More Bad News for Russia

[JayH]

He never will based on my experience.  He ignores facts and  throws wild  stuff on the wall hoping something will stick.   And when he comes across some facts, he tends to gloss over if not misanalyse them.  And if you present facts debunking his opinion, he will not admit his error.   

So I suggest you follow Doug's advice.   Is he a troll who enjoys stirring  reactions?  Or perhaps he  has some sort of learning disability and depends upon  us to teach him.   Maybe he is on an unrelated board where he  cuts and paste your material to make him appear smart. 

The bottom line:  debunking his statements is like shooting fish in a barrel.   It becomes tedious.  Save your reasoning energy for challenges that enliven an open mind, i. e., the type of discussion where we learn something.

My only question is why you continue to  engage this troll that the rest  of us have on 'ignore' ?  Do you enjoy in arguing with stupidity or have much more time than most of us?

To add a few points--giving this idiot oxygen is what he craves for-- to be engaged .The trolls strategy is often to divert topics away from the discussion--insults(more accurately attempted insults)are used  as a way to get responses and divert.
It brings into question why he is so anti-American and pro-Russian point of view on near enough every topic-- and why he is here in the first place.
Brass has given him a hiding at every turn here--  and surely only a non English first language    speaker could  persist in attempting responses.Note the childish attempts at insults that litter his posts  when any common sense reply is exhausted.

[fathertime]

To add a few points--giving this idiot oxygen is what he craves for-- to be engaged .The trolls strategy is often to divert topics away from the discussion--insults(more accurately attempted insults)are used  as a way to get responses and divert.
It brings into question why he is so anti-American and pro-Russian point of view on near enough every topic-- and why he is here in the first place.
Brass has given him a hiding at every turn here--  and surely only a non English first language    speaker could  persist in attempting responses.Note the childish attempts at insults that litter his posts  when any common sense reply is exhausted.

Angry JayH back again!   I don't think I diverted the topics at all, and I almost always wait to receive attempted insults before I will retaliate. I'm convinced that my response to topics is reasonable, even if it isn't pro-west at every turn. Many think in a similar way, even if they have left, been run off, or just choose not to bother.    It is the reactions of perhaps a half dozen or so is unreasonable.  That is par for the course though, so I accept it of course, and am grateful that the viewpoint I have gets a little extra airtime.   


Fathertime!   
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[sleepycat]

  Or perhaps he  has some sort of learning disability and depends upon  us to teach him.   

Mendy has already tried to 'educate' him on the topic of International Politics 101 on multiple occasions.
It's a lost cause...
 

[Anotherkiwi]

For crying out loud! 

I was hoping that somebody would have stopped to draw breath, or that the thread had been locked - no such luck.

Back to the threads where we actually get real information - sometimes. 

[fathertime]

Mendy has already tried to 'educate' him on the topic of International Politics 101 on multiple occasions.
It's a lost cause...
 

Maybe YOU can 'educate' me about 'midgets' or 'botox', or the other odd specialties you enjoy repeating! 




Fathertime! 

[Brasscasing]

YES!  I'm sure some of what I've said IS given credence, not because it is disinformation, but because there is some accuracy to it. 

You mean your accurate and credible posts like this one?...

This thread really isn't about the Iran deal, but I did notice that the agreement is moving forward as of today.  All the major powers seem to be fine with what Iran is doing, which appears to be posturing.  Who is to blame them?  With our interventionist history, they got to show they are strong to survive, and discourage us from doing something stupid.  Thankfully Obama is a reasonable man, making good calls.

I'd disagree, Iran's actions are pivotal to the Syrian/middle East situation right now.

Not all the major powers are "fine" with what Iran is doing. France isn't overly impressed...

France says Iran missile test 'worrying' violation of U.N. resolution

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/15/us-iran-france-missiles-idUSKCN0S91A620151015

Your final question has the assumption that Iran is breaking the deal, since all the major powers are moving forward, I would need to see indisputable evidence the deal is being broken.   Who knows how, or what they could/would retaliate with, but I am pretty sure they have something. Perhaps that is in part why the deal was struck, because we knew they had some serious capability, to which the military option just wasn't going to turn out to be very easy, like it has been in other somewhat defenseless nations. 

Posturing? They are 'posturing' with assets they shouldn't have by UN resolution. How do you equate illegal actions with strength?


My question states quite clearly if the Iranians have not complied with several already existing UN resolutions what makes you think they'll comply with this latest agreement as well as what do you think the Iranian Commander is alluding to when he alludes to "options under the table"...

If Iran has (evidently) broken the already existing UN resolutions and have just threatened the West - who've pinned their hopes on Iran's compliance to the nuc deal with options against Iran, including a military one, if they don't comply - by retaliating with "options under the table." What "options under the table" do you think the Iranian Commander is alluding to?

So, undisputable proof...

..."United Nations Security Council Resolution 1929 – passed on 9 June 2010. Banned Iran from participating in any activities related to ballistic missiles..."...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iran

In light of the images and link(s) I've posted up thread, whaddya think. Has Iran complied with this UN resolution?

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1984 – passed on 9 June 2011 and United Nations Security Council Resolution 2049 – passed on 7 June 2012 extended the Resolutions and sanctions so it's not like they missed 'not allowed to procure, develop or otherwise participate in any activities related to ballistic missiles', in the fine print, right?

Perhaps that is in part why the deal was struck, because we knew they had some serious capability, to which the military option just wasn't going to turn out to be very easy, like it has been in other somewhat defenseless nations.

So why then would Obama and Kerry tell the American public and Congress that if the Iranians don't comply the military option is still on the table?

You are suggesting Obama's assurances were untruthful. Designed to give a false sense of security to those that opposed his agreement to get it ratified even though he knew the ability to deal with any non compliance by Iran wasn't going to be as easy as he assured it would be.

That said, I feel exactly the same about the ridiculous crap posted by quite a few posters here, so I will continue to do what I can to set the record a little straighter, according to what I see as accurate!

Well, here's your chance! Answer the questions in the above quote and clarify, explain or defend the "ridiculous crap" you've posted and set the record straight. Go on, give it a try. They're your asinine assertions/arguments defending the aggressor nations you've been rooting for and defending, after all. That's all I've been asking you to do, isn't it?

Fear not, you won't be given the chance to 'ignore'.

Well, I'll be. Just look at that...Mr. Russian Troll declares his true intentions and actually admits he's going to continue trolling my posts...This is the first reasonably truthful and accurate statement you've posted on this forum in weeks.

Brass

[fathertime]

Well, I'll be. Just look at that...Mr. Russian Troll declares his true intentions and actually admits he's going to continue trolling my posts...This is the first reasonably truthful and accurate statement you've posted on this forum in weeks.

Brass

What an odd interpretation, typical for you, and probably the reason why you would have us in 5 different wars by now.  I never stated I was going to 'troll' your posts....that is YOUR take on it, because you are always going to take a competing idea as an attack....it goes to your mental state.   That shall remain your problem, but yes, there will be lots of  'attacks' then! LOL.   
Fathertime! 

[Brasscasing]

What an odd interpretation, typical for you, and probably the reason why you would have us in 5 different wars by now.  I never stated I was going to 'troll' your posts....that is YOUR take on it, because you are always going to take a competing idea as an attack....it goes to your mental state.   That shall remain your problem, but yes, there will be lots of  'attacks' then! LOL.   
Fathertime!

Woah, talk about back peddling, LOL. So explain to me how else I should interpret your comically moronic threat.

Let's review...

I can try, Gator. I can only manage to hold my cyber nose for so long when he stinks up legitimate topics with his poopy fallacies and misinformation though. 

And your unsolicited interjection to my response to Gator's post...

Fear not, you won't be given the chance to 'ignore'.

Seems pretty straight forward to me. But this is another great opportunity to set the record straight! Enlighten me.

Speaking of setting the record straight. I see you've totally avoided answering to the first part of my post above again.

So much for...

I will continue to do what I can to set the record a little straighter, according to what I see as accurate!

   

Brass

[fathertime]

Woah, talk about back peddling, LOL. So explain to me how else I should interpret your comically moronic threat.

Let's review...

And your unsolicited interjection to my response to Gator's post...

Seems pretty straight forward to me. But this is another great opportunity to set the record straight! Enlighten me.

Speaking of setting the record straight. I see you've totally avoided answering to the first part of my post above again.

So much for...   

Brass

I guess I should be glad you consider my post a 'threat'.  As I mentioned earlier, it goes to your mentality, and demonstrates the earlier point which is....to you, any competing idea is a threat.    What a frightened little world that must be!   


Fathertime!   


 

[Brasscasing]

I guess I should be glad you consider my post a 'threat'. 

Let's be clear now, you should be glad I consider your post a "comically moronic" threat.

As I mentioned earlier, it goes to your mentality, and demonstrates the earlier point which is....to you, any competing idea is a threat.    What a frightened little world that must be!   

In other words you can't come up with a denial to explain away your comically moronic threat .

Brass

[fathertime]

Let's be clear now, you should be glad I consider your post a "comically moronic" threat.

In other words you can't come up with a denial to explain away your comically moronic threat .

Brass

Yup it is funny that you tremble over competing ideas, and mindsets. Of course you will get your fill.   


Fathertime!   

[Brasscasing]

Yup it is funny that you tremble over competing ideas, and mindsets. Of course you will get your fill.   

You haven't presented any competing ideas just uniformed biased, regurgitated, seditious 'I hate the West' propaganda and unabashed Putin fluffing/worship that's easily debunked and brushed aside.

Now, we've already firmly established that it's you who absolutely refuses/can't answer, clarify or defend questions pertaining to your 'ideas' or 'mindset'. Seeing as I've been quite able to substantiate my 'ideas' and 'mindset' on every occasion you've trolled me thus far, I would say it's you that's actually "trembling".

Brass

 

[fathertime]

You haven't presented any competing ideas just uniformed biased, regurgitated, seditious 'I hate the West' propaganda and unabashed Putin fluffing/worship that's easily debunked and brushed aside.

Now, we've already firmly established that it's you who absolutely refuses/can't answer, clarify or defend questions pertaining to your 'ideas' or 'mindset'. Seeing as I've been quite able to substantiate my 'ideas' and 'mindset' on every occasion you've trolled me thus far, I would say it's you that's actually "trembling".

Brass

 

There you go again, fantasizing about putin fluffers....you mind goes to weird places. 


Actually I don't feel the need to substantiate my ideas any further to your satisfaction.  I am glad you have tried to make your case, since I don't feel it is very strong, I feel comfortable leaving it at that.   


I'm fairly sure there will be another issue sooner or later, we shall see how you do there...I would expect to see more  goofy 'putin fluffer', 'russian troll' type responses though.   


Fathertime! 

[Brasscasing]

There you go again, fantasizing about putin fluffers....you mind goes to weird places. 

Actually I don't feel the need to substantiate my ideas any further to your satisfaction.  I am glad you have tried to make your case, since I don't feel it is very strong, I feel comfortable leaving it at that.  

I'm fairly sure there will be another issue sooner or later, we shall see how you do there...I would expect to see more  goofy 'putin fluffer', 'russian troll' type responses though.   

In other words You can't clarify/substantiate/defend your asinine statements above.

You should have just admitted at the beginning they (your assertions) were nothing more than "I hate the West" rhetoric and Putin/aggressor nation fluffing.

I hope you've learned using my quotes as segues to interject uninformed belligerent comments on legitimate discussion topics is not the most prudent course of action for you to take, Mr. Russian Troll. It'll come back to bite you every time.

The rest of your narrative is just more of your deflection and not worth answering to at this point.

Brass

[fathertime]

In other words You can't clarify/substantiate/defend your asinine statements above.

You should have just admitted at the beginning they (your assertions) were nothing more than "I hate the West" rhetoric and Putin/aggressor nation fluffing.

I hope you've learned using my quotes as segues to interject uninformed belligerent comments on legitimate discussion topics is not the most prudent course of action for you to take, Mr. Russian Troll. It'll come back to bite you every time.

The rest of your narrative is just more of your deflection and not worth answering to at this point.

Brass

you MUST be kidding!   


Fathertime! 

[JayH]

Moscow's military intervention in Ukraine and Syria pushed London to freeze diplomatic ties

Diplomatic relations between Britain and Russia have sunk to new lows over Moscow's military intervention in Syria and Ukraine.

Russian ambassador to London Alexander Yakovenko reported that information to The Times newspaper, adding that all political ties have been cut and ‘the only sphere left is culture'.
Alexander Yakovenko, Russia's ambassador to London: "Practically all political contacts were abruptly broken off at Britain's initiative; political dialogue has gone at the top level, between the leaders. At the ministerial level there is also stagnation. This began with the Syria conflict, but we felt it especially after the Ukrainian crisis."

London cut all ties with Moscow, only culture left: Russian envoy
The number of Russian embassy employees in London has also decreased over the past year, according to Yakovenko, who also said that Britain is refusing to grant visas to the workers.

The Kremlin has been quick to blame London for the deteriorating ties. Dmitry Peskov, the Russian president's spokesman, added that London had cut contacts some time ago, but did not give details.



http://uatoday.tv/politics/london-cut-all-ties-with-moscow-only-culture-left-russian-envoy-521105.html

[Brasscasing]

you MUST be kidding!   

Not even a little bit.

Brass

[AkMike]

Bloomberg: Turkey files gas price claim against Gazprom as pipe talk stalls


Turkey filed a natural gas pricing claim against Russia, as talks over a Black Sea link that would bypass Ukraine stalled

Botas Boru Hatlari Ile Petrol Tasima AS notified on Monday (October 26) an export arm of Russia's Gazprom PJSC that it is seeking a price revision dating back to December, the Ankara-based energy company said Tuesday (October 27) in a statement.

Russian President Vladimir Putin promised a 10 percent discount to Botas, which buys about two thirds of Russian gas supplied to the country, before talks on the pipeline stalled in the summer.

There's still a possibility for both out-of-court accord or arbitration ruling on the case, Sergei Kupriyanov, a Gazprom spokesman in Moscow, said Tuesday by phone.

Turkey is the second-largest foreign market for Gazprom after Germany with about billion in revenue last year. Russia's military build up in Syria also contributed to the tensions with Turkey earlier this month.

http://uatoday.tv/business/bloomberg-turkey-files-gas-price-claim-against-gazprom-as-pipe-talk-stalls-521717.html

[fathertime]

Not even a little bit.

Brass

....It is likely you will be busy then....lets remember, your silly eruption commenced with me merely posting "Good". 


Fathertime!   

[Brasscasing]

....It is likely you will be busy then....lets remember, your silly eruption commenced with me merely posting "Good". 

You've already tried this diversion tactic unsuccessfully up thread. Are you posting drunk again?

And only you would consider this statement as "blowing up like an angry time bomb" when in fact it's simply pointing out you've already been hoist on your own petard interjecting boneheaded comments on the topic I linked.

Seems to me you should be trying to extract yourself from the corner you argued yourself into here instead of making more uninformed comments on this topic, eh? 

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=20188.msg416049#msg416049

Brass

[fathertime]

You've already tried this diversion tactic unsuccessfully up thread. Are you posting drunk again?
Seems to me you should be trying to extract yourself from the corner you argued yourself into here instead of making more uninformed comments on this topic, eh? 

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=20188.msg416049#msg416049

Brass

It is humorous that you constantly quote your 'highly esteemed' self as a form of 'evidence'!   


GOOD!  LOL

Fathertime! 

[Brasscasing]

It is humorous that you constantly quote your 'highly esteemed' self as a form of 'evidence'!   


GOOD!  LOL

Of course I'll quote myself in this case. It's my response (quote) to your original interjection of "good" that is the 'evidence', proving that your accusations of "silly eruption" and the earlier "blowing up like an angry time bomb" are out and out falsehoods. 

Opp. Seems Mr. Russian Troll is having a temper tantrum. 

Brass

[fathertime]

Of course I'll quote myself in this case. It's my response (quote) to your original interjection of "good" that is the 'evidence', proving that your accusations of "silly eruption" and the earlier "blowing up like an angry time bomb" are out and out falsehoods. 

Opp. Seems Mr. Russian Troll is having a temper tantrum. 

Brass

I'm pretty sure it is clear by all the name calling, who has been having the temper tantrums.   


Good!


Fathertime! 

[Brasscasing]

I'm pretty sure it is clear by all the name calling, who has been having the temper tantrums.   


Good!

So we've now come to the point where you've nothing left to troll me with but these idiotic one line retorts.

Please continue to post "good" in either ridiculously large font or with exclamation marks in your childish manner for as long as you like. It makes no difference to me as you're just as incapable of substantiating your nonsensical outburst now as you were when you originally posted it. 

Brass 

[Larry1]

Internet freedom in Russia has deteriorated this year, according to ratings by the Freedom House monitoring organization, dropping to "not free" in 2015 from "partly free" in 2014.

Russia scored 62 this year in the ratings released Wednesday by the U.S.-based nongovernmental organization, compared to 60 last year. The scale runs from 0, or complete freedom, to 100, or total government oppression.

Factors contributing to the deterioration of online freedom in Russia included a law, signed by President Vladimir Putin in late 2013, that allows the government to blacklist websites deemed to contain extremist content or calls for unauthorized rallies. As well as violence against online journalists, there is another new law requiring popular bloggers to register with the government as media outlets, Freedom House said in its report.

"Russia's environment for Internet freedom declined significantly as the government took multiple steps to increase control over the online sphere, particularly in advance of the Sochi Olympic Games in February 2014 and throughout the ongoing crises in Crimea and eastern Ukraine," the report said.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russias-internet-freedom-deteriorates-to-a-not-free-rating/540656.html

I wonder how effective The Great Firewall of China has been?