Women with Children - more strongly worded advice

[Muzh]

Muzh, buddy, I would not want my wife to be a stripper.  From my understanding, most strippers are messed up in the head.


Since I answered your question, now I have one for you.  If your wife decided she wanted to be a stripper, how would you stop her?  Granted, stopping her would be considered abusive in many circles because you're trying to control her and her happiness.

LMAO
 
I would ask her to be a very selective stripper and had a clientele of ONE. That would be me. 
 
Unlike you, I do not have to subdue women.

[jmana]

No, I just left. One of us had to. I wanted our kid to have the same home, but he would not leave and he also quit his job to avoid obligations. Did I mention he pushed me in front of our son that night? I went to friends house for a night, but he had already posted on craigslist "dinner anyone??"...So, I definitely did not want to go back there after I saw him looking for a date already... ( I have an copy of that,  as well)

When the hell did I EVER quit my job??  And no, you didn't just leave, I kicked your ass out because I got tired of your cheating ass.  Thought I wouldn't bring that one up huh?  Well I have a PRINTOUT of that too, so shove it.  And yeah, I did want to go out to dinner with someone, because I certainly didn't want to talk to your boring ass anymore. 

[LiveFromUkraine]

I don't work as a "stripper "anymore. I had no idea what it was until we found out about his sister. I only worked there when I was married to jmana  part time and only when I had a huge medical bill in 2008 due to my ectopic pregnancy with the second husband. Nobody gave a crap about my problems, but I had to take care of my business and focused on my goals despite everything else.

I don't have those problems anymore. I am just pointing out the facts. I don't have any addictions and never did drugs, never been to jail and did not grow up in the trailer park. So f what u think, dear. Your opinion mean 0 to me. Go defend that freak all you want, maybe he will engage you in the gang-bang with Alina as he tried to do that while I was married to him.

Actually, I think my opinion does matter to you.  That is why you're here.  Otherwise you wouldn't have unloaded all this crap on the forum. 


You and Jmana would have been better off never getting into this online.  Your son certainly deserves better.

[GQBlues]

There is a support system for abused women while men have no such support system.  The support system I speak of would have been a lot better than stripping...

Really?!? I bet right now, you wouldn't know where to go and even search for that particular place, right?

So how anyone got there matters very little as long as they actually reached where they wanted to go. Educate themselves and get their career. You can think very little of that, so what, jmana thinks so, too.

...Typical GQ, if someone doesn't agree make it personal.  Sorry son, I am not an old man so your usual schtick doesn't work....

No. What's typical are folks trying to be devil's advocate without one iota of sense or conviction behind what they're saying.

...White knight to the rescue man.  This has the makings of a movie.

This is exactly the point I make above.

 

[jmana]

22 with no relatives or support system, in a different country, but managed to get her education and is now reaping those benefits - yet somehow you found that laughable?

Reaping the benefits of her education??  She works 12 hour days answering the phone for her husband with no health insurance.  Talk about being a slave

[LiveFromUkraine]

Unlike you, I do not have to subdue women.

Muzh, you need to get out and get some fresh air.  You're making silly statements again.

[Southpaw1982]

There is a support system for abused women while men have no such support system.  The support system I speak of would have been a lot better than stripping.

Typical GQ, if someone doesn't agree make it personal.  Sorry son, I am not an old man so your usual schtick doesn't work.




White knight to the rescue man.  This has the makings of a movie.

I could not get any help. If I could I would. You and jmana  are winners lol

[Southpaw1982]

Actually, I think my opinion does matter to you.  That is why you're here.  Otherwise you wouldn't have unloaded all this crap on the forum. 


You and Jmana would have been better off never getting into this online.  Your son certainly deserves better.

Is there an ignore button? lol

[Southpaw1982]

When the hell did I EVER quit my job??  And no, you didn't just leave, I kicked your ass out because I got tired of your cheating ass.  Thought I wouldn't bring that one up huh?  Well I have a PRINTOUT of that too, so shove it.  And yeah, I did want to go out to dinner with someone, because I certainly didn't want to talk to your boring ass anymore.

No, not worried about that at all. BTW, Lou and I are still friends, and we never hooked up.

I pity you.

[Muzh]

Muzh, you need to get out and get some fresh air.  You're making silly statements again.

Ah, because you don't like my answer I have to go out for fresh air?
 
Who's making silly statements?
 
You don't like what GQ wrote so you whip out the straw man?
 
Mmm Hmm

[LiveFromUkraine]

Really?!? I bet right now, you wouldn't know where to go and even search for that particular place, right?

Dude, this is the 20th century.  You telling me you couldn't find it online?   Cmon man!

So how anyone got there matters very little as long as they actually reached where they wanted to go. Educate themselves and get their career. You can think very little of that, so what, jmana thinks so, too.

Ah, I see. The end goal justifies everything.  Sell some drugs, but as long as you're getting an education it is all cool.  No matter if a few people die in the process, eh?

No. What's typical are folks trying to be devil's advocate without one iota of sense or conviction behind what they're saying.

Nah man, I am not playing devils advocate but it is easy for some of you guys to try and push it that way.  I didn't comment in this thread until I read enough.  I have seen posts from both people and made up my mind from those.  Not some preconceived notion of what an MOBer is but what was written by both people.  You should try it some time.

[Muzh]

Dude, this is the 20th century.  You telling me you couldn't find it online?   Cmon man!
 

<cough, cough>
 
Psst, it's the 21st century.


 

[Muzh]

Ah, I see. The end goal justifies everything.  Sell some drugs, but as long as you're getting an education it is all cool.  No matter if a few people die in the process, eh?

I didn't see jmana post anywhere he went to college, nor that he paid for her college.
 
AND definitely, I didn't see southpaw say she was selling drugs to go to college.

Nah man, I am not playing devils advocate but it is easy for some of you guys to try and push it that way.  I didn't comment in this thread until I read enough.  I have seen posts from both people and made up my mind from those.  Not some preconceived notion of what an MOBer is but what was written by both people.  You should try it some time.

So basically, yes.

[jmana]

I didn't see jmana post anywhere he went to college, nor that he paid for her college.
 

I went to college, and no I didn't pay for her college, she went to school after our divorce and got herself deep into school loan debt because of it.  Sucks she didn't even utilize her fancy medical assisting degree (not really sure what that's good for anyway, other than scheduling appointments at a doctors office).

[LiveFromUkraine]

I didn't see jmana post anywhere he went to college, nor that he paid for her college.
 
AND definitely, I didn't see southpaw say she was selling drugs to go to college.
 
So basically, yes.

Muzh, I am all for discussion and debate.  If you want to pull statements out of context then the discussion is over for me.  If you want to make statements about me like having to subdue women then the discussion is over for me.


It's up to you whether you want to engage me in further debate.  Unfounded accusations will tell me you are not serious and I will simply ignore you. 


No worries either way bud. 

[Southpaw1982]

I went to college, and no I didn't pay for her college, she went to school after our divorce and got herself deep into school loan debt because of it.  Sucks she didn't even utilize her fancy medical assisting degree (not really sure what that's good for anyway, other than scheduling appointments at a doctors office).

You are a bully and a troll. You attack me and my husband that is not even on here to defend himself while he is helping you with our son. My relationship with you was over when I was pregnant. I am clearly out of your league ( ballerina vs.  a trailer grown creature from Lamar, PA)  and my Medical Assisting degree is not my final destination. I have many more goals than that. MA degree is only a step ahead from the life that you were providing. I am paying off my student loans just fine, you know very little about my new life and quit stalking me on VK, please. You no longer will be able to screw me over! The End.

If anyone has any questions, please send me a personal message. I do realize I will never be able to change this guy, I think I covered everything that needed to be mentioned regarding my son's safety, Alina's safety and her kid's. If shit hits the fan and my son, Alina or Maria gets either hurt or sexually exploited, you will all have the source of enough info to help the situation. In mean time, he will continue to sugarcoat his presence and BS people online. 
I have a deep gratitude for making out of this hell in one peace. Thank you for your attention and I apologies if it caused some disturbance on here. But I felt like I had to speak up and not be afraid. 

P.S. So predictable...Of course he has to say something nasty to have the last word... LOL, Joker...

[Muzh]

Muzh, I am all for discussion and debate.  If you want to pull statements out of context then the discussion is over for me.  If you want to make statements about me like having to subdue women then the discussion is over for me.


It's up to you whether you want to engage me in further debate.  Unfounded accusations will tell me you are not serious and I will simply ignore you. 


No worries either way bud.

You know what? You get really testy when you don't like the answers.
 
It's all right, it's okay
We still love you anyway.

[jmana]

You are bully and a troll. You attack me and my husband that is not even on here to defend himself while he is helping you with our son. My relationship with you was over when I was pregnant. I am clearly out of your league ( ballerina and a trailer grown creature from Lamar, PA)  and my Medical Assisting degree is not my final destination. I have many more goals than that. MA degree is only a step ahead from the life that you were providing. I am paying off my student loans just fine, you know very little about my new life and quit stalking me on VK, please.

Stalking you on VK?  I didn't even know you were on VK.  Whatever ballerina/stripper girl.  You are soooo out of my league, haha!!  That's your problem, you think you are so great, but you are just usual.  Good luck with your goals. 

[Daveman]

You know what? You get really testy when you don't like the answers.
 

Muzh, what were the answers?  That LFU is a porn buddy with Jmana?  Because he doesn't believe her story and jump on the bandwagon?

Hell, I don't believe her story either.  Nor do I believe Jmana.  I'm sure there are fragments of truth/reality blended with exaggerations, imagination stretches, or outright deception as is usually the case in situations such as these.  Every continued aspect of this saga dives further into the realm of a Jerry Springer trailer trash bonanza with both of them pulling new and improved, not to mention Reality TV Ready, accusations and denials to toss into the mix.

They're both a little off.  They're both "victims" as they tell it.  Both had an opportunity to take the higher road in this thread and neither did.  Everything is the other's fault.  Both have shown their decision making process to be flawed.  Both have shown a skirting of responsibility and denial of any "blame" - except, of course, for making the mistake of marrying the other.

It seems, from their own words in this exchange, that both were neither mature enough nor ready for the responsibilities of marriage.  Both needed/need to work on improving themselves and that begins with recognizing and taking responsibility for the consequences of their own bad decisions and actions.  Neither appear willing to do that because - "It wasn't me, it was HER"; "NO it wasn't me, it was HIM".

[mies]

Given how little (clearly) jmana knows about small children - judging by his surprised reaction to the behavior of a 4yo girl, I can't help but wondering where was he all the time while his own son was growing up.

What he writes on the first 10 pages of this thread is OK for a 38yo man who never lived with children. But a 38yo who has a 12yo BOY?

[Hammer2722]

Muzh, what were the answers?  That LFU is a porn buddy with Jmana?  Because he doesn't believe her story and jump on the bandwagon?

Hell, I don't believe her story either.  Nor do I believe Jmana.  I'm sure there are fragments of truth/reality blended with exaggerations, imagination stretches, or outright deception as is usually the case in situations such as these.  Every continued aspect of this saga dives further into the realm of a Jerry Springer trailer trash bonanza with both of them pulling new and improved, not to mention Reality TV Ready, accusations and denials to toss into the mix.

They're both a little off.  They're both "victims" as they tell it.  Both had an opportunity to take the higher road in this thread and neither did.  Everything is the other's fault.  Both have shown their decision making process to be flawed.  Both have shown a skirting of responsibility and denial of any "blame" - except, of course, for making the mistake of marrying the other.

It seems, from their own words in this exchange, that both were neither mature enough nor ready for the responsibilities of marriage.  Both needed/need to work on improving themselves and that begins with recognizing and taking responsibility for the consequences of their own bad decisions and actions.  Neither appear willing to do that because - "It wasn't me, it was HER"; "NO it wasn't me, it was HIM".

 
 

[Southpaw1982]

Muzh, what were the answers?  That LFU is a porn buddy with Jmana?  Because he doesn't believe her story and jump on the bandwagon?

Hell, I don't believe her story either.  Nor do I believe Jmana.  I'm sure there are fragments of truth/reality blended with exaggerations, imagination stretches, or outright deception as is usually the case in situations such as these.  Every continued aspect of this saga dives further into the realm of a Jerry Springer trailer trash bonanza with both of them pulling new and improved, not to mention Reality TV Ready, accusations and denials to toss into the mix.

They're both a little off.  They're both "victims" as they tell it.  Both had an opportunity to take the higher road in this thread and neither did.  Everything is the other's fault.  Both have shown their decision making process to be flawed.  Both have shown a skirting of responsibility and denial of any "blame" - except, of course, for making the mistake of marrying the other.

It seems, from their own words in this exchange, that both were neither mature enough nor ready for the responsibilities of marriage.  Both needed/need to work on improving themselves and that begins with recognizing and taking responsibility for the consequences of their own bad decisions and actions.  Neither appear willing to do that because - "It wasn't me, it was HER"; "NO it wasn't me, it was HIM".

Daveman,
He admitted he was in jail, on probation, watched porn and smoked pot- he is an angel... I was forced to get a job as a dancer  ( because he always made me feel bad about living for free and not making enough at JCPenney) - I am evil. Screw off about responsibility of a marriage at 18. I did not ask him to marry me!!! I certainly did not want kids with HIM either. Barely made of this crap alive and nobody believes me. F people like that, I was surrounded by jerks like that back when I was trying to escape from this freak...Looking for help anywhere I could find help.  Bunch of judges, and no compassion and no consideration while he comfortably sat and jacked off in front of his PC...

[Muzh]

Muzh, what were the answers?  That LFU is a porn buddy with Jmana?  Because he doesn't believe her story and jump on the bandwagon?

No, not that. He doesn't have to jump on any wagon.
 
I was referring to how to stop my wife from being a stripper and other stuff that I would have to force my will on her.

[jmana]

Daveman,
He admitted he was in jail, on probation, watched porn and smoked pot- he is an angel... I was forced to get a job as a dancer  ( because he always made me feel bad about living for free and not making enough at JCPenney) - I am evil. Screw off about responsibility of a marriage at 18. I did not ask him to marry me!!! I certainly did not want kids with HIM either. Barely made of this crap alive and nobody believes me. F people like that, I was surrounded by jerks like that back when I was trying to escape from this freak...Looking for help anywhere I could find help.  Bunch of judges, and no compassion and no consideration while he comfortably sat and jacked off in front of his PC...

Bunch of judges...it was one judge, and she told you to take responsibility for your son and quit whining.  Yeah, all I did was sit and jack off, yep that's all I did

[Daveman]

Daveman,
He admitted he was in jail, on probation, watched porn and smoked pot- he is an angel...

Right there is an example of an emotionally charged distortion.  Neither I, nor anyone else, has stated Jmana's an angel. Quite the opposite actually. 

I was forced to get a job as a dancer  ( because he always made me feel bad about me living for free and not having any money) - I am evil.

Neither I, nor anyone else, has stated you are evil.