Protesters in Ukraine remind us of the priceless benefits of being EU members

[die_cast]

It is clear that justme100 has no love for Ukraine.

Having spoken to people from other regions of Ukraine,including Nikolaev and Dnepropetrovsk ,many of them now consider the Crimeans as traitors.

When I suggested that maybe Crimea could/should be given back to Russia,their response was "No..it's our land "

True Ukrainians are very patriotic,something the likes of steveboy and justme100 fail to comprehend,assuming the latter is actually Ukrainian.

Crimea is Russian land which was given to Ukraine as a gift many years ago and now wants to be independent, because it's population doesn't want to be ruled by goverment with Ukrainian Nazi (who you can keep calling "true Ukrainian patriots"), who hate Russian people and Russian language. If those "patriots" were quiet, it wouldn't happen and Crimea still was a peaceful part of Ukraine and doesn't ask Russia to come there and defend them.

Russia doesn't want and doesn't need this war. Ukraine is independent state and have to learn to solve it's problems itself, without Russia, EU or US. If they want one revolution after another - it's their choice, if they want a civil war - it's their choice.
Unfortunately, there are many Russians live in Ukraine still, Russia is obligated to defend them if they ask. I hope that presence of Russian Army in Crimea will be enough so they can hold a referendum, nobody will be killed and every Russian man back home alive.

[die_cast]

Typical Yank

Closed-minded and arrogant, you mean? 

[lonedrake]

 I don't believe that Americans will support any military action with Russia.   If fact.....I believe more Americans would rather have Obama killed than Putin.

One of Putins speeches from last fall has been making the rounds on outdoor websites. Most readers like Putin's views and despise Obama's.

Vladimir Putin's SHORTEST SPEECH!

This is one time our elected leaders should pay attention to the advice of Vladimir Putin.... How scary is that?
On August 04, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma, (Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions with minorities in Russia :

"In Russia live like Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia ,to work and eat in Russia , should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, and live the life of Muslim's then we advise them to go to those places where that's the state law. Russia does not need Muslim minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell 'discrimination'. We will not tolerate disrespect of our Russian culture. We had better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation. The Muslims are taking over those countries and they will not take over Russia . The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of Sharia Law and Muslims. When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the Russian national interest first, observing that the Muslims Minorities "Are Not Russians."

The politicians in the Duma gave Putin a five minute standing ovation.


If you keep this to yourself, you are part of the problem!

It is a sad day when a Communist makes more sense than our President Barack Hussein Obama........ but here it is!!!!

[dogspot]

Quite frankly the fact is many of us have been advocating for an aggressive foreign policy toward Vladimir Vladimirovich for quite some time.  Glad to see you FINALLY arriving to the same conclusion.  You can stand up to Justme100 all you want, the only thing that will stop  Vladimir Vladimirovich and his guns, tanks, jets and ships is more guns, tanks, jets and ships.  You as a man of some military training know this.  The time for talk is over.

All ships bound for Russia must be stopped, seized and re-routed and failing this they must be sunk.  NATO must mobilize all its forces along Russia's borders.  NATO jets must fly over Ukraine and when and if Putin withdraws, THEN we can talk.  But not until afterward . . . better late than never I say.

Dude, The US is not going to war over Ukraine so quit talking like a war-hungry imbecile. This situation will be handled diplomatically and by way of economic sanctions. You can keep dreaming up strategies and material for a screenplay or future comic book, but we will never, ever go to war with Russia over Ukraine.

[jone]

Crimea is Russian land which was given to Ukraine as a gift many years ago and now wants to be independent, because it's population doesn't want to be ruled by goverment with Ukrainian Nazi (who you can keep calling "true Ukrainian patriots"), who hate Russian people and Russian language. If those "patriots" were quiet, it wouldn't happen and Crimea still was a peaceful part of Ukraine and doesn't ask Russia to come there and defend them.

Russia doesn't want and doesn't need this war. Ukraine is independent state and have to learn to solve it's problems itself, without Russia, EU or US. If they want one revolution after another - it's their choice, if they want a civil war - it's their choice.

Unfortunately, there are many Russians live in Ukraine still, Russia is obligated to defend them if they ask. I hope that presence of Russian Army in Crimea will be enough so they can hold a referendum, nobody will be killed and every Russian man back home alive.

Here, Friends, is another extremist.  What about all of the Russians living in other lands?  Say Estonia, Germany or California........

Brighton Beach has a majority of Russians.  Alaska used to be Russian territory too.

Once you have a gun to someone's head, it is very easy to hold a winning referendum.  And what happens when some of those people who live in Ukraine don't want Russian soldiers there?  And they are soldiers being displaced.  That is how wars start.

But I'm sure your insulated perspective, way out there in Siberia, allows you the luxury of stating the Official Russian propaganda.

It is funny.  Comparatively, Lukashenko is a much more outspoken Nazi than anyone living today.  I don't hear you calling for protection of Russians in Belarus from those arrogant Fascists!

When bullets start flying back and forth, we will remind you of your words. 

[lordtiberius]

Dude, The US is not going to war over Ukraine so quit talking like a war-hungry imbecile. This situation will be handled diplomatically and by way of economic sanctions. You can keep dreaming up strategies and material for a screenplay or future comic book, but we will never, ever go to war with Russia over Ukraine.

Feelings are mutual.  Probably from a man who has never served.  Meanwhile

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304585004579415452215473872?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304585004579415452215473872.html

American trade with Russia accounts for just 1% of total U.S. trade, and many European governments, particularly Germany, appeared reluctant over the weekend to impose any broad economic sanctions on Moscow.

Ukraine you are on your own because of guys like  . . .

[die_cast]

Here, Friends, is another extremist.

I take that as a compliment. I see it's the last word in RWD fashion to call "an extremist" every person who doesn't support your POV about Ukraine.

What about all of the Russians living in other lands?  Say Estonia, Germany or California........
Brighton Beach has a majority of Russians.  Alaska used to be Russian territory too.

Did they ask Russia to defend them as Crimea did?

Once you have a gun to someone's head, it is very easy to hold a winning referendum.

Crimea wants to be independent. Not Russian. Independent. I see no reason why they can't have a referendum.

But I'm sure your insulated perspective, way out there in Siberia, allows you the luxury of stating the Official Russian propaganda.

I have many luxuries living here, thanks. But that what you call "a propaganda" is not one of them.

It is funny.  Comparatively, Lukashenko is a much more outspoken Nazi than anyone living today.  I don't hear you calling for protection of Russians in Belarus from those arrogant Fascists!

Belarus is independent state, same as Ukraine, but Lukashenko has nothing to do with Ukrainian kind of Nazi. If you don't understand what kind of Nazi we are talking about, may be you have to do some research before calling other people "extremist"?

When bullets start flying back and forth, we will remind you of your words.

Bullets were flying already just several days ago. Ukrainian people were killing Ukrainian people.

[lordtiberius]

Lushenko is a Nazi.  I wouldn't want to live there.

[lordtiberius]

Communists gone wild

[jone]

Seems to me, Die_cast, you are the one calling people Nazis.  I was just using a point of reference.  And, yes, that is extremist.

And what is with the underscore in all of your names?  Is that a Siberian thing?

My understanding is that NO ONE was threatening Krim.  But, you being so close to the situation at hand, must have underlying information that none of us had!  Perhaps, you, like JustMe100 can show us the pictures of all of the rapes and murders being committed by those EuroMaidan Nazis?   

You accuse the rest of Ukraine of subjugating the minorities, yet think it is perfectly acceptable for Krim to do it to their (sic) minorities.  A plebiscite is only legitimate when there is no undue outside influence.  Russian military provides that undue influence. 

As to the bullets flying in Kyiv, those were aimed at the 'so called' Nazis you refer to.

I love the Russian people, but I find it absolutely amazing that the only perspective that they are willing to consider is their own.   Doesn't it seem a little odd that the entire upper house of the Duma (The Federation Council of Russia) voted UNANIMOUSLY for military action?  Doesn't that seem just a bit extreme?

Most of the people in the world believe that there should be no bloodshed.  But when you force a military into a situation in direct conflict with the military of the country that it is occupying, there will, undoubtedly, be bloodshed. 

Ultimately Russia is continuing to polarize.  The United States has a wishy-washy President (think Jimmy Carter).  It is pretty well decided that over the next few months Donetsk and Kharkiv, and Poltava, and Kherson and Lugansk and Mykolaiv and Odessa will fall to the Russians.  Because each of those areas need protection from the Nazis as well. 

You referenced my point of view?  My point of view is to end any bloodshed.  Plain and simple.  The reality is that there was no murdering or raping going on.  Everything about said items as the reason for the Russians being in Krim was MADE UP.    By the Russians.  So they could occupy.  Get it?  (No, I'm sure you don't!)

I don't support the EuroMaidan activists.  But I don't support the heavy boot of a Russian led take over either.  Those who stand for either, I will oppose.  They are the extremists.

[jone]

"More than ten million Germans living in two states located outside our borders ... There can be no doubt that the political separation from the Reich should not result in depriving them of their rights, more precisely, the basic rights - to self-determination. For world power unbearably aware that the brothers in race supporting her, exposed cruelly persecuted and tortured for their desire to be together with the nation to share her fate. In the interests of the German Reich is to protect these Germans who live along our borders, but they can not defend their own political and spiritual freedom, " February 20, 1938 , Adolf Hitler

[lordtiberius]

Act Non Verba:

http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2014/03/222720.htm

Bay of Pigs and losing China, gotta love these democrats

[JayH]

Crimea is Russian land which was given to Ukraine as a gift many years ago and now wants to be independent, because it's population doesn't want to be ruled by goverment with Ukrainian Nazi (who you can keep calling "true Ukrainian patriots"), who hate Russian people and Russian language. If those "patriots" were quiet, it wouldn't happen and Crimea still was a peaceful part of Ukraine and doesn't ask Russia to come there and defend them.

Russia doesn't want and doesn't need this war. Ukraine is independent state and have to learn to solve it's problems itself, without Russia, EU or US. If they want one revolution after another - it's their choice, if they want a civil war - it's their choice.
Unfortunately, there are many Russians live in Ukraine still, Russia is obligated to defend them if they ask. I hope that presence of Russian Army in Crimea will be enough so they can hold a referendum, nobody will be killed and every Russian man back home alive.

who hate Russian people and Russian language.

That is simply untrue. It is what Russian media has promoted-but it is wholly false.

Crimea still was a peaceful part of Ukraine and doesn't ask Russia to come there and defend them.

There  was no need whatsover for Russia to step in-- any change of direvction was possible by a peaceful democratic process. Anything Putin says is nothing more than rationalisation for his expansionsit political aims-- plus supporting his cronies.
Russia doesn't want and doesn't need this war.
Russia created this war--by commiting an act of war--if any one had half a brain in Russia they would pack their bags and go home before they are humiliated.
Unfortunately, there are many Russians live in Ukraine still, Russia is obligated to defend them if they ask.
The fact is that many Russian speakers are proud Ukrainians-- fact not fiction, The peopel who "asked" Russia to get involved are the same murderous Berkut responsible for Kiev murders-their purpose is to avoid prosecution for those murders-- and prepared to start a war to succeed.It just happens to coincide with Putins own stupidity.
it's population doesn't want to be ruled by goverment with Ukrainian Nazi

What utter nonsense-- Russian TV portrayed the peoples revolt in Kiev as being the work of 200 Gay Nazis ( not joking)-- and left people wondering how they could have possibly deposed a corrupt government. The same TV failed to sound 100's of thousands pf people supported the removal of that government by attending protests.
http://ex-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Bhv808CCcAAMxFu.jpg

[BillyB]

The US is not going to war over Ukraine

I don't think Obama has the balls to go to war over Ukraine but truth is America is supposed to if we are a nation of integrity. In exchange for Ukraine giving up the third largest nuclear arsenal in the world, America guaranteed Ukraine's security against threats. So did Russia. It's an old deal and Putin and Obama didn't sign it. Putin didn't honor the deal so I don't expect Obama to either. Read all about it below. If Ukraine kept their big guns(nuclear arsenal) instead of relying on security from others, I don't think Russia would be so quick to mess with them and we wouldn't be in this mess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

[BC]

I don't believe that Americans will support any military action with Russia.   If fact.....I believe more Americans would rather have Obama killed than Putin.

One of Putins speeches from last fall has been making the rounds on outdoor websites. Most readers like Putin's views and despise Obama's.

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/putin-duma-speech-sharia-law.shtml

[JayH]

I take that as a compliment. I see it's the last word in RWD fashion to call "an extremist" taking a ridiculous position like you are with no concern for human life-thats extremistevery person who doesn't support your POV about UkraineInvading a foreign country on a ridiculous pretext is extremist-- potentially creating a situation where many lives could be lost is sheer craziness.Did they ask Russia to defend them as Crimea did? Crimea wants to be independent. Not Russian.So why is the Russian military there-- and more pouring in by the minute Independent. I see no reason why they can't have a referendum.There was no reason for Russia to invade to do this--an excuse was created-- a very lame one at thgat I have many luxuries living here, thanks. But that what you call "a propaganda" is not one of them.You do not see independant information and are simply believing the Russian propaganda that is easily proven to be nonsenseBelarus is independent state, same as Ukraine, but Lukashenko has nothing to do with Ukrainian kind of Nazi.The people in government in Ukraine are not Nazis-- another piece of Russian propaganda If you don't understand what kind of Nazi we are talking about, may be you have to do some research before calling other people "extremist"? Bullets were flying already just several days ago. Ukrainian people were killing Ukrainian people.Yes-the same Russian speaking Crimean Berkut that called Russia prevent the law dealing with them as the murderers they are

An irony in your comments that perplexes me is this-- Americans do not like the idea of gun control-I often wonder why they think they will be the ones doing the shooting-- in this case-- I wonder why Russian apologists think they will be the ones who do the effective shooting in this crisis.Putiin has taken a huge risk and is in danger of being made look ridiculous.In the meantime-it might be wise to show some humility- and above all else show so respect for human life. What makes me laugh-- the mighty Russian military machine is mobilised to "capture" some important "targets" !! I could have taken over the Simferopal airport if I arrived in a taxi with a kitchen knife!!How ridiculous can they make themselves look.

[JayH]

A couple of interesting comments in this article--I think that Putins actions in Ukraine will lead to the collapse of Russia itself-the final disintegration of the Soviet Union that Putin is hell bent on recreating!!

U.S. considers entry of Russian troops in the Crimea, as an act of direct aggression. They are ready to take all necessary measures. Imposition of economic sanctions against individuals and entities from Russia and freezing their accounts.

Russian billionaires of the Forbes top 100 in a panic drained shares of Russian companies. Predicted the stock market crash and the subsequent collapse of the ruble.

NATO has regarded received Russian President Vladimir Putin of senators permission to send troops to Ukraine as a threat to peace in Europe. Such a statement is a clear indication that Putin risking start the third world war.


http://ex-news.com/russian-aggression/

Russia is already feeling the effects of the invasion in Ukraine

Do not say about Putin, but he does not hold the mind

Putin can talk about a lot. Compare him with Hitler talking about schizophrenia and Napoleonic megalomania. But one does not take away from him: he is extremely intelligent and thoughtful schizophrenic with the makings of Hitler and Napoleon's megalomania.

Bhv808CCcAAMxFuHe pulled out of the sleeve Yanukovych, is the former president of the manual, which was one problem: say it legitimate president. However, he can talk about Ukraine as a partner of Ukraine, about lustration grandchildren and seizure of religious buildings in Kiev Bandera. But formal function he performed win saharok and fled to the next act of the play.

Advance was not only suspended the zombie Kremlin propaganda channel rain . He was expelled from all cable networks, and Russians corny nowhere on TV to get objective information. Did it masterfully, finding formal occasion .

One of the key opposition figures of modern Russian Alexei Navalny was put under house arrest until April 28 for violation of the subscription not to leave there on some Lipovogo case . And here the Ukraine? Given that it is a blog Alexei Navalny - is a powerful tool dissemination of truthful information about events in Ukraine on the Internet. It reads hundreds of thousands of people who openly oppose the policies of Putin. Just Bulk events supported by the change of power in Ukraine.

In this scenario, information propaganda in Russia is not threatened. Kremlin talking heads Dmitry Kiselev and Vladimir Soloviev in his theatrical television broadcasts (news or information to call them impossible) zombiruyut Russians and literally screwed their mind about Bandera lawlessness and fascist plague that rolled over the Russian land.

But what Putin did not expect, it's that the consequences of Russia's invasion of the sovereign territory of Ukraine made themselves felt as early as this weekend. And if he's ready for this, the King went really roof.

Implications for Russians

001rx5ceFirst of all, the weekend started the collapse of the ruble. $ 1 now give 40 rubles instead of 36.5 that had been on Friday. The euro give 50 rubles that ordinary Russians plunges into shock. Exchangers have accumulated queue.

Russian billionaires of the Forbes top 100 in a panic drained shares of Russian companies. Predicted the stock market crash and the subsequent collapse of the ruble.

U.S. considers entry of Russian troops in the Crimea, as an act of direct aggression. They are ready to take all necessary measures. Imposition of economic sanctions against individuals and entities from Russia and freezing their accounts. President Obama does not rule out military intervention .

Stopped preparations for the summit of Eight United States, Britain, Canada, Germany, Italy, Japan and France. They published an official statement . In fact, given the current events, the summit is impossible until it stabilizes the situation in Ukraine.

NATO has regarded received Russian President Vladimir Putin of senators permission to send troops to Ukraine as a threat to peace in Europe. Such a statement is a clear indication that Putin risking start the third world war.

U.S., Canada, UK recalled their ambassadors from Russia for consultations.

Europe and the U.S. are ready to consider the possibility of depriving citizens of Russian visas in the case of a further escalation of the conflict in the Crimea.

[BC]

http://www.nytimes.com/1983/10/29/world/us-vetoes-un-resolution-deploring-grenada-invasion.html

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/12/24/world/fighting-panama-united-nations-security-council-condemnation-invasion-vetoed.html

http://articles.latimes.com/1989-12-30/news/mn-956_1_general-assembly

Heck even the war with Iraq was in question as far as international law goes..  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War

The then United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan said in September 2004 that: "From our point of view and the UN Charter point of view, it [the war] was illegal."[1][2]

Again, just adding perspective. That's why there are countries called 'superpowers'.. they are above, or can work around international law.

One can only hope that the saber rattling goes away quickly. 

[justme100]

Justme..... what do you think of the referendum coming this month to decide the future status of Crimea? Which will pass....... whether the region should retain its current status as an autonomous region in Ukraine, to become independent, or become part of Russia again?

I have heard several people say they don't mind the Russians being in Crimea but do not want to be part of Russia again.

The desicion as to referendum was taken already, it will take place on the 30 of March and there is only one question there concerning Autonomy of Crimea. Nothing about being part of Russia. So people will decide if they want to obey Kiev's nazis or have our own goverment and so on.

[steveboy]

Lushenko is a Nazi.  I wouldn't want to live there.

How do you know he is a Nazi????? I watch him pretty often on TV interviews , actually he is a pretty funny guy, some of what he says is actually true. You should take a look at some of his interviews

[steveboy]

The "Evil Empire" should take all responsibility for Ukraine, just another messed up country to add to their list. As the "Evil Empire" says "F**** the EU""

Its what they pretty well said and thought isnt it???????




http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_03/USAID-got-Maidan-coup-up-and-running-media-6362/

[justme100]

Concerning those barking so loud about separatism in Crimea, lol have a look, this pictire shows pretty well.
Separatizm and extremism in Crimea and peaceful protestors in Kiev

[justme100]

If she a man from the Russian Propaganda Ministry

Yes, I;m a very manly man)))

[justme100]

Support from the USA might be just wishful thinking.

In fact there is info in Ukrainian sources about planes with armed people from american private organization this night. Not sure if it can be believed, but still.

[steveboy]

I guess this is what will happen to me if the "Evil Empire" has its way in Europe!!