Advice

[ML]

So on average you feel FSU women desire more than western women.
Interesting ML.

In my youth I was a psycho magnet.Seemed the crazier the woman was ,the more likely she was attracted to me.
Maybe you were a materialistic woman magnet? 

Recall that I have spent a lot more time in FSU than most anyone here (with a few exceptions it seems); and most of that time was on business trips, not pussy chasing.

I talked to hundreds of FSU women (most married) in casual social settings, mid level managers, office workers, etc. (just as I did with AW in USA).  So I was not a magnet for those seeking something from me.  These women were not seeking a WM, so I wasn't encountering a subgroup of FSUW who would be looking for something better in the West.

That's where I formed my knowledge of the relative materialistic nature of FSUW vs AW.

In my later active searching preparations for visiting FSUW, I quickly weeded out most (and there were huge numbers) of the highly materialistic women before arriving.  As a result, I didn't spend time with such; but only because I had weeded them out. 

You go in without weeding . . . and the vast majority you meet will be much more materialistic that the average AW.

And not just will they want something . . . it has to be the most expensive possible.  They falsely associate higher prices with higher quality; and they want to be able to tell their female friends that they have the most expensive available.

[Jumper]

And not just will they want something . . . it has to be the most expensive possible.  They falsely associate higher prices with higher quality; and they want to be able to tell their female friends that they have the most expensive available.

I have seen this phenomenon,and its' not uncommon.
Particularly the brand or label

Yet I simply havn't seen in to some great degree.It reminded me of roughly the same to here that do so.
The Major labels here, are big brands for a reason, people want them, and want to show their friends they have them.
 Channels like E! with the Fashion Police are popular in the west..
there is a reason they are popular beyond Joan's wit,
 It is not some tiny segment of western society they cater to in the shows demographic.
 Cosmopolitan and Vogue are top magazines for a reason


 I have lived in the FSU,so your vastly different perspective on this subject have puzzled me prior as well.
The average family there i interacted with , the women did not have that mentality, and looked on the percent that did as being a tad foolish.
Same as the majority of average western women would  view a
local friend that was a slave to fashion , or brands.

You seem to be gliding towards the  fact that fashion ,and appearance is a bit more important in the culture ,and that drives materialism.

 I'm just not sure wanting to look presentable,and be label conscious,as well  as  that natural competition between women there to do so, is actually  more materialistic than the similar percentage of western women, soccer moms  perhaps less concerned about fashion ,but equally concerned about wanting a BMer, or certain class of home , in a certain gated community just to stay up with the Joneses.

I see both in each society,and that's fine.It takes all types.I can't say two years in the FSU made me see materialism  at some higher level.
My wife isnt, my MIL isn't, her sister isn't, none of her aunts, and neither are most of her friends. Yes there are a couple of her friends that are! They are viewed as a tad silly by their group of peers..
We will have to agree to disagree.

[Faux Pas]

No matter how good the advice is, if it's delivered poorly, the advice is garbage to the intended recipient. If those of us who spend time typing advice want to make sure it's received well, we need to improve our delivery. Ohshesnice, you're handling things fine here. You got thick enough skin. Those who are delivering advice up your ass wouldn't be as kind as you if it were done to them.

As I/O often said "If you want it sugar coated, buy a donut".  Any man in this venture that needs his advice sugar coated probably still has mama cutting up his meat. I'm not here to massage egos or fuel fantasies. I gave him some good advice, if he wants to mine reasons to ignore it, it's no skin off my nose. Power to him

[BillyB]

I gave him some good advice,

If a person doesn't take your advice, you didn't give him anything. Think about it.

[Faux Pas]

If a person doesn't take your advice, you didn't give him anything. Think about it.

You're playing semantics Billy. I offered him good advice. You continue encourage him to fantasy build, makes me not one bit of difference 

[ohShesNice]

As I/O often said "If you want it sugar coated, buy a donut".  Any man in this venture that needs his advice sugar coated probably still has mama cutting up his meat. I'm not here to massage egos or fuel fantasies. I gave him some good advice, if he wants to mine reasons to ignore it, it's no skin off my nose. Power to him

Having good manners when giving advice to someone is not the same as sugar coated advice.
Its just good manners.

[ohShesNice]

You're playing semantics Billy. I offered him good advice. You continue encourage him to fantasy build, makes me not one bit of difference 

What fantasy?
The fantasy I spoke to last night on video skype and texted most of the day today?

[Faux Pas]

What fantasy?
The fantasy I spoke to last night on skype and most of the day today?

Listen dude, you'd be much better served to direct your questions or quires to someone who'll dance around your tender feelings. I'm not that guy. We've determined that, haven't we? Continue to seek out those who will give you the answers you want and reality be dammed. There are plenty of those, too.

[ohShesNice]

Listen dude, you'd be much better served to direct your questions or quires to someone who'll dance around your tender feelings. I'm not that guy. We've determined that, haven't we? Continue to seek out those who will give you the answers you want and reality be dammed. There are plenty of those, too.

You don't even read what people say, I already said over and over that it was not your advice I had problems with it was the delivery of your advice. So now you say I'm looking for only the answers I want, your really not that smart are you, you can't even understand what someone is saying and then respond accordingly.

Now its best if you just stay away from me on the forum please as I don't really have time for you. Good man.

[Faux Pas]

You don't even read what people say, I already said over and over that it was not your advice I had problems with it was the delivery of your advice. So now you say I'm looking for only the answers I want, your really not that smart are you, you can't even understand what someone is saying and then respond accordingly.

Now its best if you just stay away from me on the forum please as I don't really have time for you. Good man.

Yeah we determined this earlier but, you apparently still persist.   

[ohShesNice]

Yeah we determined this earlier but, you apparently still persist.   

hahaha I persist? Is this not my thread?
Bit of a screw loose with you maybe!!!

[Faux Pas]

hahaha I persist? Is this not my thread?
Bit of a screw loose with you maybe!!!

Sadly for you, no. You don't own the thread. You would love to kick me off of here, wouldn't you? You can't stop me from posting where I please. Now, I already disengaged from you once after my second post to you and you continue to think I have something to say to you, I don't. IMHO, you are the most insignificant poster on the forum. I will be the very last person on these boards to offer you advice in the future of any sort. Do we understand each other now? Comprende?

[ohShesNice]

Sadly for you, no. You don't own the thread. You would love to kick me off of here, wouldn't you? You can't stop me from posting where I please. Now, I already disengaged from you once after my second post to you and you continue to think I have something to say to you, I don't. IMHO, you are the most insignificant poster on the forum. I will be the very last person on these boards to offer you advice in the future of any sort. Do we understand each other now? Comprende?

You have issues.

[SANDRO43]

Is this not my thread?

Curiously, this is a misconception that a few seem to harbour.

OhShesNice, I know of no Internet forum who gives thread starters sole, unquestionable rights to them, and this is also the case here. You can choose to put unwanted contributors on 'Ignore', but cannot prevent them from intervening as they see fit.

Just a word of advice on rules applying here - and in most other forums on the 'Net .

[Faux Pas]

You have issues.

Good luck to you, lil'feller 

[ohShesNice]

Curiously, this is a misconception that a few seem to harbour.

OhShesNice, I know of no Internet forum who gives thread starters sole, unquestionable rights to them, and this is also the case here. You can choose to put unwanted contributors on 'Ignore', but cannot prevent them from intervening as they see fit.

Just a word of advice on rules applying here - and in most other forums on the 'Net .

I know how forums work I use them all the time, my point was that we agreed to not communicate any more and he comes back to the thread (that I was posting in and created) and started with the insults again.

[SANDRO43]

he comes back to the thread (that I was posting in and created) and started with the insults again.

If you feel insulted, use the "Report to Moderator" function and some action may be taken against the offender, after due consideration of the issue .

[Jumper]

The woman you Skyped with today,seems not to be the one you originally had questions about being real.
 So believing/validating a different woman is sincere , can be a bit confusing to those of us following along?

 Seems like things are going well with this one, great!
Women who have no issue with you contacting them, by her own email, phone, skype etc, wouldn't raise the concerns you originally brought up.
Regardless their hotness level.

 If the original woman you brought up did use someone models photos, it will sort itself out in time with communications as long as you dont let weird or *cultural* excuses validate silly behavior.
 If the original hottie  responds the same way the one has today,
you'd be well advised to follow up in communicating with her ,keep your expectations of how a women interested in you would act in place, and see where it goes.
 As others have mentioned , it means little until you meet someone face to face, but it does allow you to learn  more about each other and see if a meeting is in the works on both sides.

Best advice is if you do indeed hit it off, if they seem sincerely interested,
then plan to meet them face to face soon.

Remember many here giving you advice,  have been through exactly what you are now, they have corresponded with many women in the fSU..
have thought all was well or had your same misgivings , have sorted thru many situations, have flown to meetings that may have fizzled in 3 minutes ,from any reason of scam to simply no chemistry at all, or to meetings that  formed a relationship leading to marriage.

 The will generally encourage you, yet try to temper your enthusiasm if it seems the cart is in front of the horse. From the collective  experiences most will feel that you are just pen pals,  until you meet in person.

Good luck.

[threeships]

OhShesNice, if its not too late......?
welcome to the forum. you will get some great advice here (but from your point of view, not so great) I can understand how you feel with the tone of  FAUX  PAS reply.  you see you are the new kid on the block (no pun intended). so  in Faux Pus savvy demeanor he was giving  some (from his point of view) useful advice... through experience. yes he could have been more tactful but so what. I do not think he intent was to be rude! he has no reason to.... some of us or more sensitive than others, and some of us are eager to give strong advice without knowing any facts of a given scenario.    anyway I hope the best for you and your female friend,. most guys here were once in your shoes. peace brother )

[ohShesNice]

OhShesNice, if its not too late......?
welcome to the forum. you will get some great advice here (but from your point of view, not so great) I can understand how you feel with the tone of  FAUX  PAS reply.  you see you are the new kid on the block (no pun intended). so  in Faux Pus savvy demeanor he was giving  some (from his point of view) useful advice... through experience. yes he could have been more tactful but so what. I do not think he intent was to be rude! he has no reason to.... some of us or more sensitive than others, and some of us are eager to give strong advice without knowing any facts of a given scenario.    anyway I hope the best for you and your female friend,. most guys here were once in your shoes. peace brother )

No worries thanks mate.

[Dewed]

May I direct your attention to the incredible value found in the IGNORE function of this forum..

1. copy the username of those you'd rather not be bothered by.
2, click "Profile" from the menu above
3, mid-left, click "Buddies/Ignore List"
4, click "Edit Ignore List"
5. paste the member name in the field labeled "Member", click "Add"
 
 Repeat steps 1 through 5 as often as needed

6. enjoy relative peace

[Jumper]

6. enjoy relative peace

 

[Daveman]

This is pretty funny.  Yeah, I should allow the sleeping dog to lie... nahhhhh

Totally agree, I had my first skype call with a Ukraine girl last night and I know for sure she is the real deal.

Your enthusiasm is admirable but, you don't know anything for sure other than you had a pleasurable Skype call with a babe. She is probably for real and sincere but, you don't know that, at this point. Don't put your cart ahead of your horse.

With the questions she was asking me and the answers I was getting it was totally clear she was interested and is looking to find a foreign man.

No doubt she's looking for a foreign man. She was on a website for that specific purpose. You should have deduced this well before the Skype call. The bigger question is, why she is looking for a foreign man? My point to you is, you can have 100 Skype calls with this gal in the next 30 days and you won't be any closer to the answer to that question. These answers start to reveal themselves when have visited and get to know her. Be thrilled, be excited but don't start thinking with your penis (which is likely what got you here in the first place).

followed up with:

You negativity doesn't really interest me, that not how I approach life.

Great! Now that we have that established, I'll just wish you well because it's blatantly obvious you're going to need it 

Is it really. Sorry but you don't know me and your head is clearly stuck up your ass.

BWAHAHAHAH!!!  Man, this is straight outta the textbook.

Now, OSN, you have all you need to succeed in this endeavor. The ultimate weapon even.  When you have a communication problem with your lady friend, and feel your feelings twinged a bit because of her insensitive, English as a second (or third/fourth/etc) language rude directness - tell her immediately that her head is clearly stuck up her ass.  THAT is the ticker. Her model hotness self will melt immediately into traditional submissiveness.

[Muzh]

Where do these guys come from?

[alex330]

THAT is the ticker. Her model hotness self will melt immediately into traditional submissiveness.

Are you sure you are talking about FSUW?