Women with Children - more strongly worded advice

[LiveFromUkraine]

Oh I do have emails where you called people Ni__ers, and Fa__ots, and lots of other racist and bigoted names, but out of respect for your privacy I won't post them here, unless you want me to?

Man, if you respected her privacy, you wouldn't have brought her up at all.

[Daveman]

Also, what was that story the SP was telling about you giving your son your old phone with undeleted search history containing some porn, and you start telling that this was a used phone and someone must have browsed those sites before you? You do know that you sound as a lying child, don't you?
That excuse would be OK for a child, but for a 38 yo man? Come on. Have some respect for our eyes (reading this) and ears (listening to it).

Yeah, that one scored a rating of 'WTF?' on ye ole "goOOooOOod lord" meter.

Even moreso than the porn links, I'd be concerned about handing over a phone which had my son's mother listed as "Bitch" - for his sake.

[Southpaw1982]

Don't you know?
 
You are a sassy little thang. Stop that and know your place. Bow down to the man.
 
Eh, what the hell. You are a woman. So it really doesn't matter what you do. 

LMAO! I am very sassy, super-super sassy...Insecure jerk would be very on the defense with me and I intimidate men a lot, especially the ones who step on my toes.... and I am not covering it up. lol I say it how it is, what gives me confidence is the fact I take responsibility for my words by having a prof of everything I say. Anybody wants to say something, they better back it up, otherwise, none of you will be taken seriously, ever. Just for a future reference.

[mies]

Manipulation of law enforcement?  What, showing this lady that the person who made the call was a lying racist?  Come on.  She calls black people ni__ers in front of my kid.  I had more reason to be calling child services than the other way around!

It clearly is a manipulation. You picked the evidence to stir the emotional response in the law enforcement officer to get her emotional side decide rather than rational. You used this to get off the hook, it worked, and now you are bragging about it.

African American call each other n-ers, "black" btw is almost as offensive as the N word, I was told.


You are the one who brought this dirty laundry into this thread. You told lies about your ex wife while she wasn't here to defend herself, and misrepresented yourself. When she came here - she acted civil and spoke nicely of you and said that you both are nice people and the marriage just didn't work out, and that it's water under the bridge.
But since you have anger management issues, and you clearly cannot digest the fact that your ex wife escaped from you and made something of her life, you started pouring the dirt on her.
Since I skimmed through your posts in this thread this morning, all in once, I was able to clearly see the development of this "dialogue".

So please, stop bullying your ex wife, stop lying, and stop the dirt-throwing match.

The people who sympathize with you - are already on your side. The people who know you are a liar and a bad person - will not think better of you, no matter how much you post.

I honestly believe that your wife, as soon as she will be strong enough for that, should take away the son from you. Because you are a bad impact on your son.

I also think that strangely enough Alina may be a good fit for you. You both seem somewhat emotionally unavailable and "abnormal." So perhaps it's a natural fit.

[Southpaw1982]

Man, if you respected her privacy, you wouldn't have brought her up at all.

Exactly! I had no idea he was trashing me on here for years.

[CanadaMan]

There's been far too many posts in this thread the past day or so to keep up with.
Can someone please write a synopsis of the salient parts for me? 

[jmana]

It clearly is a manipulation. You picked the evidence to stir the emotional response in the law enforcement officer to get her emotional side decide rather than rational. You used this to get off the hook, it worked, and now you are bragging about it.

African American call each other n-ers, "black" btw is almost as offensive as the N word, I was told.


You are the one who brought this dirty laundry into this thread. You told lies about your ex wife while she wasn't here to defend herself, and misrepresented yourself. When she came here - she acted civil and spoke nicely of you and said that you both are nice people and the marriage just didn't work out, and that it's water under the bridge.
But since you have anger management issues, and you clearly cannot digest the fact that your ex wife escaped from you and made something of her life, you started pouring the dirt on her.
Since I skimmed through your posts in this thread this morning, all in once, I was able to clearly see the development of this "dialogue".

So please, stop bullying your ex wife, stop lying, and stop the dirt-throwing match.

The people who sympathize with you - are already on your side. The people who know you are a liar and a bad person - will not think better of you, no matter how much you post.

I honestly believe that your wife, as soon as she will be strong enough for that, should take away the son from you. Because you are a bad impact on your son.

I also think that strangely enough Alina may be a good fit for you. You both seem somewhat emotionally unavailable and "abnormal." So perhaps it's a natural fit.

The only thing I said about her is she doesn't have a personality (which is true, goes along with having zero sense of humor), she's the one who had to go apecrap and start dredging up the past and spreading lies.  Why, I don't know.  She does this every so often.  She's like a pimple on my butt cheek that just has to show up and cause a lot of pain every so often. 

[Southpaw1982]

The people who sympathize with you - are already on your side. The people who know you are a liar and a bad person - will not think better of you, no matter how much you post.

I feel bad for those people who sympathize him...They are the victims and brainwashed...and perhaps, have same issues...

[Southpaw1982]

The only thing I said about her is she doesn't have a personality (which is true, goes along with having zero sense of humor), she's the one who had to go apecrap and start dredging up the past and spreading lies.  Why, I don't know.  She does this every so often.  She's like a pimple on my butt cheek that just has to show up and cause a lot of pain every so often.

The go away...wtf are you trying to do? Lies...what lies? That you never watched porn?

[Hammer2722]

There's been far too many posts in this thread the past day or so to keep up with.
Can someone please write a synopsis of the salient parts for me? 

If you've seen a Jerry Springer show..... enough said 

[BillyB]

However, for a 12 year old boy to sneak and look at pictures of naked women at 12 years old sure was pretty normal when I was 12.  I guess I was lucky as I had a girl my own age in the neighborhood with whom to play "doctor".  I can't think of a single friend who didn't have an older brother's hand me down Playboy or something.  Of course, we didn't have the wide variety of some truly over the top bizarre options when we were 12 as are available on the NET today.

Alrighty then, confession time! Maybe each one of us guys can tell our stories and take some of the attention off jmana and southpaw?


In the late 70's I didn't have access to internet but I did have access to other people's garbage. One day a friend of mine had a idea to look through other people's garbage at the dumpster. I was about 9 years old when I found my first Playboy. I then learned the meaning of "One man's garbage is another man's treasure." My treasure hunting days became more frequent.


What I saw in Playboy was very interesting and I knew I could not part with them but how was I to get them home undetected? I got a pair of scissors and cut out the naked women and discarded the parts of the magazine I didn't like such as the advertisements and jokes.


One day I came home and notice my room was clean. My mom cleaned it! I was worried because my box of pictures was moved by my mother's hands and I was for certain she opened the box to look inside. I expected the worst but no punishment ever came. Years later, as an adult my mom told me a story of the day she cleaned my room and found the nude pictures. Out of concern, that same day she brought the issue up to my father and my father's response was "At least he isn't gay."  My mom stayed quiet and allowed me to keep those pictures appreciating the fact I'm on the right path.


When I was in the Army, fellow soldiers in the barracks would rent movies called "Faces of Death" which later became illegal. We wanted to see what we can stomach and learn how tough we were. In those movies we seen lots of death. People getting their limbs and head chopped off, people getting eaten by animals and eaten by other people who were devil worshippers. There's too much crazy stuff in those movies to list here.


I'm surprised to learn some guys here have not attempted to see a naked woman before reaching adulthood and marriage.

[jmana]

Alrighty then, confession time! Maybe each one of us guys can tell our stories and take some of the attention off jmana and southpaw?


In the late 70's I didn't have access to internet but I did have access to other people's garbage. One day a friend of mine had a idea to look through other people's garbage at the dumpster. I was about 9 years old when I found my first Playboy. I then learned the meaning of "One man's garbage is another man's treasure." My treasure hunting days became more frequent.


What I saw in Playboy was very interesting and I knew I could not part with them but how was I to get them home undetected? I got a pair of scissors and cut out the naked women and discarded the parts of the magazine I didn't like such as the advertisements and jokes.


One day I came home and notice my room was clean. My mom cleaned it! I was worried because my box of pictures was moved by my mother's hands and I was for certain she opened the box to look inside. I expected the worst but no punishment ever came. Years later, as an adult my mom told me a story of the day she cleaned my room and found the nude pictures. Out of concern, that same day she brought the issue up to my father and my father's response was "At least he isn't gay."  My mom stayed quiet and allowed me to keep those pictures appreciating the fact I'm on the right path.


When I was in the Army, fellow soldiers in the barracks would rent movies called "Faces of Death" which later became illegal. We wanted to see what we can stomach and learn how tough we were. In those movies we seen lots of death. People getting their limbs and head chopped off, people getting eaten by animals and eaten by other people who were devil worshippers. There's too much crazy stuff in those movies to list here.


I'm surprised to learn some guys here have not attempted to see a naked woman before reaching adulthood and marriage.

Love your dad's response!

[vwrw]

Oh my...reading stories like this, I realize that marrying a foreigner is a scary thing. Person may get her/himself  into a really bad situation.


Mies, wow! You do not stop amazing me...who would think that the great intelligence you demonstrate may come with so attractive look!

[GQBlues]

So now it is legal it is ok?  hah ..

Not applicable to their situation.

...Talk about extreme examples.  You saying he was watching porn with illegal minors?...

He already admitted to them being minors. He even boasted having sex with girls the age of 17. It's obvious you're debating from the uninformed POV. A devil's advocate M.O.

..She should have worked somewhere else.  That is what I have been saying all along.  I take it you are all for that girl from Duke who got into porn to pay for college as well?...

Yes, she could've sold girl scouts cookies.

As for the gal from Duke. You just proved my point. If a native born citizen to this country saw only prostitution as her only way out, why is it hard for you to believe that a gal removed 4 years from her own country with no relatives or support system would resort to doing something (stripping) far less worst than what they Duke gal did (prostitution)?

..Nope, I am calling out your post stating that questionable decisions are ok if they are to further your education and better yourself....

Quote me where I stated it's OK. Take you time.

...Stripping and working in that environment isn't about bettering yourself....

I don't have a need to repeat what I already said upthread. If you have reading comprehension issue then I can't help you.

... In fact, that type of environment tends o get girls screwed up into many other bad things like drugs and prostitution....

Yup...but how does this apply to SP considering she already got her education, are working, paying child support, and had long since departed from stripping to make a living? You're stuck on first gear, LIU.

...You made it sound like she had no other options which would be bs....

Reading comprehension difficulty here. Lather, rinse, repeat.

...If it was all about bettering yourself and getting an education, there were better way to doing it.  I don't really know how many times I have to say it.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Not applicable to their situation.

Ha I expected that response. 

Not applicable to their situation.

He already admitted to them being minors. He even boasted having sex with girls the age of 17. It's obvious you're debating from the uninformed POV. A devil's advocate M.O.

Was having sex with a girl of that age illegal?  I am awaiting your informed statement.

Yes, she could've sold girl scouts cookies.

Wow, an extreme example.  I expected more from you. 

As for the gal from Duke. You just proved my point. If a native born citizen to this country saw only prostitution as her only way out, why is it hard for you to believe that a gal removed 4 years from her own country with no relatives or support system would resort to doing something (stripping) far less worst than what they Duke gal did (prostitution)?

Yes, because she got into porn to pay for her college.  Doubtful, more than likely she has something wrong upstairs and using the college thing as an excuse.  If you think a woman can do something like that for college and be ok mentally then you are seriously ignorant.

[GQBlues]

Ha I expected that response. 


Was having sex with a girl of that age illegal?  I am awaiting your informed statement.



Wow, an extreme example.  I expected more from you. 



Yes, because she got into porn to pay for her college.  Doubtful, more than likely she has something wrong upstairs and using the college thing as an excuse.  If you think a woman can do something like that for college and be ok mentally then you are seriously ignorant.

All above arguments non-sequitur. You are desperately splitting hairs.

[Slumba]

As for the gal from Duke. You just proved my point. If a native born citizen to this country saw only prostitution as her only way out, why is it hard for you to believe that a gal removed 4 years from her own country with no relatives or support system would resort to doing something (stripping) far less worst than what they Duke gal did (prostitution)?

If you are referring to Miriam Weeks , alias Belle Knox, her own words convict her as to her inanity and likely mental instability... you are not doing southpaw any favors by comparing southpaw's case to Miriam:

So why Duke, of all places? Why didn't you choose a less costly institution?

I was offered scholarships at a lot of places. I was offered full tuition at Vanderbilt, for example, and was accepted into USC, Wellesley, Barnard, Pepperdine, some others. But I visited Duke last year on Blue Devil Days [Duke's programmed weekend for admitted freshmen], and I remember walking into the Duke Chapel -- I'm a very spiritual person -- and just feeling an energy that told me, "This is the place you need to be." And I felt something in the chapel in that moment that told me that I needed to be here and go to Duke and it was something that would be an amazing experience for me.[/i]

from the interview when she was hiding her identity as "Lauren" here : http://www.realcleareducation.com/articles/2014/02/25/blue_devil_the_duke_porn_star_and_college_costs_885.html

Further, it is a useless example, since she had a full ride scholarship to Vanderbilt but declined it and went to Duke instead.

So the cases are in no way similar. 

BTW Miriam's father is a physician in the USAF:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2577362/EXCLUSIVE-Welcome-home-daddy-Im-porn-star-Heartbroken-devout-Catholic-Army-doctor-returns-Afghanistan-beloved-daughter-Duke-student-starring-X-rated-films.html

[LiveFromUkraine]

All above arguments non-sequitur. You are desperately splitting hairs.

Basically you can't back up your statements and the only come back is to deem things non applicable and non-sequitur.


Next will be your ugly and fat.   

[GQBlues]

Basically you can't back up your statements and the only come back is to deem things non applicable and non-sequitur.


Next will be your ugly and fat.   

non se-qui-tur (noun):
1.  a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.

 

[LiveFromUkraine]

non se-qui-tur (noun):
1.  a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.

 

Ah it isn't logical to ask you for facts when you accuse someone of breaking the law?


Saying the Duke girl proves your point when in fact it proved mine and stating why is not following the previous argument?

So how anyone got there matters very little as long as they actually reached where they wanted to go. Educate themselves and get their career. You can think very little of that, so what, jmana thinks so, too.

Yeah, the journey matters as much as the destination.   This has been what I have been talking about.  You brought up the minors, the whacking off while she stripped and how the people whacked off to his wife, the kiddy porn...


Maybe if we didn't get so creative with the storytelling, we would be able to follow the dialog a little better.

[jmana]

He already admitted to them being minors. He even boasted having sex with girls the age of 17.

WHAT??  Where the hell did I EVER write that??

[LAman]

LMAO! I am very sassy, super-super sassy...Insecure jerk would be very on the defense with me and I intimidate men a lot, especially the ones who step on my toes.... and I am not covering it up. lol I say it how it is, what gives me confidence is the fact I take responsibility for my words by having a prof of everything I say. Anybody wants to say something, they better back it up, otherwise, none of you will be taken seriously, ever. Just for a future reference.

I like this women!!! No beating around the bush!!!!

[LAman]

May I kindly ask the moderators to close this thread for a couple days......... or else I will never be able to catch up!!!!

I think I am stuck somewhere in the 30's!!!

[Gator]

There's been far too many posts in this thread the past day or so to keep up with.
Can someone please write a synopsis of the salient parts for me? 

My summation:


Before Southpaw first appeared, jmana said little about her in this thread.  I recall him explaining he had custody of their son because she wanted to be a model rather than a mother.  Southpaw made her first RWD post to correct jmana's statement, saying she wanted to obtain an education and could not do that while being a mother to a very young boy.  She also explained that she is doing well today, yet the journey was a very difficult one.

 
Their interaction seemed mild at first, and Southpaw even wrote  "...btw maybe 60% of what he says roughly true about me...."  Then she made some accusations:  teen porn, suppression of her goals, her paying $500 child support, ... all of which jmana partially admitted to or did not deny. 
 
Then came more  accusations,  from both jmana and Southpaw.   Some of it either distorted or misunderstood IMO yet most of it reflecting penned up hostilities.  Plenty of denials and accusations, but no platitudes. 

In a flash the dialogue had escalated into a contentious replay of their life together.  It was a mud throwing contest with  both getting muddied IMO.  Perhaps the two of them have done this before and are able to get over it, at least to the point of being able to communicate about raising their son.  I will not comment about the specific accusations because both jmana and Southpaw seem culpable. 

Along the way there were some side shows, one featuring those who place RW on a pedestal (as evidenced by their RWD posts over the years) having a reality check debate with one or two who saw it differently.   The former would probably argue that they do not place RW on a pedestal but are convinced that the majority of men who pursue RW are scum, and hold up jmana as a prime example.  Actually, I found the side show a good debate. 

[Gator]

 
I suggest you go back to the courts and give them your evidence.   As far as I know, there is nothing stopping you from taking matters into your own hands right now regardless if there was a custody case or not.

 

She already tried, they came to the house and there was nothing to be found. 

This point was largely ignored, yet I consider it huge.  Child services take their job very seriously and would follow up if there were some evidence of improper parenting.

I have a few  serious questions for jmana and Southpaw.  How is your son doing in life?  How are his grades in school?  What do his teachers say about him?   Does he have plenty of friends?  What are his hobbies?  Does he get into trouble?  How is he interacting with Alina's daughter? 

This to me is a real litmus test of whether jmana is a responsible father and whether Southpaw is making a mother's impression in her reduced yet valuable time with her son.  It also is where the two of you need to focus your energy.