More Bad News for Russia

[fathertime]

So we've now come to the point where you've nothing left to troll me with but these idiotic one line retorts.

Please continue to post "good" in either ridiculously large font or with exclamation marks in your childish manner for as long as you like. It makes no difference to me as you're just as incapable of substantiating your nonsensical outburst now as you were when you originally posted it. 

Brass

As I already mentioned numerous times, I've stated and substantiated what I felt was important.  I'm not too concerned about everything you find important, as you have shown yourself to be way too 'patriotic' and/or biased to take in the other side of a discussion anyway.  Overall, I'm pleased with how the conversation went, and the position I've taken on the several key issues.   Yeah, Canada has likely elected less of a war hawk....good!  Is that big enough?

Fathertime! 

[Brasscasing]

I wonder exactly what you think they are in for.

It's not a topic you'd understand.

Brass

[fathertime]

It's not a topic you'd understand.

Brass

oh, now YOU are afraid to 'substantiate' your statement.  haha.   


Fathertime!

[Brasscasing]

As I already mentioned numerous times, I've stated and substantiated what I felt was important. I'm not too concerned about everything you find important, as you have shown yourself to be way too 'patriotic' and/or biased to take in the other side of a discussion anyway.  Overall, I'm pleased with how the conversation went, and the position I've taken on the several key issues.   Yeah, Canada has likely elected less of a war hawk....good!  Is that big enough?

LOL, amazing. You manage to contradict yourself and illustrate your hypocrisy in one sentence.

..."I'm not too concerned about everything you find important,"...

..."as you have shown yourself to be way too 'patriotic' and/or biased to take in the other side of a discussion anyway."...

So while you're not concerned about what I find important, according to you, I should be taking in the other side (in other words your side) of the discussion, right? Well, I just might if you presented a viewpoint that had some merit.

On the other hand  I am concerned about the asinine assertions and untruthful statements you find it necessary to deposit on the various discussions as you have shown yourself to be a seditious Putin fluffing Russian troll who has never presented "the other side of a discussion", only antagonistic, belligerent mis/disinformation.

As I already mentioned numerous times, I've stated and substantiated what I felt was important.

Well you've certainly "stated" but, as I've now established on this and other threads, you haven't "substantiated" anything. Why? Because when you're caught out posting false facts and fallacious assertions you simply can't substantiate, you resort to deflection and misrepresentation. This entire thread being another example.

I agree with you here though, you do "feel" it "important" to disrupt the various discussions with your subversive "I hate the US and it's allies" nonsensical interjections. As I commented earlier, your compulsion to denigrate the US and it's supporters must be motivated by hatred or ignorance, I hope it's the latter.

Yeah, Canada has likely elected less of a war hawk....[/size]good!  Is that big enough?

Yes, I get you're trying desperately to find something...anything to regain some iota of credibility. However, sticking "good" behind any ol' sentence you've posted  wont help.

Now how about substantiating the "good" you interjected using my quote as your segue to start your trolling spree in the first place? Oh, that's right. You've already demonstrated you can't.

Brass

[fathertime]

LOL, amazing. You manage to contradict yourself and illustrate your hypocrisy in one sentence.

..."I'm not too concerned about everything you find important,"...

..."as you have shown yourself to be way too 'patriotic' and/or biased to take in the other side of a discussion anyway."...

So while you're not concerned about what I find important, according to you, I should be taking in the other side (in other words your side) of the discussion, right? Well, I just might if you presented a viewpoint that had some merit.

On the other hand  I am concerned about the asinine assertions and untruthful statements you find it necessary to deposit on the various discussions as you have shown yourself to be a seditious Putin fluffing Russian troll who has never presented "the other side of a discussion", only antagonistic, belligerent mis/disinformation.

Well you've certainly "stated" but, as I've now established on this and other threads, you haven't "substantiated" anything. Why? Because when you're caught out posting false facts and fallacious assertions you simply can't substantiate, you resort to deflection and misrepresentation. This entire thread being another example.

I agree with you here though, you do "feel" it "important" to disrupt the various discussions with your subversive "I hate the US and it's allies" nonsensical interjections. As I commented earlier, your compulsion to denigrate the US and it's supporters must be motivated by hatred or ignorance, I hope it's the latter.

Yes, I get you're trying desperately to find something...anything to regain some iota of credibility. However, sticking "good" behind any ol' sentence you've posted  wont help.

How about substantiating the "good" you interjected using my quote as your segue to start your trolling spree in the first place? Oh. that's right. You've already demonstrated you can't.

Brass

This long-winded diatribe just represents that you disagree with me, but not only that, but will do what you feel you need to to discredit the person giving the viewpoint.  I'm curious to see where you go next, although the viewpoint(and explanations when necessary) will of course live on! 


Fathertime!

[Brasscasing]

oh, now YOU are afraid to 'substantiate' your statement.  haha.   

There are two examples substantiating "exactly" what I was referring to (that I've posted) above your now second attempt at trolling my posts on this topic. Are you blind as well as ignorant?

Brass

[fathertime]

There are two examples substantiating "exactly" what I was referring to (that I've posted) above your now second attempt at trolling my posts on this topic. Are you blind as well as ignorant?

Brass

I don't think you put into words what your fears are, quoting an article isn't the same as posting your own thoughts, unless you wrote the article.   So why the hesitation?  What is Canada 'in for'? There is no wrong answer, you are merely stating your opinion, which I might add you are fully entitled to do! 


Fathertime!   

[Brasscasing]

This long-winded diatribe just represents that you disagree with me, but not only that, but will do what you feel you need to to discredit the person giving the viewpoint.  I'm curious to see where you go next, although the viewpoint(and explanations when necessary) will of course live on! 

And as usual this short winded deflection neither addresses or rebuts anything in my comments you've quoted. It's just more fathertime blather designed to muddy the fact you can neither answer to, or substantiate, your trolling interjections and aggressor nation propaganda. If you want credibility then answer the questions I've put to you 

Brass

[fathertime]

And as usual this short winded deflection neither addresses or rebuts anything in my comments you've quoted. It's just more fathertime blather designed to muddy the fact you can neither answer to, or substantiate, your trolling interjections and aggressor nation propaganda. If you want credibility then answer the questions I've put to you 

Brass

I think I've already stated that I am not interested in gaining 'credibility' from you.  Given your perspective, and with the viewpoint I've already expressed, 'credibility' will not be possible, nor is it important for me to have in your eyes.


 
Yes I'm happy that Canada has elected someone less hawkish.  I see that as the legitimate byproduct of the people's desires.  There really isn't much more that needed to be stated.  Apparently this is bothersome to you, but I think it is just the election result that has you down. 


Fathertime! 

[Brasscasing]

I don't think you put into words what your fears are, quoting an article isn't the same as posting your own thoughts, unless you wrote the article.   So why the hesitation?  What is Canada 'in for'? There is no wrong answer, you are merely stating your opinion, which I might add you are fully entitled to do! 

I don't recall alluding to "fear". Fear and cowardice are your thing, not mine.

As for the rest I understand you've now met your match in me with your habitual trolling and Putin fluffing you splash about the forum.

However, before entering into another 7 or 8 pages of deconstructing your deflection and misrepresentations. How about you answer the questions I've put to you first then I'll be happy to expand on my opinion.

This doesn't mean I won't expand on my own statements as time permits and I feel necessary but it certainly won't be because of your amateur attempt at deflection and trying to draw attention from your own embarrassing predicament next door on the other thread. 

Brass

[fathertime]

I don't recall alluding to "fear". Fear and cowardice are your thing, not mine.

 

Of course you don't recall, you would not like that word attached to you...BUT that is exactly what it is.  Fear.  You don't have to admit it, but that is what it is. You do FEAR something about the policy going forward, and would like a different course of action, based on that fear.   

As for the rest I understand you've now met your match in me with your habitual trolling and Putin fluffing you splash about the forum.

However, before entering into another 7 or 8 pages of deconstructing your deflection and misrepresentations. How about you answer the questions I've put to you first then I'll be happy to expand on my opinion.

This doesn't mean I won't expand on my own statements as time permits and I feel necessary but it certainly won't be because of your amateur attempt at deflection and trying to draw attention from your own embarrassing predicament next door on the other thread. 

Brass

I actually have no idea what you are referring to on 'the other thread'.  I recall feeling fine with the position I took wherever the discussion was left off at, with no need for further explanations.


 Expand on your opinion, or don't.  I was giving you the opportunity to present your case  if you like...but if you prefer not to, that is ok too. 


Fathertime!

[Brasscasing]

I think I've already stated that I am not interested in gaining 'credibility' from you.  Given your perspective, and with the viewpoint I've already expressed, 'credibility' will not be possible, nor is it important for me to have in your eyes.

Then you admit this constant responding to (and derailing) topics you keep interjecting yourself into using my quotes is nothing more than attention seeking and disruption.

 
Yes I'm happy that Canada has elected someone less hawkish.  I see that as the legitimate byproduct of the people's desires.  There really isn't much more that needed to be stated.  Apparently this is bothersome to you, but I think it is just the election result that has you down. 

What's "bothersome" is you interjecting boneheaded comments using my quotes as segues then when asked to substantiate or qualify your assertion you try to change the premise of the your interjection to something else. Classic Russian troll stuff...unfortunately (for you), you're just really lousy at it.

Brass

[Brasscasing]

Of course you don't recall, you would not like that word attached to you...BUT that is exactly what it is.  Fear.  You don't have to admit it, but that is what it is. You do FEAR something about the policy going forward, and would like a different course of action, based on that fear.   

I don't recall it because I've not used it. This is just you resorting to your troll tactic of misrepresentation and out and out lies in an attempt to save what little credibility you think you may still have. It's pure fantasy and topic derailment.

I actually have no idea what you are referring to on 'the other thread'.  I recall feeling fine with the position I took wherever the discussion was left off at, with no need for further explanations.

Then you are again being untruthful as I've linked it several times...

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=20199.msg416492#msg416492

There it is again for you to later claim you have no idea what I'm referring to, LOL.

Expand on your opinion, or don't.  I was giving you the opportunity to present your case  if you like...but if you prefer not to, that is ok too. 

The "opportunity" is not yours to give. As I've already mentioned you have neither the knowledge or understanding to even make this statement. It lends itself to your bombastic arrogance which continues to make a fool out of you.

Brass

[fathertime]

I don't recall it because I've not used it. This is just you resorting to your troll tactic of misrepresentation and out and out lies in an attempt to save what little credibility you think you may still have. It's pure fantasy and topic derailment.

Of course you haven't used the term 'fear', because you don't want to be seen as being scared.  In my opinion, that is what drives the types of aggressive militaristic policies you seem to want to see implemented. 

Then you are again being untruthful as I've linked it several times...

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=20199.msg416492#msg416492

There it is again for you to later claim you have no idea what I'm referring to, LOL.

You seem to think there is something important about the jumbled up post. I don't see it though.  Maybe if you boil down your 'question' I can comment, because I simply don't see whatever you are asking.

The "opportunity" is not yours to give. As I've already mentioned you have neither the knowledge or understanding to even make this statement. It lends itself to your bombastic arrogance which continues to make a fool out of you.

Brass

I take it you are a little concerned about how your response will be received.  I guess you lack the confidence to give a direct answer, because if you had one, you wouldn't be concerned about what you term 'my bombastic response', but what I would term counterpoints.   


Fathertime!   

[fathertime]

Then you admit this constant responding to (and derailing) topics you keep interjecting yourself into using my quotes is nothing more than attention seeking and disruption.

What's "bothersome" is you interjecting boneheaded comments using my quotes as segues then when asked to substantiate or qualify your assertion you try to change the premise of the your interjection to something else. Classic Russian troll stuff...unfortunately (for you), you're just really lousy at it.

Brass

I respond without permission to anybody's post, yours included.  I'm pretty sure you just don't like that there are reasonable responses to points that you have deemed to be unequivocal.      It just makes it easy for you to plant a label like 'Russian troll' in order to discredit....it won't do the job though.   


Fathertime!   

[AkMike]

Russia no longer superpower

30.10.2015 | 12:30

Russia is no longer a superpower as its deteriorating economy is ranked "somewhere behind Spain," and Moscow's influence is limited compared to the erstwhile Soviet Union, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest told reporters on Thursday, according to NDTV.

"Russia is no longer a superpower. Observed in the last couple of weeks that the condition of Russia's economy is weak and further deteriorating," Earnest said, the report reads.

"They are now the 15th-largest economy in the world, and they rank somewhere behind Spain," he said.

Earnest said Russia does not have the kind of influence that the Soviet Union once did and it does not have the kind of economic power that the Soviet Union once was able to flex.

"Their economy is getting worse, and Russia is isolated in a significant way. Not just from countries in Europe, but, as they get further engaged in a sectarian quagmire inside of Syria, they're finding that the only friends that they have there to fight in a difficult fight with them is a floundering Syrian government and the Iranian regime," he said.
Read more on UNIAN: http://www.unian.info/world/11...nger-superpower.html

[Muzh]

I'd be a little reluctant quoting news coming out of Ukraine's media. Things that are happening inside the country and posted on Unian, Zik, KP, and others should not be taken as gospel.


Just a cautionary advise. 

[AkMike]

Then it's a good thing that I'm NOT you. Just a cautionary observation. 




"But the Cold War -- I’m certainly no historian, but the Cold War was characterized by two international superpowers who were in a sort of global test that was backed by the threat of the use of nuclear weapons. 

The situation today is much different than that.  Russia is no longer a superpower -- observed in the last couple of weeks that the condition of Russia’s economy is weak and further deteriorating.  They are now the 15th largest economy in the world, and they rank somewhere behind Spain.  And their economy is getting worse.  And Russia is isolated in a significant way -- not just from countries in Europe, but as they get further engaged in a sectarian quagmire inside of Syria, they’re finding that the only friends that they have there to fight in a difficult fight with them are -- is a floundering Syrian government and the Iranian regime.

So Russia does not have the same kind of influence around the globe that the Soviet Union once did.  Russia does not have the kind of economic power that the Soviet Union once was able to flex.  And clearly the relationship between our two countries has been significantly affected by that because in that time period the influence of the United States has only increased and been enhanced.  Our economy continues to get stronger.  And that isn’t just good for the American people, it also enhances our international influence, as well."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/10/29/press-briefing-press-secretary-josh-earnest-10292015

[AkMike]

Russian airliner crashes in central Sinai - Egyptian PM

A Russian airliner has crashed in central Sinai with more than 200 people on board, the office of Egypt's prime minister has confirmed.

The Airbus A-321 had just taken off from the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, on its way to the Russian city of St Petersburg.

Egyptian media reports said wreckage of the plane had already been found and at least 20 ambulances sent to the scene.

Most of the passengers are said to be Russian tourists.

The plane was operated by the small Russian airline Kogalymavia, based in western Siberia. Latest reports say it was carrying 217 passengers and seven crew.

Initially there were conflicting reports about the fate of the plane, some suggesting it had disappeared over Cyprus.

But the office of Egyptian Prime Minister Sharif Ismail confirmed in a statement that a "Russian civilian plane... crashed in the central Sinai".

It added that Mr Ismail had formed a crisis committee to deal with the crash.

The Russian aviation authority Rosaviatsiya said in a statement that flight 7K 9268 left Sharm el-Sheikh at 06:51 Moscow time (03:51 GMT) and had been due into St Petersburg's Pulkovo airport at 12:10.

The authority added that the aircraft failed to make scheduled contact with Cyprus air traffic control 23 minutes after take-off and disappeared from the radar.

A centre to help relatives of the passengers has been set up at Pulkovo airport, Tass news agency quoted St Peterburg city officials as saying.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34687139

[tfcrew]

All passengers were killed, the Russian Embassy in Cairo said on Twitter.

video...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/31/middleeast/egypt-plane-crash/index.html

[ML]

ISIS is now claiming credit for shooting down the plane.

In revenge for Russian bombing in Syria, et al.

But 'experts' questioning if they had equipment to do so in Sinai.

[Boethius]

I'd be a little reluctant quoting news coming out of Ukraine's media. Things that are happening inside the country and posted on Unian, Zik, KP, and others should not be taken as gospel.


Just a cautionary advise. 

Agree 100%.   One must know who owns a particular Ukrainian media source, and their political leanings.  Many Ukrainian papers are far from neutral.

Slumba was posting about the high level of education of FSUW.  Read the comments in any section of a Russian or Ukrainian paper, and the absurdity of that statement will be evident. 

[Anathema]

It was at 31,000 feet, went from 400 knots to 93 knots in one minute, descended at 6,000 FPM, and bodies were strewn across 3 miles?  I'd say that's pretty good indication of being shot down or an explosion (bomb) on board.    Sad; RIP to the victims.

[Boethius]

Another theory is a previous accident.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/31/did-accident-from-14-years-ago-doom-russian-plane-over-egypt.html

[Anathema]

Either way, at least we can count on Russia to tell everyone the truth after the investigation.