Russian Speaking Women's Forums-What Do They Say?

[JayH]

What is the general attitude and advice given or discussed about "western men?
What is view of 'green card" aspirants--or equivalent in the Eu?  Is that really still an issue?
What is the attitude to economic "enhancement"?
Add in about 100 more questions and I am sure my question theme is understood!!

 

[die_cast]

What is the general attitude and advice given or discussed about "western men?

Jay, you are a big boy already, you should understand there is no "general attitute", every case is personal. 

Is that really still an issue?

Sure it is.

[JayH]

Jay, you are a big boy already, you should understand there is no "general attitute", every case is personal.  ;DSure it is.

Can I say it this way-- what attitudes are being expressed? What is "advice" being given?

I started thinking about all this in the context of another  hot current thread  eg   a guy hooks up and does "importation"  in  a no sex barely platonic relationship-- what is motivating all that?

[die_cast]

Do you mean advices for those who just want to move to another country like "a stuffed animal"? 

[alex330]

My wife was horrified by most of the women on those forums.

[die_cast]

My wife was horrified by most of the women on those forums.

My only idea - she chose wrong forums.  Not all of them are similar to Antidate.

[alex330]

My only idea - she chose wrong forums.  Not all of them are similar to Antidate.

Yes, I am sure there are some good and some bad like many things in life. She probably visited the wrong ones like you mention.

[jone]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, if she had read some of the stuff on Anti Date she might have wound up with someone good ..... like me, instead of the slugbreath from Miami.

[alex330]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, if she had read some of the stuff on Anti Date she might have wound up with someone good ..... like me, instead of the slugbreath from Miami.

bwahahhaahhhahaahha

[Lily]

Women of different levels visit different kinds of Russian language fora. Almost all these fora touch the subject of a moving to the West in a certain degree. Perhaps because the Russians abroad are almost all eager Internet users.

[Faux Pas]

My wife is a member at a couple of RW forums. AFAIK, she posts very little and hardly ever discusses what's on them. Once in a blue moon she might ask my opinion on something from them but, not often. They're in Cyrillic so I don't even bother but, I assume it's much like this one

[Carolyn]

What is the general attitude and advice given or discussed about "western men?
What is view of 'green card" aspirants--or equivalent in the Eu?  Is that really still an issue?
What is the attitude to economic "enhancement"?
Add in about 100 more questions and I am sure my question theme is understood!!

 

I'd say that general attitude is friendly and adequate, very similar to this forum. Tips given about men  depend on a situation, of course, there's a set of so-called Red Flags, but many happily married women write that their relationships would never have started if they followed all the recommended rules

Green-card might be an issue for some, for the others - not, as it always has been I guess. But, if my memory serves me right, this topic is touched upon very rarely nowdays (at least on Antidate).

What do you mean by economic "enhancement"? Material support for RW from WM?

[Muzh]

I'd say that general attitude is friendly and adequate, very similar to this forum. Tips given about men  depend on a situation, of course, there's a set of so-called Red Flags, but many happily married women write that their relationships would never have started if they followed all the recommended rules

Green-card might be an issue for some, for the others - not, as it always has been I guess. But, if my memory serves me right, this topic is touched upon very rarely nowdays (at least on Antidate).

What do you mean by economic "enhancement"? Material support for RW from WM?

He means at what time in their relationship do a Russian woman rips his assets through his testicles.

[JayH]

I'd say that general attitude is friendly and adequate, very similar to this forum. Tips given about men  depend on a situation, of course, there's a set of so-called Red Flags, but many happily married women write that their relationships would never have started if they followed all the recommended rules

Green-card might be an issue for some, for the others - not, as it always has been I guess. But, if my memory serves me right, this topic is touched upon very rarely nowdays (at least on Antidate).

What do you mean by economic "enhancement"? Material support for RW from WM?

I started thread in context of a thread here where girl& child had arrived in US after the sparsest amount of contact and interaction possible-- I emphasize that I am making no judgement of that specific case-- many posters  did that-- and in summary-- basically accused girl of having other motive(other than that guy) for being in US. It started me wondering what women's forums said about that topic-- and where/how a girl might get a blueprint of a course of action. Are they giving specific advice about how to gain money and material things via relationships? Is it a topic that comes up frequently? Is  a cynical view being taken of western guys?

[Carolyn]

He means at what time in their relationship do a Russian woman rips his assets through his testicles.

Hope yours are still in place, both financial assets and those more tangible ones

I started thread in context of a thread here where girl& child had arrived in US after the sparsest amount of contact and interaction possible-- I emphasize that I am making no judgement of that specific case-- many posters  did that-- and in summary-- basically accused girl of having other motive(other than that guy) for being in US. It started me wondering what women's forums said about that topic-- and where/how a girl might get a blueprint of a course of action. Are they giving specific advice about how to gain money and material things via relationships? Is it a topic that comes up frequently? Is  a cynical view being taken of western guys?

Being a member of many Russian boards, never ever have I encountered something like that.

[pokerintherear]

Being a member of many Russian boards, never ever have I encountered something like that.

Doing a little research you find threads about imagined "abuse" once a week. This is the indirect way to the financial gain of immigrating to the US.

[Doll]

Doing a little research you find threads about imagined "abuse" once a week. This is the indirect way to the financial gain of immigrating to the US.

How can you "financially gain" from abuse?
Directly or not.

[Carolyn]

Doing a little research you find threads about imagined "abuse" once a week. This is the indirect way to the financial gain of immigrating to the US.

Once a week Well, you are stretching it, not that often, once in a while stories of abuse are discussed on a board for women who are already married abroad, but the abused women or the allegedly abused come and ask questions not about what they could gain financially if their abuse case would be solved positively to them, but they are usually more concerned about what the future of their children would be(if there are any), if they could be granted a sole custody,etc. Those, who are on a conditional status abroad, want to know if they could stay there. Nothing criminal, no discussions who to rip a husband off, not so many women are married to millionaires, you know

Much more often women write that their husbands cannot provide for their children and them, so that they have to work low-paid jobs and study to get a degree at the same time, ask other women's opinions who have gone through that how to survive this period, how not to get asleep during lectures, how to pass certification exams, etc.

[pokerintherear]

Much more often women write that their husbands cannot provide for their children and them

Ok, I exaggerated maybe 1 time every 2 weeks.

Please explain how the situation above came to be. How does this story happen? Maybe man lied about financial situation? 

[Muzh]

Hope yours are still in place, both financial assets and those more tangible ones

Being a member of many Russian boards, never ever have I encountered something like that.

Oh mine are safe and sound. 
 
Eventually you'll figure out why I made the statement. Let's say part of the answer to my riddle is your second sentence above.

[Carolyn]

Ok, I exaggerated maybe 1 time every 2 weeks.

Please explain how the situation above came to be. How does this story happen? Maybe man lied about financial situation?

There are many cases, every one is individual. For instance, a young family, everything is perfect, everyone is happy, a wife has started to attend ESL courses to further obtain a degree in a sought-after field. Then two babies come one after another and the parents realize that life has become more expensive. The wife couldn't finish her education because she'd been busy delivering children and taking care of the toddlers(a very important period in a child's growth). The result is known. The husband couldn't find a better-paid job so she started waiting tables(what else could she find without authentic U.S. education?)

Another example. The husband suddenly loses his job and is unable to find the other one, says job market is bad, etc, goes on the dole. The result is the same.

You see, life of a Russian woman can be tough not only in Siberia.

[Carolyn]

Oh mine are safe and sound. 

Great to hear that! So, I conclude it should take more than 10 years then

[Muzh]

Once a week Well, you are stretching it, not that often, once in a while stories of abuse are discussed on a board for women who are already married abroad, but the abused women or the allegedly abused come and ask questions not about what they could gain financially if their abuse case would be solved positively to them, but they are usually more concerned about what the future of their children would be(if there are any), if they could be granted a sole custody,etc. Those, who are on a conditional status abroad, want to know if they could stay there. Nothing criminal, no discussions who to rip a husband off, not so many women are married to millionaires, you know
 

I'll be serious in my response.
 
What you have is something along the lines "He said, She said" argument. Actually, more along the "He thought, She thought" lines.
 
Please understand that many guys claim they are looking for a soulmate when they go to the former Soyuz chasing young hotties. You might say "what a fool" for looking for trouble but they are not fools at all. You'll find many who are inquiring how to protect their "assets" when they marry such a hottie. Now, why would that be IF you are searching for your "soulmate," right?
 
It's the bottom line. Like in any other business transaction.
 
The old man offers financial stability while the woman offers her young body in this type of transaction. You may call it a win-win situation. The old man gets a hot babe, something he would never be able to achieve at home, and the babe gets the resources to do what she wants but almost impossible to do at home. That would be the best case scenario.
 
However, not everything turns out to be honky-dory. Either party can and will mis-represent themselves to the other and what could have been a merger made in heaven turns out to be a toxic investment.
 

Much more often women write that their husbands cannot provide for their children and them, so that they have to work low-paid jobs and study to get a degree at the same time, ask other women's opinions who have gone through that how to survive this period, how not to get asleep during lectures, how to pass certification exams, etc.

That is one classic form of mis-representation. They guy claimed he was floating in money and when she got here, it turns out he was fibbing quite a bit.
 
Now, you'll also hear stories along the lines of the woman, once settled here, will bring her boyfriend from the motherland OR meeting a better suited companion once she meets friends here. What happens after that is not pleasant. These stories you'll read in the guys forums.

[Muzh]

Great to hear that! So, I conclude it should take more than 10 years then

Well, I'm not sure but we are going on our 14th and I'm retiring. She returned to work in the medical field and making lots of dough. So, I believe she would prefer to pamper the family jewels instead of ripping them.

[Carolyn]

I'll be serious in my response.
 
What you have is something along the lines "He said, She said" argument. Actually, more along the "He thought, She thought" lines.
 
Please understand that many guys claim they are looking for a soulmate when they go to the former Soyuz chasing young hotties. You might say "what a fool" for looking for trouble but they are not fools at all. You'll find many who are inquiring how to protect their "assets" when they marry such a hottie. Now, why would that be IF you are searching for your "soulmate," right?
 
It's the bottom line. Like in any other business transaction.
 
The old man offers financial stability while the woman offers her young body in this type of transaction. You may call it a win-win situation. The old man gets a hot babe, something he would never be able to achieve at home, and the babe gets the resources to do what she wants but almost impossible to do at home. That would be the best case scenario.
 
However, not everything turns out to be honky-dory. Either party can and will mis-represent themselves to the other and what could have been a merger made in heaven turns out to be a toxic investment.

But why are you talking only about one type of relationships, the one between older men and younger girls? Yes, it exists, but it's not the only one, there are a great number of marriages between equal (in age or life accomplishments) partners. And not everyone thinks of a marriage in business terms, or am I too old-fashioned here?

Well, I'm not sure but we are going on our 14th and I'm retiring. She returned to work in the medical field and making lots of dough. So, I believe she would prefer to pamper the family jewels instead of ripping them.

Referring to your situation I just wanted to show that not every woman in a RW-WM relationships is for the money, some are for the men.