The Russian Invasion of Ukraine-The Real Nazis

[GQBlues]

They wouldn't happen to fit into something like this, I wonder?

[LiveFromUkraine]

They wouldn't happen to fit into something like this, I wonder?

Yeah, but I am afraid Billy may be right that Putin was behind it.  A new camera angle has captured Putin's treachery.

[GQBlues]

 

[krimster2]

yeah, you can read 8KOM on it!  looks like Ukraine gave them a 21 pod salute!
too bad we don't let Ukraine have Predator UAV's with HellFires with an iPhone app to control HellFire launch and tracking
dealing with Russian separatists?  there's an app for that! 

[GQBlues]

Johnny McCain really, really wanted to.....except I think he already gave up his allotment to Al Qaeda in Syria. Biden may still have a couple, or three, he's not using in the state of Nevada.

[BillyB]

Supposedly this was found on the scene.

"Supposedly" is the key word here. It's no secret the Ukrainian jets fired on militia multiple times near Lugansk with S-8KOM rockets and fragments are always within reach for the militia. Fragments could be picked up from one location and taken to the scene. Problem is your favorite new source, RT reported within hours of the attack there are unexploded shells at the scene. No guessing here. According to RT and the militia, THERE ARE unexploded shells at the scene which could help prove who did it. Where are the photos of those unexploded shells(plural)? Probably didn't match up well to S-8KOM rockets fired from jets so they had to bring in the S-8KOM fragments to submit as evidence days later.


http://rt.com/news/163076-ukraine-lugansk-clashes-jet/

[LiveFromUkraine]

Problem is your favorite new source, RT reported within hours of the attack there are unexploded shells at the scene. No guessing here.

Here we go again, now RT is my favorite news source.  Sort of like how I asked to meet GQ while visiting LA.  I'm still waiting for that reminder dude.

According to RT and the militia, THERE ARE unexploded shells at the scene which could help prove who did it. Where are the photos of those unexploded shells(plural)? Probably didn't match up well to S-8KOM rockets fired from jets so they had to bring in the S-8KOM fragments to submit as evidence days later.


http://rt.com/news/163076-ukraine-lugansk-clashes-jet/

Maybe whoever reported was so drunk from vodka they mistaken an old babushka for an unexploded shell.  When they woke up and saw the pictures, they shrugged their shoulders and just went back to drinking.


I don't think our little stories will really add any credibility to this situation and maybe we should wait to see if more info comes out.   I have to admit I am enjoying watching you go to great lengths in order to blame Putin.

[BillyB]

Here we go again, now RT is my favorite news source. 

Kinda like you repeating yourself over and over that JayH uses Yahoo for news? Annoying isn't it?

Sort of like how I asked to meet GQ while visiting LA.  I'm still waiting for that reminder dude.

I can't remember everything you said but at least my memory is better than yours. Post #256. You wanted to meet up with GQ. You don't have to be ashamed and pretend you never said it now because you finally realized GQ isn't popular here.


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=16356.msg342123;topicseen#msg342123

I have to admit I am enjoying watching you go to great lengths in order to blame Putin.

I'm happy you're getting an orgasm reading my posts but my posts are to debate the evidence, not blame Putin. Putin does a good enough job himself to not need my help. He sends militants into the civilian population to fight. Civilians are going to get killed. Putin wants and expects collateral damage and understands there are people in the world that will blame Ukraine's government for creating the problems. In my search for evidence, I found lots of blogs and forums where people think Putin is right, the government in Kiev are fascists and killers. Putin said he wants to protect Russian speakers in Ukraine just like he did in Crimea. He lied.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Kinda like you repeating yourself over and over that JayH uses Yahoo for news? Annoying isn't it?

No, not even kinda close to what I was talking about.  It doesn't surprise me, though.

I can't remember everything you said but at least my memory is better than yours. Post #256. You wanted to meet up with GQ.

I knew exactly what you where talking about which is why it was so funny how twisted you got it.  GQ and I mentioned possibly meeting up if we where both in Philippines at the same time which wasn't even close to what you said.

Unfortunately I wasn't able to go because of some projects that never seem to end.

You don't have to be ashamed and pretend you never said it now because you finally realized GQ isn't popular here.

That sounds like a good reason to meet up with someone from here.  To be honest, I wouldn't be interested in hanging out with the majority of people here. Being unpopular here isn't what I would consider a bad thing.

but my posts are to debate the evidence, not blame Putin.

    Evidence?  Like how the separatist could, possibly, maybe have got a piece of missile and planted it to frame the Ukrainian military? 

He lied.

Of course he lies.  I wouldn't expect him to be any different than any other politician.

[BillyB]

    Evidence?  Like how the separatist could, possibly, maybe have got a piece of missile and planted it to frame the Ukrainian military? 

There were cameras on the scene right after the explosions. Unexploded shells were reported there by the militia and RT news. Where are the photos of those shells? Showing us photos of S8-KOM shell fragments "allegedly" found at the scene days later is not evidence. You're free to believe it if you want, but don't expect rational thinkers to accept it.

[GQBlues]

...but don't expect rational thinkers to except it.

 

Yeah. Rational thinkers read and subscribe to UkraineInvestigation.com to explain everything. LOL.

...That sounds like a good reason to meet up with someone from here.  To be honest, I wouldn't be interested in hanging out with the majority of people here. Being unpopular here isn't what I would consider a bad thing....

Dang exactly right. I LOVE knowing that I may in fact be THE MOST unpopular, albeit sexiest, dude 'round these parts. That fact in itself will undoubtedly reinforce my point about MOBers.

 

[Maxx2]

Being unpopular here isn't what I would consider a bad thing.

Probably would make you normal everyplace else.

[LAman]

Dang exactly right. I LOVE knowing that I may in fact be THE MOST unpopular, albeit sexiest, dude 'round these parts. That fact in itself will undoubtedly reinforce my point about MOBers.

 

Cough, cough......the one next to me says I am rather sexy..... myself!!! Go figure!!!

What's that saying..... Sexy is....What sexy does!!!

[LiveFromUkraine]

There were cameras on the scene right after the explosions. Unexploded shells were reported there by the militia and RT news. Where are the photos of those shells? Showing us photos of S8-KOM shell fragments "allegedly" found at the scene days later is not evidence. You're free to believe it if you want, but don't expect rational thinkers to accept it.

I never said the s8 shells were evidence.  I said "Supposedly"....  again with the reading problems. With that said, pointing out a shell might have been found on site is far better than your "what if" scenarios that you dream up.  "What if" this and "What if" that is hardly debating.  Even if the shell found was verified you would still come up with strange scenarios in order blame Putin.  For me, I am more interested in learning the truth while you seem to be more interested in blaming one party.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Cough, cough......the one next to me says I am rather sexy..... myself!!! Go figure!!!

What's the name of your puppy?   

[BillyB]

pointing out a shell might have been found on site is far better than your "what if" scenarios that you dream up.  "What if" this and "What if" that is hardly debating. 

The site you provide said the shell fragments could have been from a previous engagement even before I did. If you don't like "what ifs", don't supply those sites for people to debate with. Stick with sites that talk about confirmed evidence.

[LiveFromUkraine]

The site you provide said the shell fragments could have been from a previous engagement even before I did. If you don't like "what ifs", don't supply those sites for people to debate with. Stick with sites that talk about confirmed evidence.

  What if Billy could actually think logically would be a what if that I could debate.  Next you will be posting links to sites that try to triangulate the planes path and missiles.  Oh wait...  you did! 


You can't beat evidence like UkraineInvestigation.com.

Oh, look, it's a weird tree with green lines and that means the missiles couldn't have been shot from the plane.

[BillyB]

You can't beat evidence like UkraineInvestigation.com.

Jesus Christ! Can you and GQ try to debate like adults instead of children for once? Can you try and use your brain and make even a small attempt to counter what the site says instead of ridiculing it? Every site you provided, I debated the subject it talks about to dismiss it's claims, not make fun of the site.


Maybe I should use your styling of debating from now on and for every site you link, I'll respond with 

That way I'll show everyone here I have as much intelligence as you and GQ

[LiveFromUkraine]

Jesus Christ! Can you and GQ try to debate like adults instead of children for once? Can you try and use your brain and make even a small attempt to counter what the site says instead of ridiculing it? Every site you provided, I debated the subject it talks about to dismiss it's claims, not make fun of the site.

How the hell am I suppose to take UkraineInvestigations serious enough to debate it?  Cmon, man, think! 


What if the tree had purple squiggly lines?


Here is the dealio Billy.  I am not debating anything on this topic.  I am simply trying to figure out what happened. 


I originally thought it was something that was shot from the ground.  I posted it before you if you want to look back.  I am not certain, though, and looking at more sources have led me to believe I was wrong.  Being wrong is ok.


Now, you, on the other hand, seem to want to be right no matter what really happened.  So much so that you are posting sites with pictures of trees and you expect us to debate that nonsense.


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[GQBlues]

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Jesus Christ!

 

There. Fix that for you BillyB!


Add:

 

[LiveFromUkraine]

Billy here you go.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/03/world/europe/ukraine-luhansk-building-attack/

The tops of trees were splintered, and a series of small craters -- about a dozen -- had been blasted in a straight line, starting in the park and reaching the walls of the building, blowing out many of its windows and spraying the area with jagged shrapnel.

Now, I wonder how Putin could stage that. 

Anyway, does anyone know if the building was seized by separatists?  I'm wondering if this was the actual target or a bad accident.

[Maxx2]

You two guys remind me of boys throwing rocks at the zoo gorilla.

[GQBlues]

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Anyway, does anyone know if the building was seized by separatists?  I'm wondering if this was the actual target or a bad accident.

IINM, the building was supposed to have been taken over by the separatists. One report I read 3 days ago also said the blasts killed one of the separatist leader.

There is a video in this blog. The blogger is actually the one who originally created all the surgical diagrams that have been since used/shown in other sites. The original release was the one cc3 posted in another thread which original portrayed a militant attack as opposed to an air attack. The blogger then changed that conclusion and corrected himself to say that it was in fact an air assault.

This is a link to his blog with a youtube video of the debris found on the blast site.

http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2014/06/ukraine-needs-to-come-with-really-good.html


This blogger is one good example at how knee-jerk reactionary damnation can do to you...Here's an Australian blogger who also did the same type of pseudo-CSI. His study is more up-to-date.

http://tomgiuretis.com/2014/06/an-assessment-of-the-june-2-luhansk-administration-building-attacks/

[LiveFromUkraine]

The original release was the one cc3 posted in another thread which original portrayed a militant attack as opposed to an air attack. The blogger then changed that conclusion and corrected himself to say that it was in fact an air assault.

This is a link to his blog with a youtube video of the debris found on the blast site.

ha!  We haven't heard much from cc3.  Unfortunately, that is how the news is delivered these days.  There seems to be a race to get anything out while not worrying about the facts.  We have to piece this stuff together over time.

This blogger is one good example at how knee-jerk reactionary damnation can do to you...Here's an Australian blogger who also did the same type of pseudo-CSI. His study is more up-to-date.

http://tomgiuretis.com/2014/06/an-assessment-of-the-june-2-luhansk-administration-building-attacks/

Ah, looking at the videos, on that site, you could see tires propped up as a barrier outside the building.  The building does look like it was taken over and probably the real target. 

Man, you have to wonder how the military will continue trying to get the separatist out of these buildings.  It should never have been allowed in Kiev and now it seems to be more widespread.


Hopefully the civilians will learn from this and avoid these types of sites from now on.  The military needs to communicate with the civilians, in the area, to at least let them know how to stay out of harm.

[LiveFromUkraine]

You two guys remind me of boys throwing rocks at the zoo gorilla.

Maxx, you shouldn't call Billy a gorilla.  Just post these instead.