper gate.

As far as your customs question, I can only relate to LAX where my wife and I passed through just 2 weeks ago.  After you go through the customs lines you are in the same room and might have to pass your baggage through the x-ray machine before exiting.

Since my wife has a visa to the US, I was not sure whether she would have to be in a non-resident line and me in another line.  I simply asked one of the gals giving directions if my wife and I could go through the same line (resident).  She said "yes" take her with you.  The border agent processed us at the same time and did not even ask her any questions.  I doubt the agent could speak or understand Russian or Urkaine anyway.   

I don't understand all this coddling and worrying about the length of the trip, etc.  Might be true for a young AW, but I have yet to meet a FSUW woman that would prefer you take an extra day off work just to accomodate her handholding for part of the trip.  Having traveled with my wife and her 4 year old in tow all over Ukraine, I learned that these fascinating women can handle almost anything without being pampered and babied.  It's perhaps one of the things that make them so attractive (other than the obvious features).   

Finally, someone with some common sense    Yeah to be honest I think Alina would be a little offended if I showed up in Moscow to "guide" her through the uber complicated flight system, haha!  It's basically like saying "hey, you're a woman, and now you're a kept woman, and you will no longer have any independence, I'll be watching over and 'protecting' you from now on because I know you're incapable of doing anything on your own".   Going to Moscow, or New York to see her, what, 8 hours earlier?  That just screams of being desperate.    For me, I'm listening to what she said, and she said there is no reason for me to come to NY if I'm not driving, so I'll patiently wait for her and pick her up at the airport the next morning.

[Ade]

Finally, someone with some common sense    Yeah to be honest I think Alina would be a little offended if I showed up in Moscow to "guide" her through the uber complicated flight system, haha!  It's basically like saying "hey, you're a woman, and now you're a kept woman, and you will no longer have any independence, I'll be watching over and 'protecting' you from now on because I know you're incapable of doing anything on your own".   Going to Moscow, or New York to see her, what, 8 hours earlier?  That just screams of being desperate.    For me, I'm listening to what she said, and she said there is no reason for me to come to NY if I'm not driving, so I'll patiently wait for her and pick her up at the airport the next morning.

And then there are men that actually understand women. Well, at least as much as it's possible for men to understand women.


I guess you also give things like washing up gloves as birthday presents and think 8th March is an annoyance best ignored, right?

[Gator]

  I agree with you about how competent fsuw generally are-- BUT-- it would be nice for her to see a familiar face as soon as possible on arrival in USA  and not have to do all the thinking alone.

And she will, when arriving at jmana's airport.   

Please read: "For me, I'm listening to what she said, and she said there is no reason for me to come to NY if I'm not driving..."

Alina is evidently a big girl.  And she will be a very tired girl even after spending a night at a hotel. 

[Boethius]

Finally, someone with some common sense    Yeah to be honest I think Alina would be a little offended if I showed up in Moscow to "guide" her through the uber complicated flight system, haha!  It's basically like saying "hey, you're a woman, and now you're a kept woman, and you will no longer have any independence, I'll be watching over and 'protecting' you from now on because I know you're incapable of doing anything on your own".   Going to Moscow, or New York to see her, what, 8 hours earlier?  That just screams of being desperate.    For me, I'm listening to what she said, and she said there is no reason for me to come to NY if I'm not driving, so I'll patiently wait for her and pick her up at the airport the next morning.

And yet, for his wife's first visit to the U.S., he managed to get her on the same flight as he took.

It isn't about "guiding" a woman anywhere, or watching over her, or protecting her.  I have flown all over North America and Europe on my own, and with children in tow, and dealt with missed connections and cancelled flights.  Most women can manage these things, be they FSUW or WW.   It is the gesture and the thoughtfulness.

[missAmeno]

I am a bit taken aback by comments on our resilience/toughness. Yes, we are well capable to be resilient and tough but I have not seen yet one woman (FSU or not) that sincerely happy with SO who relies on women's resilience and toughness.

[Muzh]

I really don't understand all the silly comments on this thread. All he has to do is stuff the mother and daughter in a wooden crate, make a few holes on the crate, give them a water dish and wait for delivery. The UPS guys are normally careful with the crates.

[Ade]

I really don't understand all the silly comments on this thread. All he has to do is stuff the mother and daughter in a wooden crate, make a few holes on the crate, give them a water dish and wait for delivery. The UPS guys are normally careful with the crates.

Better be careful there Muzh or Dave is liable to go moderator all over your bad arse.

[Muzh]

MOI??

[Ade]

MOI??

He said something about being a crack whore or cracking down or some such.

[three day posting suspension for trolling a moderator]

[Daveman]

Yes, we are serious.

[Muzh]

He said something about being a crack whore or cracking down or some such.

[three day posting suspension for trolling a moderator]

Damn, I take a Christmas break and miss all the fun.

[jmana]

I really don't understand all the silly comments on this thread. All he has to do is stuff the mother and daughter in a wooden crate, make a few holes on the crate, give them a water dish and wait for delivery. The UPS guys are normally careful with the crates.

UPS doesn't deliver from Russia that I know of.  Now Fedex is another story.....  I am joking, seriously, it's a joke for all you guys born without a sense of humor

[alex330]

Congrats. Don't forget the flowers for her arrival.

[Muzh]

UPS doesn't deliver from Russia that I know of.  Now Fedex is another story.....  I am joking, seriously, it's a joke for all you guys born without a sense of humor

Dude, I'll be brutally honest with you.
 
Every single move you have made so far can and may be interpreted by this woman that you are importing a maid/sex slave/cook.
 
Of course, I'm standing on the outside. But, you have shown that she is just secondary to what is important to you.
 
Take it for what it is.
 
And, no. This is NOT a personal attack. JMNSHO
 
Edit: DHL does deliver from Russia.

[GQBlues]

Finally, someone with some common sense    Yeah to be honest I think Alina would be a little offended if I showed up in Moscow to "guide" her through the uber complicated flight system, haha!  It's basically like saying "hey, you're a woman, and now you're a kept woman, and you will no longer have any independence, I'll be watching over and 'protecting' you from now on because I know you're incapable of doing anything on your own".   Going to Moscow, or New York to see her, what, 8 hours earlier?  That just screams of being desperate.    For me, I'm listening to what she said, and she said there is no reason for me to come to NY if I'm not driving, so I'll patiently wait for her and pick her up at the airport the next morning.

You know...now that I've come to think over your saga here jmana, I've come to actually agree with what you have done so far. Having said that, yes, Calmissile's post is spot-on!

FSUWs are indeed very resilient women. This is after all why we are all there searching for our significant others in FSU to begin with. They are a very special breed of women and nothing like the types of women that litter our society who think of nothing but themselves. The *Me, Me* mentality. I am so happy I married a Russian. You will be, too. I promise you!

So please, understand that I am being sincere with this, I applaud your conviction for staying the course and ignoring all the other previous opinions of the site's members and instead took the words of your fiancee that she will be perfectly alright with whatever decision or plan you have installed for her pending trip to the US.

You should be celebrated!

So, I wish you and your future married life with such a wonderful woman to be nothing but blissful! It is women like her and marriages like you're about to have is why men like us need to support one another. The advice you got to make sure you start to generate other Ukrainian/Russian women and/or folks to help welcome your wife and child's arrival to the US is golden!. That really should put her anxiety at ease and will make her feel so much more comfortable and confident of her decision to be wit you here in the US. That was such a wonderful advice.

Congratulations and Good luck!

[jone]

Dude, I'll be brutally honest with you.
 
Every single move you have made so far can and may be interpreted by this woman that you are importing a maid/sex slave/cook.
 
Of course, I'm standing on the outside. But, you have shown that she is just secondary to what is important to you.
 
Take it for what it is.


And, no. This is NOT a personal attack. JMNSHO
 
Edit: DHL does deliver from Russia.

+1

Think this one through.  Everyone is saying the same thing about how you approach your situation.  You may be a very tender individual but your perception of how to communicate needs some serious work.

If all of us are seeing the same thing, and I think that the forum is almost universal, then either we're all wrong, or you need someone to advise you on how to deal with a mate.  No matter how many women you import from Russia, or where ever, the results will always be similar.

I think Gator gave some very good advice above.

[Konfushus]

Every single move you have made so far can and may be interpreted by this woman that you are importing a maid/sex slave/cook.

Could you elaborate on this?

What I've read so far is that this guy...

Was unable to book a flight for his fiancee to his hometown without a long (overnight) layover.

Originally planned to drive 10 hours to meet his wife at the airport so that she would not have to find her way to a hotel without him. Planned for them to drive home that night rather than stay in New York so that they all would arrive home earlier (avoid traffic the next day, and better for his son at home also).

SHE seemed fine with this plan. She told him she and her child would both sleep in the car anyways.

He later changed his plans after being criticized on this forum.

He discussed his original and his changed plans with his fiancee and is going along with what SHE says rather than what anonymous strangers on this forum tell him.

In addition he asked what type of food he should buy to make his fiancee's arrival more comfortable.

Explain to me how each of these 'moves' can and may be interpreted as him importing a sex slave / maid / cook. Or are you referring to other threads that I haven't read and posting here out of context?

[Konfushus]

In addition, I've noticed that quite a few of you here refer to 'importing' a wife. Is this how you men feel about your own present or future wife? It reveals a lot about how you guys think of women.

I notice that in this thread, the poster is being criticized for following what his fiancee tells him she is ok with. Read his quote:

For me, I'm listening to what she said, and she said there is no reason for me to come to NY if I'm not driving, so I'll patiently wait for her and pick her up at the airport the next morning.

It seems that many of you would prefer that he make decisions based on the advice of strangers and not what she says. So let me ask you guys seriously - is this how you treat the women in your life? Do you make decisions for them disregarding their input? If your wife or future wife told you 'no reason to come to NY' in this case, would you still go?

[Muzh]

Could you elaborate on this?

What I've read so far is that this guy...

Was unable to book a flight for his fiancee to his hometown without a long (overnight) layover.

Originally planned to drive 10 hours to meet his wife at the airport so that she would not have to find her way to a hotel without him. Planned for them to drive home that night rather than stay in New York so that they all would arrive home earlier (avoid traffic the next day, and better for his son at home also).

SHE seemed fine with this plan. She told him she and her child would both sleep in the car anyways.

He later changed his plans after being criticized on this forum.

He discussed his original and his changed plans with his fiancee and is going along with what SHE says rather than what anonymous strangers on this forum tell him.

In addition he asked what type of food he should buy to make his fiancee's arrival more comfortable.

Explain to me how each of these 'moves' can and may be interpreted as him importing a sex slave / maid / cook. Or are you referring to other threads that I haven't read and posting here out of context?

Man, it seems I have more explaining to do, eh?
 
To beging with, two members of the RWD separately came to the same flight from Moscow to closer to his house. He just went to United website for whatever reason and that was it. Like couldn't be bothered researching further for something that would be a win-win; like a reasonable price to avoid a long lay over and then a long ride home.
 
Why did he discussed his plans here and then changed his mind? Let me guess. Maybe because they were half-assed?
 
Still, the man is uprooting a woman and a very young child, moving them thousands of miles away from their support system and the best he can do is not inconvenience his child's school day so he will make the woman and child have a "fun" adventure driving another 10 hours back home so they can see the magnificence of America in middle of winter.
 
Konfushus, let me ask you. Do you have young children? How often do you pleasure them with a 10 hour car ride? Because silly me spends an additional 30% on airline tickets so my 11 yo arrives at the airport and then takes a 15 min cab ride to my outlaws instead of the 8 to 9 hour bus ride from KBP to Kharkiv. But what the hell, he is only my son. Will not mention that I paid the extra 30% this summer for my SIL. Not that I'm marrying her. DUH!
 
When people matter to me, I don't make excuses. I do what I have to do to releave their burden. But that's just silly me.
 
Trust me, I would treat a maid better too.

[Muzh]

In addition, I've noticed that quite a few of you here refer to 'importing' a wife. Is this how you men feel about your own present or future wife? It reveals a lot about how you guys think of women.

When you treat them as a secondary thought, well, yes.

[Faux Pas]

Man, it seems I have more explaining to do, eh?
 
To beging with, two members of the RWD separately came to the same flight from Moscow to closer to his house. He just went to United website for whatever reason and that was it. Like couldn't be bothered researching further for something that would be a win-win; like a reasonable price to avoid a long lay over and then a long ride home.
 
Why did he discussed his plans here and then changed his mind? Let me guess. Maybe because they were half-assed?
 
Still, the man is uprooting a woman and a very young child, moving them thousands of miles away from their support system and the best he can do is not inconvenience his child's school day so he will make the woman and child have a "fun" adventure driving another 10 hours back home so they can see the magnificence of America in middle of winter.
 
Konfushus, let me ask you. Do you have young children? How often do you pleasure them with a 10 hour car ride? Because silly me spends an additional 30% on airline tickets so my 11 yo arrives at the airport and then takes a 15 min cab ride to my outlaws instead of the 8 to 9 hour bus ride from KBP to Kharkiv. But what the hell, he is only my son. Will not mention that I paid the extra 30% this summer for my SIL. Not that I'm marrying her. DUH!
 
When people matter to me, I don't make excuses. I do what I have to do to releave their burden. But that's just silly me.
 
Trust me, I would treat a maid better too.

Well stated Mr. Muzh 

[Daveman]

... Do you make decisions for them disregarding their input? If your wife or future wife told you 'no reason to come to NY' in this case, would you still go?

Well, eeeyaeh!  I figure it this way, whether I make the decision, or use her input, *I* will be wrong either way.. sooooo.. I just handle it and be wrong (by spending too much money, blah blah... blah blah blah... BLAHHHH blah.. imagine Charlie Brown's teacher) while she "comfortably" (due to my wrong efforts no doubt)  lavishes me with her critical vituperations.   

[Muzh]

Well, eeeyaeh!  I figure it this way, whether I make the decision, or use her input, *I* will be wrong either way.. sooooo.. I just handle it and be wrong (by spending too much money, blah blah... blah blah blah... BLAHHHH blah.. imagine Charlie Brown's teacher) while she "comfortably" (due to my wrong efforts no doubt)  lavishes me with her critical vituperations.   

Oh, you hound dog. You like to be lavished by wifey.