Advice

[Jumper]

Yeah, but do you get to talk to the ladies while they're nude?

I'm sure  its possible?
It wouldn't be a big turn on for me either way, but if you are comparing phone verse Skype in that case, it seems no contest.

 

[TheTraveler]

you 'll never end up with the hot babe if her hotness makes you paranoid about her possibly being a scammer.

keep your mind clear of those obstacles.  as long as you don 't send her or an agency money, then you can't get scammed, right?

of course if she asks you to send money, then dump her, forget about her, and move on.

enjoy the pursuit!

[ohShesNice]

If a guy can't figure out how a sincere woman talks compare to an insincere woman on the phone, he's got more problems than having to choose between Skype and making a phone call.

Totally agree, I had my first skype call with a Ukraine girl last night and I know for sure she is the real deal.
With the questions she was asking me and the answers I was getting it was totally clear she was interested and is looking to find a foreign man.

[Faux Pas]

Totally agree, I had my first skype call with a Ukraine girl last night and I know for sure she is the real deal.

Your enthusiasm is admirable but, you don't know anything for sure other than you had a pleasurable Skype call with a babe. She is probably for real and sincere but, you don't know that, at this point. Don't put your cart ahead of your horse.

With the questions she was asking me and the answers I was getting it was totally clear she was interested and is looking to find a foreign man.

No doubt she's looking for a foreign man. She was on a website for that specific purpose. You should have deduced this well before the Skype call. The bigger question is, why she is looking for a foreign man? My point to you is, you can have 100 Skype calls with this gal in the next 30 days and you won't be any closer to the answer to that question. These answers start to reveal themselves when have visited and get to know her. Be thrilled, be excited but don't start thinking with your penis (which is likely what got you here in the first place).

[ohShesNice]

Your enthusiasm is admirable but, you don't know anything for sure other than you had a pleasurable Skype call with a babe. She is probably for real and sincere but, you don't know that, at this point. Don't put your cart ahead of your horse.

No doubt she's looking for a foreign man. She was on a website for that specific purpose. You should have deduced this well before the Skype call. The bigger question is, why she is looking for a foreign man? My point to you is, you can have 100 Skype calls with this gal in the next 30 days and you won't be any closer to the answer to that question. These answers start to reveal themselves when have visited and get to know her. Be thrilled, be excited but don't start thinking with your penis (which is likely what got you here in the first place).

You negativity doesn't really interest me, that not how I approach life.

[Faux Pas]

You negativity doesn't really interest me, that not how I approach life.

Great! Now that we have that established, I'll just wish you well because it's blatantly obvious you're going to need it 

[ohShesNice]

Great! Now that we have that established, I'll just wish you well because it's blatantly obvious you're going to need it 

Is it really. Sorry but you don't know me and your head is clearly stuck up your ass.

[JohnDearGreen]

Either way I have 2 girls on whatsapp too which I'm talking to so I dont have all my eggs in one basket.

Good, because she probably has many she is talking to.  If so, how do you feel your chances are?
If not too high, then keep lining up other contacts, but don't eliminate her.  Also, ignore the rogue responses.

[ohShesNice]

Good, because she probably has many she is talking to.  If so, how do you feel your chances are?
If not too high, then keep lining up other contacts, but don't eliminate her.  Also, ignore the rogue responses.

My chances with the girl that  I was unsure about, or in general?

[JohnDearGreen]

My chances with the girl that  I was unsure about....?

Yes (with assumption that many others are talking to her).   If you have no confidence then, for example, a WOVO trip would be pretty foolish.

[ohShesNice]

Yes (with assumption that many others are talking to her).   If you have no confidence then, for example, a WOVO trip would be pretty foolish.

I'm still unsure about her, I emailed her last night looking to skype, haven't had a reply yet.

I'm talking to others though, I like the girl I skyped last night, she seemed very genuine and is well educated.
I'm only really looking at Ukraine girls at the moment.

[GQBlues]

You negativity doesn't really interest me, that not how I approach life.

Over the years it's become obvious to me that there's a direct correlation to a man's local social/dating standings (or a serious lack thereof)  from his eventual behavior when he tempts his faith in the MOB biz.

Skype, phones...are good tools to communicate with anyone but should not be used to gauge a woman's sincerity. If men cannot discern between reality from fantasy in this pursuit on their own, especially at the respective ages of men participating here; what tool to use to determine whether a woman is real/sincere or not will hardly be their problem. More times than not, the problem is 'you'.

Likely the very best advice you received in this thread so far was Faux Pas, yet you disregard it like a worn-out shoe. Too bad.

Typical.

[ohShesNice]

Over the years it's become obvious to me that there's a direct correlation to a man's local social/dating standings (or a serious lack thereof)  from his eventual behavior when he tempts his faith in the MOB biz.

Skype, phones...are good tools to communicate with anyone but should not be used to gauge a woman's sincerity. If men cannot discern between reality from fantasy in this pursuit on their own, especially at the respective ages of men participating here; what tool to use to determine whether a woman is real/sincere or not will hardly be their problem. More times than not, the problem is 'you'.

Likely the very best advice you received in this thread so far was Faux Pas, yet you disregard it like a worn-out shoe. Too bad.

Typical.

It was not what he said but the manner in which he said it.
Maybe you need to read it again.

I'm 31 well educated and well travelled.
My local social scene is just fine, I'm just attracted to Eastern European girls as they seem less spoilt by wealth in my opinion. I have no doubt that I will not get scammed on these sites, I'm not stupid.

[GQBlues]

It was not what he said but the manner in which he said it.
Maybe you need to read it again.

I'm 31 well educated and well travelled.
My local social scene is just fine, I'm just attracted to Eastern European girls as they seem less spoilt by wealth in my opinion. I have no doubt that I will not get scammed on these sites, I'm not stupid.

Then that being said, you should've been the last man asking for 'advice' other than asking questions relating to cultural matters or even travel appointments.

You started this thread by asking to see if you can send a picture of a very "HOT' woman to see if she's real. Hardly the actions of a seasoned Romeo.

Most everyone here, FYI, are very young or looks very young for their age. Can date anyone they want back in the USA but they are just all fascinated by eastern European girls because they are not materialistic, traditional, their sexy accent, jump tall building on a single bounce, can eat newborn babies on a single bite, and all that good stuff.

So pull up a chair and make yourself comfortable. Your membership fits in very nicely.

[ohShesNice]

Then that being said, you should've been the last man asking for 'advice' other than asking questions relating to cultural matters or even travel appointments.

You started this thread by asking to see if you can send a picture of a very "HOT' woman to see if she's real. Hardly the actions of a seasoned Romeo.

Most everyone here, FYI, are very young or looks very young for their age. Can date anyone they want back in the USA but they are just all fascinated by eastern European girls because they are not materialistic, traditional, their sexy accent, jump tall building on a single bounce, can eat newborn babies on a single bite, and all that good stuff.

So pull up a chair and make yourself comfortable. Your membership fits in very nicely.

I thought if she was sending pictures of a Russian model or something, then you guys might recognise, that why I made the original post.
I'm from Ireland FYI.

[ML]

I'm just attracted to Eastern European girls as they seem less spoilt by wealth in my opinion.

Actually, on average, the Eastern European gals are more materialistic than American gals.

[ohShesNice]

Actually, on average, the Eastern European gals are more materialistic than American gals.

On the outside yes but not on the inside I don't think.

[ML]

I'm from Ireland FYI.

My Ukrainian gal and I just recently bought a townhouse on the seacoast south of Dublin.

[ohShesNice]

My Ukrainian gal and I just recently bought a townhouse on the seacoast south of Dublin.

Cool, great time to buy property in Ireland.
Whereabouts, Dun Laoghaire  maybe?

[ML]

Half mile from sea in County Wicklow.

[ohShesNice]

Half mile from sea in County Wicklow.

Cool, I'm in Co. Wexford, not far from you.

[jone]

I'm not sure that I believe that Eastern European women are more materialistic than Western Women.  If you are talking to a lady from Ukraine, there is a good chance she has never driven a car.  In United States if a girl reaches the age of 20 and does not have a car of her own, or access to one, life is pretty bad.

There are minor material comforts that an EE woman will not do without.  She will find a way to have nice clothes .... especially boots.   

She will probably have a nice phone.   In the case of Ukraine, her phone will probably operate with two Sim cards.

But, for the most part, standard of living and disposable income limit the amount of money an EE woman has to play with.

[ML]

It's not the level of material items they currently have that shows the level of materialism.  Of course, in the Eastern European situation they have less than in USA.

It's the level of material things they desire that defines a materialistic person.

[BillyB]

It was not what he said but the manner in which he said it.

No matter how good the advice is, if it's delivered poorly, the advice is garbage to the intended recipient. If those of us who spend time typing advice want to make sure it's received well, we need to improve our delivery. Ohshesnice, you're handling things fine here. You got thick enough skin. Those who are delivering advice up your ass wouldn't be as kind as you if it were done to them.

[Jumper]

It's not the level of material items they currently have that shows the level of materialism.  Of course, in the Eastern European situation they have less than in USA.
It's the level of material things they desire that defines a materialistic person.

So on average you feel FSU women desire more than western women.
Interesting ML.

In my youth I was a psycho magnet.Seemed the crazier the woman was ,the more likely she was attracted to me.
Maybe you were a materialistic woman magnet? 

 I have seen materialism in the FSU, certainly among the MOB segment.
That comes a bit naturally? Those that would want more than the average local person , and available locally, would a bit naturally look elsewhere for it

Certain areas or cities in the West are noted for this as well?

Spending time with normal folk in the FSU, i have never noticed them wanting more in life than the average person in the west.
Often taking more enjoyment from the simply things in life and a bit closer to families.Perhaps driven by necessity,yet result the same.

A man traveling there meeting a certain segment of the society, either MOB, or business executives ,  would get a different view I think.

Same as meeting  a thousand women from the average western home..
with normal family life will show different expectations than meeting  the wealthy gals of North Dallas, aspiring actresses in LA.. etc.

 If comparing the same level of socio-economic status , lets say NYC's aspiring professionals , vs Kiev's, i cant see much difference in material expectations?

Compare the average happily married FSU woman in Poltova, to one in Springfield  Il, do you think there is truly much difference?

Now  compare the springfield wife, to the aspiring hot young FSU women wanting a foreign man (that foreign men seek) and you've got a point for sure.

I just think apples to apples comparisons are often not  made,its not even apples to oranges..  more like applies to paperclip. its not even remotely the same.

Within the same relative groups, expectations in life regarding material things  seems to be the same.

If guys go dating an elitist LA party girl , they know what to expect, why should the be shocked if Kiev's metropolitan club hoppin hottie likes/expects her bling just as much ?

Guys often do not date in the same social circles in this endeavor..
(both directions)
the misunderstandings are just as often about those differences, ,as cultural ones.