3 work to eliminate any agency from your communication

[KenC]

Bruno,

First of all, I have no desire to get into your pissing match with Marc, but when people post things that I know first hand to be untrue, it is my duty to this forum to say so.

 

[user=16]Bruno[/user] wrote:



KenC, you say you have use these service... can you say when... the agency have always the same name but a lot of change have appear these last year... two time new owner, the good original staff away for buid a new site  http://www.tverromance.com , visit it and you go see that the service are the same that Marc but nowhere they say bad thing of all other agency ... and the agency policy is very explicit...

I used LTP some time ago and there were different owners, but Marc was the manager of the office in Tver at the time.

Marc is only after money, he have only beautiful top model ( for attract client ) ... remeber his post about fat of old woman.... the other agency give his chance to everywoman... you have some woman who are not so beautifull... if you fall in love of photo, go to Marc... if you fall in love of woman, go to the other...

That Marc is only after money is a blatant lie.  I have found Marc to be very sincere in his efforts to please both the men and women associated with his agency.  To have beautiful women listed on your site is not a negative, but a positive attribute to the agency.  I did fall in love with a photo and then with the woman in the photo.  Marc and others at LTP only cautioned me for my own good.  I have met Marc in person and I have delt with his agency directly and no one could ever convince me that both are anything less than competely honorable.

And more, Marc is friendly like a cactus... he fell itself attack by each post same when i write that it is general and not about him... there is no smoke without fire... something is wrong with these guys and i don't trust him...

The only problem I see here is that you, Bruno are too much like Marc.  You are both passioante about your business beliefs and you both struggle with English.

KenC

[Marc Dayton]

o.K. comming soon the true history of Lifetime Partners. My 10 years working with LTP, and liveing in Russia, My Marriage to A Russian woman, and first child who just had her 5th birthday.

Marc and his story to become 50% co-owner of the new Lifetime Partner & the starting of Goldenringbrides.

I think its called the American Dream to better one sleff.

 

[Bruno]

KenC, i think that you have right... maybe Marc is passionate like me... and you know what two magnet are not good oriented... they repulse each other... and this have grow with the time...

My reaction was based on a agency who work like him BUT IT IS NOT HIM...

Marc, if you agree, maybe we can sign the peace... in the interest of the forum and the newbies... we have to opposite side of view and no one is bad... until ourself are honest... we have enough work for fight again the real bad one for not fight between us.

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o.K. comming soon the true history of Lifetime Partners. My 10 years working with LTP, and liveing in Russia, My Marriage to A Russian woman, and first child who just had her 5th birthday. Marc and his story to become 50% co-owner of the new Lifetime Partner & the starting of Goldenringbrides.  I think its called the American Dream to better one sleff.
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Let's go, it can be very interesting... and it can allow me to know the man in place of only the business...

Marc, if you wish, we can ask to Dan for remove our bad previous post... it is nothing interesting for other... but i am sure that your true story can be very interesting.

[Marc Dayton]

Part # 1

 

My Story and the history of Lifetime Partners.

 

In 1994 I was a Yellow page salesmen working for one of the big book's not the main book. I was living in Millbrae Calif. From my patio each morning I would watch the San Francisco airport with coffee in hand wondering like most of you why am I alone what's wrong with me. I made about 40K per year not a lot, but enough to have a good apartment; I had good friends, but no real romance in my life.

 

One of my deer friends of 20 years name Janice was always amazed that I was not dating anyone special. Will one day she, and her husband, and some other friends came over for a small party   Monday Night Football. At the end of the night she started telling me about her trip to Russia, and told me about a Russian Family, and she felt this was something I should look into. The last thing I had ever thought of doing was going to Russia in search of a wife.

 

Know in March of 1994 I found Lifetime Partners, and just went to take a look at the service, and what they were offering. My mind set as a salesman was this was going to be a total waste of time. I spent about two hours in the LTP office looking at video's and photo bios of the Russian girl's was amazed, and wile I was their two men came in with their Russian Wife's I was floored by the sweetness of these ladies.

 

Still not wanting to believe this would work for me I became a member, and started working on Clarke to give me a part time job working as salesmen for him. I wanted to see for myself if this was true or just B.S.

 

 I made friends with a rep by the name of Larry one way or the other I was going to find out how real this was. Well I did not know it at the time, but the hook was set for me the desire to be a father was the driving force that drove me. I played hooky from work every chance I got. I was spending more time at LTP the selling my yellow pages I went from the top salesmen to lousing all interests in my job. Soon Clarke gave me a job with LTP. I was making video tapes and sending them by mail to all the members of LTP.

 

Soon I was fired from my yellow page job, and went to work for LTP full time.

 

Next the ups and downs of working for LTP, and living out of the LTP office in Santa Clara Ca. My first trip to Tver, and the worst heart break of my life.

[Jack]

Pursuit for a Russian Bride part 78. The marriage agency.
 
 
I have just read most the post's on this thread.
 
If I might briefly summarize.
 
Marc reads number three of the Ten Commandments.  "Work to eliminate any agency from your communications". Marc is a little irritated at this commandment as it goes against the nature of the way he runs his business and as such Marc voice his opinion.
 
Bruno comes from a different camp and feels it is better when an agency allows the ladies addresses, phone numbers, to be exchanged.
 
The two of differing points of views.
 
Owners of marriage agencies have different means and methods in which they operate and their are many different models out there.
 
I have my own preferred method of managing and running a Russian marriage agency. I prefer to sell the ladies address to the men. And if the lady has a phone number and e-mail and wish to include it, they are also included at no extra expense with each address. I also prefer men to communicate directly with the ladies and our agency not be in the middle of two people communicating but to offer help and support when asked. This method has it's strength and weakness.
 
Some agencies prefer to help their ladies to communicate directly with men who have interest in them and as part of this process the men do not have the ladies home address or phone number to communicate with directly. This method also has it's strength and weakness'.
 
In the past and even today their are some very scrupulous marriage agencies who use this particular method to scam.
 
Bruno, with his mindset, thinks this is bad and certainly has the right to express his opinion has such and in 90% of the cases he is correct with his assumption. Bruno however does not have the right to make in-accurate statements about Marc or his marriage agency.
 
The way I choose to manage my marriage agency is different than the way Marc manages Lifetime Partners. It's different than the way Kevin manages Kherson Girls. It's different than the way Cecil manages Marianna's Marriage agency. Does that make my way of managing my agency wrong if it's different from theirs? Does it make their way wrong if it's different from mine? The answer is no. These, and other individuals, manage and run their agency in the manner in which they feel best.
 
What is important I think is in dealing with agencies that are honest. I may not agree with the way in which Marc and Kevin and Cecil run their business but I will recommend each of them because they are honest and ethical agencies. Our methods are 180 degrees apart, totally different. I have exchanged thoughts, and e-mails and phone calls with all of these guys and we have discussed our difference's and disagreements and pro's and con's to the way we run our business compared to the others. I don't have to like or agree with the way Marc or Kevin run their business but I do respect each of them. I, nor anyone, has the right to tell someone how to run their business. I do believe each to be honest and they have both the men's and the women's best interest in mind.
 
As both have been, and are, successful, hey, maybe their doing something right!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

[Marc Dayton]

Part 2

 

Working for Lifetime Partners: A salesmen's fairytale and heart break.

 

For the next 8 months I could not give this program a way. I was called the worst salesmen in the history of the world by Ray, Clarke's first partner.

 

I went brook fast and found myself living in the office. I join a health club not far a way so I could shower and shave. Something keep driving me knot to give up. I was paid a small salary for doing the video and mail (Food money) 10 years ago LTP was just getting known so there were only commission sales. As I told you I could not give this program a way at that time so I just did what I had to do to survive.

 

Dearing this time I meet couple after couple. First hand I Sean men that went to Russia, and found their further wife's. I was so hooked in this program it became my life. All I could do was live breath, and bleed this program. We started after care programs. We had softball teams that played each week. The men would play wile the Russian Woman would sit in the stands, and talk about their lives in The U.S.A. We had barbeques for the new girls to meet each other. The LTP program was starting to roll. The San Jose news paper did a full page story on LTP, and we were starting to hit the good times.

 

San Francisco T.V. show came out and did the first show on our program. We were doing all things 100% right the foundation for LTP success was know set.

 

Still I could not give this program a way to save my life. I was 100% failing, but could not give up. The dream was my life or was the life just a dream?  One day I meet a Russian Woman in the office. She had came out from are Tver office she was just out of a failed matched, she was all that any man could ever want we hit it off and started dating each other wile she was here for about one week wile she was waiting to go home we spent a lot of time together I just showed her around, and took care of her till she went home.

 

Soon after this things were picking up I was motivated to get to Russia, but I was still living on food money. I made a deal with Clarke on doing videos and mailing out of Fresno Calif. I found a small office in down town Fresno. A total dump, and not in the best part of Fresno either, but I was determined to make this work. So I cleaned this dump up and let me tell you this place was a building that was own by an widow who was just a bit off her rocker, and in the long run turned out to be a night mere.   

 

So Fresno was set, and I started on my first nightmare. I hit the TV stations and news papers The Fresno Bee came out and did a full page story on me. As luck would have it the Fresno county fair also had its opening that same day. So need less to say the story went just about with out anyone paying much attention about it.  

 

Know at the same time in the main LTP program was going strong, we faced are first major set back, Clarke had made a deal with a man Name Alex, to build are first web-site. What happened after that was all bad. Clarke gave Alex 100% control of all sales from the internet. Alex sold lots of trips to Tver, and LTP serviced all these men @ $ 250 per day for 10 days. Alex sent a lot of men to Tver wile Clarke & Ray paid all the bills. Yes you guessed it Alex put the money in his pocket so the story goes. So Clarke and Ray cut him off, and the next thing we new their was a new service in Tver. Alex took all the web-site info and set up shop in Tver.

 

Back in Fresno I had my own problems, The office I had restored in Fresno had a roof that was liking bad, I asked the owner to fix it, but she went crazy and told me to get out. I was not going to leave ! I had a lot in this place, but to make a long story shout she had her handy man take off the patches from the roof that was on it, and baby it was like standing in the rain inside. So I had the police out all they could say is she cant do that, but all you can do is taker her to court.

 

So my first full paid client was a lawyer, so I hired him to take the case to court I had all I needed to sue her socks off. Gave Leonard all the photos of the damage, gave him witness statements of eye witness that Sean her handy man take off the patches of the roof and the back door off and putting it in the handy mans truck so anyone could walk in and I had her cold to wrights. The bad news my first client suffered a heart attack and passed away needless to say I just let it go. That was the end of Fresno.

 

Back to living in the Santa Clara office, and how the hell was I going to get to Russia, well when desperate we do desperate things. Income tax time was how I saw my way to get the money to go. So I lied my ass off on the losses in Fresno and got a refund of 5K and yes I was couth in the long run, and had to file bank ruped.

 

So I paid Ray 50% of the normal trip cost, and started planning my first trip to Russia, and was only going to see one woman the woman I meet in the Santa Clara office. Know you would think what else could go wrong? The girl I was going to meet she got cold feet her ex husband had a fit when he found out I was coming to see her. He told her after her first trip here, and how bad she was treated he would never let her leave Russia with their child. So needless to say she told me not to come for her! Well this set me back I put off my first trip to Russia.

[Marc Dayton]

Part 3

 

The come back and first trip to Russia.

 

As you can understand I was a bit down, but as fait would have it. Clarke calls me into his office one day to tell me about another Russian girl that was here, and having problems he's tells me it was the first girl I had sent a letter too. Asked me If I wanted to meet her she was staying with one of are married couples for two week before she went home. So I meet her, and liked her she was sweet, and acted vary nice.

 

So two weeks latter she was on a plain and back to Russia she went.  After the first girl, I was not going to sit back I had the 5k saved so it was time for the trip to Russia 3 weeks latter I was on the plain. For the second time I was off to see one woman.

 

I will never forget that first landing in Moscow, This was all a dream and as the wheals of that old cargo plain went down my stomach turned into a not what the hell was I doing. This was my first time out of U.S.A. and after all I was about to land in Russia. I guess you could say at that point too late to turn back. I was in shock, and that's the truth. I was not able to sleep much that night, and was sick to my stomach, I had stomach pain that would not quite I couldn't stand or sit if I was in the U.S. I would have gone to the hospital no question about it. Turns out I had drank some bad water, and ran to the bathroom it was all over in seconds. Mt first lesion in Russia was don't! drink the water!

 

Feeling like a new man, I was picked up by the Driver and my interrupter, and off to the old office, and so it begins. Second disappointment the girl calls to say she would be late. Strike one! At 12 we meet for launch, and had a nice time. Strike 2 she asked if I had any gifts for her?  The night went well, but with out any warmth I meet some of her friends and family. Second day she comes to the office about 12 just in time for lunch? We started walking to a restraint she liked. Strike 3 she and the interrupter acted like I was not with them as they walked 10 feet in front of me. I felt like I was some kind of thing just nothing felt right. Hard to explain, but that was the end. There were other things, but will keep it short.

 

Ray sits me down, and gives me the pep talk, and tells me that next time I should listen to him about only meeting one girl. Just what I needed I told you so! He had a point after all he had been just about full time living in Russia for 3 years, and was the founder of LTP I started hearing what he had to say. So we did the birds and the bee's Russian style.

 

The next day I started meeting girls, and wow I was know free and girls were in and out of that office all day long picking up mail and meeting two other men that were there. Nothing special that day so went home like a good boy, and was looking forward to the next day I had about 5 dates set up, and the two girls I liked the best. Date one no show date two no thank you. Date 3 this was a girl the office manager picked for me, and quite the story she had the body of a center fold, and looked like an old fashion school teacher.

 

I must tell this story you want to talk about a fantasies. She came in with a big fur coat and fur hat Told the interrupter to take a hick, as she spoke some English, and off we went talk about aggressive she took my arm, in a nice way she stuck her chest in what was left of my arm and off we went. WOW we stopped at a small restraint, and off came the coat and hat the old fashion school teacher look will turn out to be a total hot baby with a body that was ment to kill. Spandex pants and a tight tiger striped top just as tight.I had never in my life been with a woman like this. This was a woman that if you were not rich in the U.S. would not even look at me. She keep those 38D's wrapped around my arm, and never let go of me. We started walking back to the office, and walked right buy my flat so I told her this was were I was staying wile in Tver. Know at the office back door it was time to say good buy.

 

What happened next was out of this world.

 

She looks up at me , and tells me she know that we would not see each other agen.With these words vary soft she speak have you Sean the movie 9 ½ weeks ( yes ) I have never bean kissed by an American would it be O.K. If I kissed you. Well I ant no fool so the next thing you know we were 100% wrapped up in each other arms just like in the movies, and she was not letting go. I had to stop her just for air I told her if we did not stop we would have to go back to my flat to finish this. She looked at me and told me I can't today. But I will meet you at your flat at 1pm tomorrow, as my tong hit the ground we agreed to meet at 1pm the next day.

 

So I arrange myself and went up stairs to my next shock I was one hour late for my next date she was an angel one of the girls I wanted to meet the most, but she told me that she was not able to stay, and had to go back to work. Talk about a high and them a low from haven to hell in 10 minuets or less. 

 

The next day was a day of waiting was this going to happen would this hard body show up, and come to my door just for sex ? at about 12 I told the office I was going back to my flat to get some sleep I had told no one about this meeting. I don't know if I walked home or ran to my flat. Well on the button 1pm there was a knock at my door not one second late! WOW this must be a dream. 2 hours latter it was time for her to go, I will never forget it she thanked me for a wonderful time and off she went. We never saw each other agen.  To this day I still can't believe the whole thing happen the way it did, and to top it off she thanked me! Never happen in the U.S. Thanking you for sex.

 

I went back to the office at 5pm I was feeling like a real man, meet 2 other girls but nothing special. So went home and just sleep like a baby. The next 2 or 3 days was nothing special, but then in the office one day their was a girl looking at the mens books, all I could see was her back, long dark slightly curly  hair, and a back side to die for there was something just about the way she was standing so soft and so feminine I had not sean her face and new this was special, and when she turned around I had found the woman I wanted if not love at first site it was dam close.

 

More to come soon

[Marc Dayton]

Part 4

 

Was it Love at first site?

 

The next 7 days all I cared about was being with her, I wanted for nothing and nobody I was so into her that life had stopped; I was in love with just the thought of spending the rest of my life with her. We took a short trip to Saint Pete. On the midnight train this was the most romantic night of my life. We rented the whole compartment so it was just me her, and the interrupter. It was getting late so we all got ready for bed, shock I was amazed once more the interrupter and my girl strip down to their underwear for sleeping. This was my first peak at the beauty of my girl, and brining as nice as I am I only peak did not stair.

 

I was wide awake, and tapping with my fingers on the bed, my girl then spoke to the interrupter in Russian, and asked me if there was something wrong. I replied no I was just hopping we would get to cuddle a bit before the night was over. With that my girl patted her mattress with her hand. The interrupter starting laughing, and told me I think she understood the word cuddling with that her blankets was opened, and I was laying next to her, we forgot all about the interrupter, and just held each other kissed all night long.

 

We spent the day in Saint Pete, and went back to Tver that night we did all the paper work that day it was my last day in Tver, the rest is just corny love stuff , and are good buys  I will spare you all of that.

 

The next problem I just got engage, and I was living out of the LTP office so that meant I had to get my shit together and get it together fast. I had about 4 months to have a good home for her and her daughter, talk about presser. Rays words the world's worst salesman in the history of the world, but I knew better, and I think Clarke new it too.

 

When I came back I was a new man, I worked 3 jobs, and had a lot of fun doing it. After all my life was just starting I worked for 7-11 grave yards and morning shifts I worked for the S. F. Giants when in town, and as much time as I could with LTP put a lot of money away fast. Two week before she came I rented a small house in Fresno , Took all the video equipment set up a small office in home, and got ready for the dream I was amazed I had pulled it off with the help of some good friends she would have a nice place to call home.

 

The arrival, WOW there she was stunning she had to be the most beautiful woman in the world. Clarke looked at her and, all he could say was world class. He looked me in the eyes, and congregated me told me that I deserved it.

 

7 days of heaven, and on the 8^th day?

 

To fallow, on Sunday night.

[Bruno]

Marc, great story but maybe you can start a new threat in the "newbies" of "experienced" section for your story... it is very interesting but i don't think that a lot of people go read it here... at the end of our crazy fight... in the administrative section...

[Marc Dayton]

My reaction was based on a agency who work like him BUT IT IS NOT HIM...

Marc, if you agree, maybe we can sign the peace... in the interest of the forum and the newbies... we have to opposite side of view and no one is bad... until ourself are honest... we have enough work for fight again the real bad one for not fight between us.

Bruno,  You looked at my site 100% with the sole intent to find anything you could to turn around and control to you advanage. When you found  nuthing you posted about money something you cant afford, and didnot like so once agen you made a post all about you you you and your feealings and what you think you.

Talking about me is one thing, but talking about my office staff in Russia is 100% out of line, and once agen you shows the world what king of person you are. This is something you would never know about if a Russian woman talks to you about money you run and hide, and call her a scammer, but let that same Russian woman say she has not bean paid, and low and behold she is now a saint, you would be the perfect fool for this scam you would talk the dollars out of your pockett, and tip this poor russian woman 10 times the normal tip. I wonder you sound like you know a good deal about Russian in genarol, but the way you picked my site apart, and went to an exstream effort to pull off old statments from what 4 years ago from the RWL how much of your talk is real, and how much of it is stuff you just are repeting from other Russian boards what exsperance of your's are real and what is just some narrow minded computer freak who is just trying to look like some kind of saint saveing the world?

Bruno You are a danger to new men on this board you know a lot, but you mixed that with what you think you know,and that one day is going to hurt someone.

This is just my thinking that is based on your words in some of your other post. I will be the first one to say I could be 100% wrong, but it is food for thought.

P.S. know you can also with my blessings pick the rest of my post apart the time lines are off and if you compair the DNA you will find out its just a man telling a story from his point of view.

 

 

 

 

[Bruce]

Marc - great story.  In my opinion it would be best for this thread if you and Bruno just agree to disagree, shake hands and move on ie. burry the hatchet, at least for a little while.

[Bruno]

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Bruno,  You looked at my site 100% with the sole intent to find anything you could to turn around and control to you advanage. When you found  nuthing you posted about money something you cant afford, and didnot like so once agen you made a post all about you you you and your feealings and what you think you.
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 Yes, i have search the little detail and use it to fight you... and the price was only a detail... i have wish attack you on the full service... but for me all this is the past... i reconize that my reaction to your words was too much, like your reaction to my post...


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Talking about me is one thing, but talking about my office staff in Russia is 100% out of line, and once agen you shows the world what king of person you are.
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About staff in Russia, maybe it can be interesting start punt for a new topic... not about you personaly... i have not staff in Russia but i believe that the best agency need to have a local staff... i cannot have a staff because my site is free and staff need to be pay... in my previous site, several year ago, some staff was possible, i was with a local contact personne in several city ( post office, local club of woman, club internet, ... they earn money with what pay woman )... but now, since internet have grow in russia and access are more easy, and since the number of agency have grow, these way is not more possible...

But in all case, i consider a staff in Russia a plus point... they are the people who have a direct contact with the woman, they organise the trip and stay...


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but the way you picked my site apart, and went to an exstream effort to pull off old statments from what 4 years ago from the RWL how much of your talk is real, and how much of it is stuff you just are repeting from other Russian boards what exsperance of your's are real and what is just some narrow minded computer freak who is just trying to look like some kind of saint saveing the world?
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Yes, i have attack you personaly in ONE of my post... you have push me to this... and i have see my error about this and propose you to stop the fight... and to be honest, it was not easy to find something for attack you... of course, i have find a lot of complain but almost 90% of these was based on nothing really serious... several customer claim against agency when a relationship lead to a misluck but generaly, the the fault is on the side of the customer... who is not ready for a relation ship.

Maybe you are right about computer freak... but i don't see it like something bad... it allow me to use my knowledge learn before and i have a very good understanding of computer and internet... same from you, i find the "computer freak" like a compliment.

About saving the world, i have not these ambition... it will be good in dream but i am not able to make it...


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Bruno You are a danger to new men on this board you know a lot, but you mixed that with what you think you know,and that one day is going to hurt someone.
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What i think come from what i know... and certainly, i have already hurt some people... and if not hurt, i have shock people... i say always what i think same when it is not good to listen... it is why i have know difficulty for find now a RW... several are shocked with my direct speaking... and now, i have find a good one... all problem are not resolved but we are enough far...

About be a danger for newbies, don't judge me... allow them to judge herself... i try always to post link who prove what i say... sometime, i reply fast and people don't believe me ( by example : what you know from US, your are not American... about law on adoption... it was a other fight ... after a lot of time, i have make post with several link to official web site )... all i know and write is based on my personal experience of on what i have read... and sometime, i begin to be tired for use a lot of time to prove what i say... yes, i am not American, i am not Russian but i make the effort to search the information and try to keep my post short... but people wish that i prove what i say because i am a stranger... it take a lot of time for me only because people are too lazy for learn how to search the right information...

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Marc - great story.  In my opinion it would be best for this thread if you and Bruno just agree to disagree, shake hands and move on ie. burry the hatchet, at least for a little while.
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Yes, great story and about "burry the hatchet"... it is already make on my side some post ago and i hope that with post, he will agree to stop the war... in any case, i will not more fight with him... not that i agree him 100% but because i know that he is one of the good guys ( not a easy one but a good )... our fight was only a benefice for the bad one... and it is what  i certainly not wish... and if he will not stop, i go simply ignore him... in the interest of these forum, and the newbies... with these post, i make my public excuse... we was all the two on the bad way... Marc is free to accept it of not, but for me, the incident is closed...



 

[tim 360]

It is a conundrum,  because to a large degree you are both correct.  If Marc runs an ethical operation at LTP there is nothing wrong with having his own biz model and charging appropiately.  If Bruno believes in a more free-wheeling approach that is fine too.  Each will find adherents and detractors to each agency approach.

The key word for any of these agencies is "ETHICS".  Same for the women and the men who partake of this venture of marriage with a partner 6000 miles away with cultural differences. 

Less than ethical agencies will orchestrate communications.  Some will write letters the woman knows nothing about.  Biz ethics in the FSU are quite different than here,  without a doubt. 

There is a good deal of scamming which goes on with the less than reputable agencies and some of the ladies.  Some is black and white and some is in the gray area.  And some is merely imagined by some guy who knows nothing about women in general and yells "scam".

There are many things at my home in which I am a casual do-it-yourselfer...and there are some things where it is wiser for me to call in an experienced pro to help do the job.  In some things do-it-yourself can be more pricey than hiring experience help.  Good service costs good money,  it is a matter of ones prioritys.

These guys buying addresses and writing letters and contemplating marriage etc,  its funny to me.  Any marriage to anybody will be the biggest investment a guy ever makes Period.  In money, time and energy.  Marriage to an FSU lady will entail higher front-end costs too.

Whether you "do-it-yourself" or hire an "ethical service" it's a decision each guy makes for himself and lives with the results.  Ciao, Tim

 

 

[Marc Dayton]

Tim 360,

That is what its all about, fredom of choice. Your choice to chouse the type os service you feel is best for you, and that applies to me and anyother agency.

I will post next part of LTP,and me late tonight.

 

Thanks Tim

[jb]

Marc,

Did you grow up with a learning disability?  Your posts are next to impossible to figure out.

[Marc Dayton]

JB,

Yes spelling and typing are 100% my weekness, I just don't hide it as most do. I can spell the word for it, but I twist letters, and numbers.

Will post next part of story soon.

 

[jb]

Marc,

It's no big deal, my sister is dyslexic too.  

You can overcome this problem by writing your post in MS Word and using spell/grammer check to proof read your thoughts before you paste into the B/B message window.

For poor spellers, MS Word is a Godsend.

[Marc Dayton]

Part 5

 

7 days of heaven, and on the 8 day ?

 

First I need to go back in time a bit. We talked about Alex setting up a web-site Clarke, and Ray servicing the men in the LTP program. I believe the amount of money in booked trips was over 60K, but this was along time ago so I just don't know if this is 100% correct.

 

Anyway the amount of money that LTP was to be paid for servicing these men was 50% of his internet sales. This money was never paid so it was a big step back for LTP. In the long run LTP keep the site, and Alex opened an agency called Absolute Perfection. At the same time Ray's life was about to change for the best his wife was pregnant. Its was time for Ray to come home, and set up his life and home for his wife and family to be. All of Ray's dreams were all coming true.

 

O.K. Know I am in Fresno in my new place how the above events starting coming into play. Alex burns LTP Ray feeling the presser of being a new daddy, he starts cutting out what he feels he him self can do. This is were the words of the world's worst salesmen in the history of the world came into play to save leads he lay's me off one week after I get my new place and one week before my girl is to land in San Francisco.

 

Rays coming back was the best thing for LTP Clarke was also fighting other personal problems whit family health problems. Most people don't know this, but his parents passed away just before all the problems with Alex starting happening, he was an only child so you can just think about how hard it was on Clarke.

 

I pick my girl up at SF airport flowers in hand, and knowing I did not work full time for LTP I was not about to put my plans on hold this was 100% the wrong thing to do. It was 100% selfish. It just set the stage for the worst hearting in my life.

 

I will also keep this short, on the seventh night we had Champagne toasted to our further and I thought I was on top of the world I still don't know what happened next. That night was the best night in the world. The next mourning at coffee I was told she was going home. I had no clue she was even thinking of going home. All she would say was how could you be so selfish to bring me here I quit my job gave most of my things away to be with you I would have understood if you would have told be we could have waited. I would have waited for you Marc all I could think about you, and being with you ,and you could not talk to me about this first. I could go on, but there is no point to it. I was wrong and she just had her mind set.

 

The iceing on the cake was one final blow as we say goodbye her daughter runs in to my arms crying, and her mother's words I will always remember. I still think you would have been a great father, and off they went never to here of them agene.

 

Next to come- Ray Clarke Larry, and Marc, and The Golden Days. 

 

 Part 6

 

The-Golden Days.

 

The Santa Clara staff of Lifetime Partners

 

Larry- A total through back in time a man that was 100% set in his ways, would take the shirt off his back for any lost sole he came across. You could set the time on your watch by his daily rue teens. He became one of my best friend, and we had some of the best times of my life, we would set each other up with daily joke's non stop. Some of are jokes were just flat out cold, but always with fun in mind.

 

Ray a man on a mission who would be the father of his first born son, the man who started LTP, and the man that saved, and filed each piece of scratch paper with a name or number on it. A true salesman the kind of man who told you one thing, but it meant something 100% deferent to him, but he always had LTP maintaining the highest standard of services to his men.

 

Clarke-The boy next door charm real natural warmth that just charmed you. The kind of guy when you growing up you always picked pick first to be on your team. I can't think of anyone that met him that did not like him. He was a baby faced brain that had a photo graphic memory.

 

Marc- WOW how can I describe me, hard heeded on a planet of his own might be a way to start. In Clarke's words I was nick named the socially challenge one, Rays words the worlds worst salesmen, Larry will his weakness was helping lost soles, and as I told you we became the best of friends. The men I worked with would say not a polish person, but loyal, and committed to this program. He will tell you like it is! like or not that's just the way he is I don't think he could change even if he wanted too. I would say. I were my feelings on my chest, and not afraid to show it.

 

That sets the stage for the Golden Days.

 

Ray is the key, and everything feeds off him, Clarke dose the day to day internet, and bills. Larry is Rays back up sales rep and Clarke also works with new leads when Rays not around, and I get the left over's and do the video work, and general office work.  To this day I don't know why I stayed around.

 

The one thing that always amazed me was the men just keep coming, and going to Russia I would say 95% of the men that went to Tver came back saying it was the best trip of their life's, and worth every penny they spent. I know this is hard to believe 85% to 90% of the men matched on their first trip another 5% would go back and match on a second trip, and we also had men that just liked going to Tver , as offend as they could go.

 

Lifetime Partners was still doing things right, and building up the program, we still had some set back's coming, but all in all we were having fun. The softball team was still playing we still had are weekend barbeques for new girls to meet other new girls. We hired a Russian girl to work in the office, we added a visa person and just keep building, and soon something had to give, and once agen I was the odd man out, but this time it ended up with my going to Russia to live, and this was nothing, but fun, and wow I was in the land that time forgot.

 

This was my university, and education of the reality of marriage agency. The salient side of the family's behind the girls, the girls how the good girls act compared to the bad ones, the men coming, and going the good and the ones full of bull! Some of these stories will be shared in the stories to come.

 

Coming Life in Russia.

[Marc Dayton]

Part 7

 

Life in Russia,

 

Were to start well let's start with Ray- following in the man's foot steps. Birds and the bee's talk two. Ray sets me down and let's me know real quick the number one rule don't mess with my office staff. Keep your hands off the interrupters, and don't for any reason get in the middle of a man, and his date! (Words to live by)

 

Lesion number 1- I had met lot's of men that had matched with their further wife's. I had told about 6 men that I was going to Tver to live, I asked if they wanted me to do anything for them take over letters, or small gifts. I can take them out for dinner if you wish, I meant as a goop just something nice for their girls, well sheer enough one of the men went running to Ray. This Marc person who the hell dose he think he is he wants to take my girl out to dinner. Well Ray was all over me. What the hell are you thinking Marc were is your brain you can never get in the middle of a man, and his girl.

 

Wow all I was trying to do was something nice. I found out quick that some of the men just don't trust another man when it comes to this program. I will tell you a story latter that will blow your socks off.

 

So the day before I get on the plain Ray calls me into his office, I am thinking what know. He starts with the birds and the bee's one more time. I will jerk you out of Russia so fast it will spin your head if you mess around with the girls. Marc I don't want you in Russia I will be watching everything you do! You have a 30 day visa this trip and you will not go back if you upset my office or the men in the program. Ray and I never saw eye to eye on anything, but I did respect him, but to say we liked each other that would be a total lie.

 

Then it was Larry we went to lunch, he just had to get his last joke in Marc I have some bad news for you I just talked to Ella travel, and that's why I asked you to lunch Aeroflot has just cancel all flights for FAA violations, Larry was a pilot he new all the lingo so I sunk back in my seat, and he let me know he was just joking.

 

The time was short so I had to act fast, and this time I was going to get Larry, and get him good. I told you once some of are joke were cold, but meant in fun. Larry was doing his visa for his girl. She was a doctor so with out much thought I had Clarke the master with computers put a letter together for me and make it look like it came from his girl. The letter was given to Larry by Clarke so it couth Larry totally off guard.

 

The letter went something like this.

 

My dear Larry, I don't know what to do I was just sent my visa packet its seams that Russia is stopping all Doctors from leavening Russia what do I do, I want to be with you, but Russia wont let me go to you, can you help me all I want is to be with you.

 

You would not believe this, but Larry bit it hock line and sinker, Clarke was in his office, he just could not take the pounding Larry was giving him so he went in to the lobby all Larry could do was follow Clarke from Room to Room. Clarke went back to his office, and Larry was still all over Clarke. What can we do over and over Larry was 100% upset Clarke could not take it any longer he called me into his office with a strait fast Clarke told me about the letter, and asked me what did I think. Well as I told you Larry was so upset all he could say was what the F can Marc say he doesn't know anything about Russia, but Larry Marc might be able to help you with this. With that Larry new he turned around to a big smile, and the words "got ya", Larry just about dropped his pants Clarke and I were laughing, and Larry tells us that this whole thing was in slow motion it seamed like an hour went by for Larry, but the whole thing lasted less then 5 minuets. Larry would have his revenge soon.

 

Off to Russia

 

The first week I took it slow around the office just getting to know the office staff better. My first meeting with Helen, my interrupter for making the old videos she was a fox, and do I mean hot with a sense of humor, man after man coming to Russian wanted to meet her, but as luck would have it she had a Russian boy friend so she was not in the program.

 

I was meeting ladies after all I was looking for my further wife too. About the 3^rd or 4^th day I was having more fun just hanging around the office as the girls were just in and out all day long picking up the letters each day the men, and I would just stair at the beautiful woman. My 5 pm date was late, but I was told she would be their soon, and yes Larry got his revenge in came this lady about 55 years old looked like the ice burg that sunk the titanic. I mean she looked like the shot putter you see in track, and field sports. I was scared to the bone, and then Nadya the office Manager came to me, and told me Larry sends his Love. So I changed my underwear so I could meet my next date that night.

 

The first month went fast, doing the video's for each new girl was nice, but all I was thinking about was Ray words, I will jerk you out of Russia so fast it would spin your head. So since I had all the time in the world to find the girl of my dreams, and I had the first shoot at each new girl I took my time if I liked a girl I would ask questions about her on video, and off video. So I learned about her, and I used this 100% to my advanced.

 

My last week I meet a small blond who was a dream, and had a body that would stop a clock, and best of all she was 30 years old I thought I had found a total winner, and dam it was time to go back to the states. So I spent my last days seeing her, and went back to Santa Clara with something to look forward to when I returned to Russia.

 

Who was at the airport to pick me up, but Larry he had to rub it in.

 

I was soon to find out that things were changing at the LTP office Clarke, and Ray were best of friends, but Ray was tired, and he was not the same person all he was doing was taken care of his new son, he had a new home a fixer upper, and was sinking LTP profits into his new home. Soon LTP was having serous money problems.

 

P.S. Members of RWD should I keep going with the LTP story and my time in Russia? Or have you had enough.

[Bruce]

Marc, your story is absolutely great!!!  Please keep it coming!

[KenC]

Marc,

I am very interested as I know all the players including Ray.

KenC

[Marc Dayton]

KenC

 

I am not 100% on time lines here, but I believe this was around the time you found LTP maybe you could add some incites to your impressions of Ray, Clarke as people not so much about the agency you can help me to set the stage sort of speak about the personalities of the men that worked with you, and what you were feeling were towards them?

 

Hay standing on the perch was that the best of times or was it just plain out haven. 

[KenC]

Ray was my main source of information regarding Russian women and Russia.  I didn't know of any forums and I had never met anyone who had actually traveled to Russia.  I spoke to him for hours on end over the phone.  I appreciated having someone to ask all  my dumb questions.  I have to say that his information was right on the money too.  I got to know Clarke a little bit too.  They were both very concerned that I wanted to only visit Lena.  I know that they were both good guys and only looking out for me.  I even had some conversations with Ray after he moved to CT. 

KenC

[Son of Clyde]

I used an agency to purchase the addresses and from then on I did all the letter writing and had my letters translated on my own. I had still paid the agency for the addresses I just eliminated the agency from my future correspondence with the ladies. Is this wrong?

[Bruce]

Clyde, in your case you certainly did the right thing for sure.  I'd add that for the vast majority of the agencies I have encountered what you did is precisely the correct thing to do.  However, there are a few exceptions to the rule and Marc's agency is one of those.  The reason I can say so is I used them as a client, many other individuals have as well and poor, slow, made up or faulty etc. correspondence has never been a complaint.