How Important is Height to Eastern European Women?

[Jumper]

Someone here mentioned that (maybe in a study or a poll, can't remember which) most of the FSU girls would love to marry a man closer to their age, but that doesn't stop the older generation of Western men flooding the FSU for these honeys.

MUzh great point,
and guilty as charged..and I'm short as well.
 


to the OP-
 as a generality women everywhere are basically the same as far as what they are attracted to.As Lily mentioned, its hardly a choice, a person finds another attractive ,or they do not.
There can be other factors ,but initial attraction is hardly a controlled response, it just is.

Ultimately , since at its root that is the same everywhere,why worry about it?

Russians have the expression there is a hat for every head.
Few hat stores cater to a specific size, and few cultures of women are going to be significantly different in this aspect than your own.

While it might come into play,I've never considered my height a real challenge in the  role of women  being interested in me.. , i've much tougher challenges ! Like just being me,(generally a turn off)
  If they get past that, I'm usually pretty set.


So if interested in FSU women, pursue them, your height isnt going to be any more of a factor than it ever was anywhere?
I wouldn't search there with the specific motivation it would be less of a factor.



 



 
 

[2tallbill]

I am about your height, 5'7 .

Hey Slumba, do you know how to determine what a man
with a full head of hair looks like?


He is a man who has at least 1 hair more than you do.


When I played College basketball the guy I guarded
was usually 1-4 inches taller than me. I was short
(but quick) tall / short is fairly relative.

[Slumba]

I came across this Reddit discussion on the subject (in the USA).

http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/1xpeku/height_matters_but_only_to_women_say_scientists/

which also mentions this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_attractiveness#Height_and_erect_posture

[Vinnvinny]

Someone here mentioned that (maybe in a study or a poll, can't remember which) most of the FSU girls would love to marry a man closer to their age, but that doesn't stop the older generation of Western men flooding the FSU for these honeys.

I guess most FSU women would also love to marry a man who has the personality of a saint, be incapable of infidelity, speaks the same language as her and lives across the street.

Sometimes a compromise between a ‘wish list’ and reality is found and maybe your better half is a good example of this? I doubt if it was a life long ambition of hers to leave her family, friends and career to go and live in the States, but that didn't stop her doing this when she met you. 

[Maverick47]

Yeah, that's seems strange - to witness someone throwing in the 'Slavic ladies' towel over such an inconsequential point in the grand scheme of things.  Absolutely nothing wrong with Asian ladies either, but it seems the problem lies closer to home.

Okay, I was little pissy when I wrote that. Sorry.

But, I'm a very successful guy at a young age. I'm a perfectionist and have a bit of an obsessive personality. And it absolutely KILLS me that I have such a physical flaw as this, to the extent that I actually seriously considered leg lengthening surgery, but ultimately decided it wasn't worth the pain and potential complications.

So, yes, I fully acknowledge that the problem lies within me as much as without.

[jone]

Do you have ten fingers and ten toes?  Does your nose smell and do your eyes see?  Then you were born without a flaw. 

Some people are never satisfied with who they are.  There is always someone taller, or smarter, or better looking.  I was reviewing, the other day, a picture of Henry Kissinger - brought out to meet Putin to try and ease tensions because of the idiot ambassador that the US originally sent over.  Now there is a guy who is not very good looking - and could care less.

Always play to your strong suit.  You only need one wonderful woman to see you for who you are to have a very  happy life.  Let other people worry about your (perceived) flaws.  You simply spend your life being happy.  It will all come to you in the end.

Could it be that the obsession over height is drawing you away from your true happiness?  Then, simply, get over it!  Once you have discarded this obsession, the right woman will more easily present herself.

[Maverick47]

1. The numbers game theory is exactly right: Write more girls

If I wanted to play the numbers game, I would just stay in the US. Why go to a foreign country and take such a huge risk in bringing a wife back, when it sounds like I'll get rejected way more than I do in the US?

2. Some girls won't care that you aren't tall especially 5' 6" you're not 4' 11"  for crying out loud.

Haha yeah. At least I have my health, right?

Again, it sounds like many will care.

3. Girls care more about confidence

It doesn't seem like it here, but I am pretty confident in real life (or, at least, I'm good at giving off the illusion of confidence).

4. Or you can go the Homer Simpson route (I think Marge is
taller than him especially when you count the hair)

To be honest, this is one of the reasons why I'm now considering Eastern European women. I find Asian girls more physically attractive and I tend to click with them better, but I don't want my kids to be short AND Asian.

I feel like that's setting them up for failure here in the US (no offense to any short Asian guys reading this).

[Maverick47]

MUzh great point,
and guilty as charged..and I'm short as well.
 


to the OP-
 as a generality women everywhere are basically the same as far as what they are attracted to.As Lily mentioned, its hardly a choice, a person finds another attractive ,or they do not.
There can be other factors ,but initial attraction is hardly a controlled response, it just is.

Ultimately , since at its root that is the same everywhere,why worry about it?

Russians have the expression there is a hat for every head.
Few hat stores cater to a specific size, and few cultures of women are going to be significantly different in this aspect than your own.

While it might come into play,I've never considered my height a real challenge in the  role of women  being interested in me.. , i've much tougher challenges ! Like just being me,(generally a turn off)
  If they get past that, I'm usually pretty set.


So if interested in FSU women, pursue them, your height isnt going to be any more of a factor than it ever was anywhere?
I wouldn't search there with the specific motivation it would be less of a factor.

I appreciate the advice, but, again, you're basically saying that I'll travel to the other side of the world and still have the same issues that I have in the US (possibly worse).

I'm a pretty stubborn guy and I like a good adventure. So I'll probably check it out for myself anyway. Still though, this thread is not encouraging, for the most part. LOL!

[Slumba]

I appreciate the advice, but, again, you're basically saying that I'll travel to the other side of the world and still have the same issues that I have in the US (possibly worse).

I'm a pretty stubborn guy and I like a good adventure. So I'll probably check it out for myself anyway. Still though, this thread is not encouraging, for the most part. LOL!

You can look for reasons why you will succeed, or you can look for reasons why you will fail...

However you can treat it more like an adventure, a "why not give it a shot" rather than approaching it as something of deathly importance... keep it light, smile, have good posture and act a little bit expansive, women will be at the least, interested in talking to a guy from another country ...

[Belvis]

I'm a pretty stubborn guy and I like a good adventure.

If you're a persistent man indeed as you have claimed you should not worry about your height.
Of course any woman would like Brad Pitt walking alongside, however а FSUW gives much more points for inner strength,  self-reliance, sense of humor and capability to be a  bread-winner.
As a russian proverb says: Любовь зла, полюбишь и козла (Love is evil, you may fall in love even with a donkey).

When my wife see me at first date she thought something like: Wow, should I spend any time with this short man with thin legs and bulky head? 

[ghost of moon goddess]

 Maverick, honestly, I, for one, don't find you short on height, but I smell a shortage of self-confidence in you and I do smell fear - the fear of being not accepted and loved. What is the source of that fear? Perhaps it is somewhat connected to your perfectionism ??? IMO, you should try to identify it and beat it down ASAP, as it(fear) seems to be guiding your thoughts and choices. Good luck!

[Noch1]

From what you have said, you really should spend the time sorting yourself out,
Before looking for anyone, anywhere. You need to learn and accept who you are.
You lack self confidence and this eats at you constantly. Until you sort it out,
All women are going to be an issue. Life really is to short.
Its not your height  thats the problem, its your head.

[Gator]

Maverick,

When you started this thread, I wrote a positive post to encourage you to give RW a try.  Others also encouraged you.

After reading your recent responses, I detect something that suggests you should not give RW a try.

My reason is not your height, but something  far more accursed.  Frankly, you seem to possess some personality traits that will not mesh well with RW.

1.  You seem too negative.  Although the posts in this thread encouraged you to try, you responded  "....this thread is not encouraging, for the most part."  Also, the obvious solution to your height concerns is to contact a large number of women.  You wrote, "If I wanted to play the numbers game, I would just stay in the US. Why go to a foreign country.....when it sounds like I'll get rejected way more than I do in the US?" 

Rejection is part of life.  Deal with it and recognize that each rejection is a learning experience.   

RW tend to be skeptical in general.  Although your negative attitude would not clash with RW, RW are particularly attracted to confident men.   RW refer to them as strong men.   A strong man is needed to thrive in a difficult environment such as the FSU.

Ghost of Moon Goddess is a positive, gentle soul, a true Russian flower.  She states your height is not a problem, yet she smelled something that would be.  Your lack of confidence would be a big turnoff to RW.   

2.  You seem too inflexible, even calling yourself stubborn.    First, RW are molded by a different culture and they will not always have the same mentality as you.  Second, RW in general have the reputation of being stubborn.  I see  the potential for much clashing between you and RW, with little bending.   Some determination is needed to pursue RW.  However, what you have would be incompatible IMO.


This is enough projection on my part, especially since I know so little about you.  I hope I am wrong.  Anyway, thanks for dropping by, and good luck.   
 

[Misha]

If I wanted to play the numbers game, I would just stay in the US. Why go to a foreign country and take such a huge risk in bringing a wife back, when it sounds like I'll get rejected way more than I do in the US?

Is there any man that has never been "rejected" by any woman at any time in his life? Again, the goal is not to please all women, but to find one woman that you will please. Can this be done? Yes. You seem to want to choose one woman and be guaranteed that she will fall madly in love with you. Life just does not work that way. As was said, it is a numbers game, but the game is easier to play in Russia as it is quite often the women who see themselves as competing for men.

To be honest, this is one of the reasons why I'm now considering Eastern European women. I find Asian girls more physically attractive and I tend to click with them better, but I don't want my kids to be short AND Asian.

Height is more than genetics. Diet plays an important role. The children and grandchildren of immigrants from China to North America will quite often be much taller than their parents and grandparents. All my uncles, for example, were much shorter than their children. They grew up in an era when one orange for Christmas was an exceptional gift so vitamins during the winter months were rarer and they had to do a lot of hard physical labor from a young age which certainly influenced their growth. My father was a bit of an exception as at 6 foot 1 he was quite the "giant" of his generation. However, my older brother was 5 foot 10, I am a hair shorter than 6 feet and my younger brother is 6 foot 2 or 6 foot 3.

[Faux Pas]

Maverick,

When you started this thread, I wrote a positive post to encourage you to give RW a try.  Others also encouraged you.

After reading your recent responses, I detect something that suggests you should not give RW a try.

My reason is not your height, but something  far more accursed.  Frankly, you seem to possess some personality traits that will not mesh well with RW.

1.  You seem too negative.  Although the posts in this thread encouraged you to try, you responded  "....this thread is not encouraging, for the most part."  Also, the obvious solution to your height concerns is to contact a large number of women.  You wrote, "If I wanted to play the numbers game, I would just stay in the US. Why go to a foreign country.....when it sounds like I'll get rejected way more than I do in the US?" 

Rejection is part of life.  Deal with it and recognize that each rejection is a learning experience.   

RW tend to be skeptical in general.  Although your negative attitude would not clash with RW, RW are particularly attracted to confident men.   RW refer to them as strong men.   A strong man is needed to thrive in a difficult environment such as the FSU.

Ghost of Moon Goddess is a positive, gentle soul, a true Russian flower.  She states your height is not a problem, yet she smelled something that would be.  Your lack of confidence would be a big turnoff to RW.   

2.  You seem too inflexible, even calling yourself stubborn.    First, RW are molded by a different culture and they will not always have the same mentality as you.  Second, RW in general have the reputation of being stubborn.  I see  the potential for much clashing between you and RW, with little bending.   Some determination is needed to pursue RW.  However, what you have would be incompatible IMO.


This is enough projection on my part, especially since I know so little about you.  I hope I am wrong.  Anyway, thanks for dropping by, and good luck.   
 

I too pick up on this vibe. Maverick strikes me as many passing these halls do. Seeking absolute perfection for minimal amount of effort of picking and choosing like buying aluminum siding in a Sears catalogue. Although he not not completely oblivious to some of his own shortcomings (no pun intended), his height is not one at all except in his own mind. So much so he worries about the height of children he does not have, yet.

Maverick, forget perfection. It does not exist. Not in you, not anyone you know now or will ever know. There is no woman that will ever be perfect for you. That's too much pressure to ever put on one woman or person. You come across as extremely superficial. You are not willing to accept perceived flaws in others that you yourself possess, lack of height. The exterior of a woman or person is also a plus but, it doesn't reflect what the person is. Maybe one day you'll come to realize this. Hopefully, one day you'll get past your monetary or career success and reach a more important personal and emotional success and become a whole person. Good Luck guy, seems you'll need plenty.

[Vinnvinny]

Okay, I was little pissy when I wrote that. Sorry.

But, I'm a very successful guy at a young age. I'm a perfectionist and have a bit of an obsessive personality. And it absolutely KILLS me that I have such a physical flaw as this, to the extent that I actually seriously considered leg lengthening surgery, but ultimately decided it wasn't worth the pain and potential complications.

So, yes, I fully acknowledge that the problem lies within me as much as without.

Here’s my plan.

Include in your intro letter that you’re a very successful young guy, a perfectionist and have a bit of an obsessive personality and don’t mention your height.

Trust me, if you’re 5’6” or 6’5”, if wont affect the response rate.

[Muzh]

I guess most FSU women would also love to marry a man who has the personality of a saint, be incapable of infidelity, speaks the same language as her and lives across the street.

Sometimes a compromise between a ‘wish list’ and reality is found and maybe your better half is a good example of this? I doubt if it was a life long ambition of hers to leave her family, friends and career to go and live in the States, but that didn't stop her doing this when she met you. 

Yo Vinn!!
 
Compromise, yeah. That's the ticket.
 
It was neither my long abmition to move thousands of miles away from my family and live in a place so foreign to me. But I compromised. So you can say we are two peas in a pod. 

[fathertime]

Maverick, forget perfection. It does not exist. Not in you, not anyone you know now or will ever know. There is no woman that will ever be perfect for you. That's too much pressure to ever put on one woman or person. You come across as extremely superficial. You are not willing to accept perceived flaws in others that you yourself possess, lack of height. The exterior of a woman or person is also a plus but, it doesn't reflect what the person is. Maybe one day you'll come to realize this. Hopefully, one day you'll get past your monetary or career success and reach a more important personal and emotional success and become a whole person. Good Luck guy, seems you'll need plenty.

I echo the way the fauxpas put it too....I was losing my hair..which many ladies would consider a negative....but I didn't let it stop me for a moment...who cares?  there are plenty of ladies that will find you attrractive...so I would focus on these ladies and lighten up on yourself...


good luck
Fathertime!   

[CDW]

Maverick  (Mel Gibson or James Garner?)

Will it make you feel better I get so many women liking me though I am profoundly deaf?   

[lonedrake]

Will it make you feel better I get so many women liking me though I am profoundly deaf?   

 what?

[CDW]

what?

What - you think women do not want a deaf man ????????????????? 

[lonedrake]

What - you think women do not want a deaf man ?????????????????

huh?

[JohnDearGreen]

I'm a short guy (barely 5'6). 

I think at 5'2 Mickey Rooney set the hollywood record at 9 wives.
First was to Ava Gardner, 5'1".
So, you're probably good for 3 or 4.

[Maverick47]

Maverick, honestly, I, for one, don't find you short on height, but I smell a shortage of self-confidence in you and I do smell fear - the fear of being not accepted and loved. What is the source of that fear? Perhaps it is somewhat connected to your perfectionism ??? IMO, you should try to identify it and beat it down ASAP, as it(fear) seems to be guiding your thoughts and choices. Good luck!

This is very insightful and true. I do feel that I need to be perfect at everything or people (women, especially) won't like me. I generally feel: Why would a woman want to be with me when she could be with someone taller?

Possibly an overbearing mother and an absent, sometimes abusive father? Not sure. But it is true that my brother (who's around 6 feet) also has problems with relationships. So, maybe you're right. Maybe there's something else there that I'm not seeing.

[Maverick47]

I too pick up on this vibe. Maverick strikes me as many passing these halls do. Seeking absolute perfection for minimal amount of effort of picking and choosing like buying aluminum siding in a Sears catalogue. Although he not not completely oblivious to some of his own shortcomings (no pun intended), his height is not one at all except in his own mind. So much so he worries about the height of children he does not have, yet.

Fair enough.

I'm not looking for perfect looks or perfect anything else. I was advised by a friend of mine in a happy marriage with an American woman that I should make a list of 8 dealbreakers, which I did.

1) Can't already have kids
2) Must want kids
3) Must have value to offer (either a career or a willingness to be a stay-at-home mom and cook and clean)
4) Thin
5) No personality/mental disorder
6) age (in her 20s....not unreasonable since I'm 26)
7) open-minded

My 8th will be positive attitude, but, as many of you said here (and I agree with), I need to work on that in myself first.

Either way, I don't think these are unreasonable requests. Again, except for #8, I can offer all of this to the woman myself at this very moment. I don't think that it's unreasonable to ask the same things from my future partner.

Maverick, forget perfection. It does not exist. Not in you, not anyone you know now or will ever know. There is no woman that will ever be perfect for you. That's too much pressure to ever put on one woman or person. You come across as extremely superficial. You are not willing to accept perceived flaws in others that you yourself possess, lack of height. The exterior of a woman or person is also a plus but, it doesn't reflect what the person is. Maybe one day you'll come to realize this. Hopefully, one day you'll get past your monetary or career success and reach a more important personal and emotional success and become a whole person. Good Luck guy, seems you'll need plenty.

I need a girl that I'm physically attracted to. I think we all feel that way, no? And I've dated some very attractive women here in the US. I've also dated girls that are just cute.

I don't think I'm VERY superficial. It just seems like the vast majority of women ARE very superficial when it comes to dating men based on height. So that's what I was asking about.