Putin is Ruining Russia

[lordtiberius]

[lordtiberius]

I couldn't give a rat's arse what Moscow/Kiev would ultimately do with this mess.

[lonedrake]

You said you were – the U.S. was very deep – was deeply concerned about it, that it’s provocative. Well, the Russian defense ministry says that this is – this exercise is not taking place really close to the Ukrainian border. It’s a thousand kilometers away. And I’m wondering if given that, if you still have deep concerns about this being a provocative exercise.

------( LMAO! THAT'S *ROUGHLY* FROM L.A. TO ARIZONA/N.M. BORDER or SAN DIEGO TO THE OREGON BORDER ) -----------

 I would take anything the Russian defense ministry says with a few bags of salt. Even if it is true....that's still less than a days drive away. They could be in Ukraine in less than 24 hours.

[GQBlues]

 Funny that Kiev originally said it wasn't them.  Did they ever own up to that bombing?  I still get a chuckle out of cc3 accusing Russia when it wasn't them....

Nope. At least not that I'm aware of. But that's Kiev, what's new?

...Nothing beats UkraineInvestigations ( I keep hearing this said in a deep echoing voice.  haha).

LOL. The >>site that explains all<<

I would take anything the Russian defense ministry says with a few bags of salt. Even if it is true....that's still less than a days drive away. They could be in Ukraine in less than 24 hours.

Well, first it'll help if you at least understood what was discussed. The military exercises were 1,000 kilometers away. The supposed troop build-up is relatively much closer to the border.

[Photo Guy]

Here's the bottom line from GQ about the bloodshed in Ukraine:


I couldn't give a rat's arse what Moscow/Kiev would ultimately do with this mess. All I would like *to see* is for my country to just freaking quit intervening in another country's affair once and for all. We have a ton of problems facing us at home to be financing and sticking our nose in everyone else's business. As an example, Texas is forced to spend 10 million off the state's budget to put the National guard to guard our southern border because the Feds are slow to react and put the money out to guard the border. BUT they issue almost $50 MILLION to Ukraine to *secure their border*. How the fcok does that make sense to you?' 

I underlined that phrase.
Washington is stupid about handling the southern border here, so we agree about that. There isn't any immigration control- it's more like an 'open border'. I get that, but what does this have to do with Ukraine, which is obviously being invaded by Russia. Russia wants to expand and create a 'New Russia'. because they/Putin feels 'entitled'. There's an attitude of coming to the rescue of 'Russian speakers' everywhere, even if the new ownership is not needed or wanted. People do die at our southern border, but Mexico is not threatening to invade the USA. So that's a really ridiculous analogy. The USA is certainly guilty of over-meddling in other parts of the world. No doubt. But, I've watched this grass-roots movement in Ukraine, which kicked-out Yanukovych, and has the painful goal of re-creating a government that has a goal of fighting the huge corruption problem in Ukraine. In Ukraine it's a movement of the people. These people are not mindless cattle who are being manipulated by Washington or Brussels. I think you can find a lot of truth in video interviews with locals. One government speech that I thought was extremely accurate was this one, by Samantha Powers at the UN:

excerpt:
Recruiting efforts for separatist fighters are expanding inside Russia and separatists have openly said that they are looking for volunteers with experience operating heavy weapons such as tanks and air defenses.  Russia has allowed officials from the “Donetsk Peoples’ Republic” to establish a recruiting office in Moscow.

full statement:
http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2014/07/18/u-s-ambassador-to-the-un-samantha-powers-statement-on-flight-downed-in-ukraine/

[lordtiberius]

It's one of the oldest tricks in the books.  It's called a topic change.  He can't win with the facts so he changes the subject.  For a guy who despises obama so much he sure does act like him.

[steveboy]

Yes, recent past when all this crysis started in Ukraine.
What does Putin have to do with it?
And still my question- HOW exactly is he ruining Russia? Russia is very strong now.

Don't worry about it!! Just "Arm chair " political bla bla from people who live thousands of miles away and have no idea about real Russian life

[ghost of moon goddess]

Don't worry about it!! Just "Arm chair " political bla bla from people who live thousands of miles away and have no idea about real Russian life

Might I ask you a question? What do you know about real Rissian life? I mean what is life like outside the Russia's showcases???

[Doll]

Ghost, Steve answered MY question, I do know what Russian life is.

[Gylden]

Don't worry about it!! Just "Arm chair " political bla bla from people who live thousands of miles away and have no idea about real Russian life

I guess you are not an "arm chair" politician.
So what is your take on the outcome of economic warefare between a country with the economy the size of Hong Kong vs. the EU/US economy?
 

[steveboy]

I have spent about 10 years In Russia and not just in the "Russian showcases " even spent some time living rough! Slept with the homeless Travelled a lot over Russia by bus train and car. Spent a few crazy nights in the Russian police station Im not going to go into other things, nearly two years in Bender the Transnistria Republic , travelled to the majority of FSU countries, travelled all over Ukraine and spent much time there. Have many Russian friends and speak Russian. Is that enough??

[steveboy]

By the way I also moved to Russia with $20.00 in my hand !! That was a few years ago , all for the love of Mother Russia:)

[Gylden]

enough for what?
 
 

[Gylden]

By the way I also moved to Russia with $20.00 in my hand !! That was a few years ago , all for the love of Mother Russia:)

Ah OK that explains a lot.

[Doll]

enough for what?

To answer the question

[Gylden]

To answer the question

In that case it isn't enough, because it didn't address the question at all.

[pokerintherear]

Steve can't build and maintain his own Castle in his home country so he rides on foreign women's skirts to survive in life.

He suggest other men do the same.

[steveboy]

I guess you are not an "arm chair" politician.
So what is your take on the outcome of economic warefare between a country with the economy the size of Hong Kong vs. the EU/US economy?

No Im not an arm chair politician! And I don't give fig for the sanctions, what makes me sick though is the double standards of the EU/US government. Did anyone section Israel for war crimes against women and children?? I think you will also find over the next decade the US economy shrinking considerably. Double standards Double standards!

[Doll]

In that case it isn't enough, because it didn't address the question at all.

OMG!
Are you reading or what?

[Boethius]

No, he didn't answer the question -

So what is your take on the outcome of economic warefare between a country with the economy the size of Hong Kong vs. the EU/US economy?

[Gylden]

OMG!
Are you reading or what?

Ok Doll how about you answer the question.
 
So what is your take on the outcome of economic warefare between a country with the economy the size of Hong Kong vs. the EU/US economy?
 
Feel free to quote Steveboy's answer in case i missed it
Here is a hint: I don't care how many nights he spent in Russian jail or how many nights he was with the homeless.

[steveboy]

Ok Doll how about you answer the question.
 
So what is your take on the outcome of economic warefare between a country with the economy the size of Hong Kong vs. the EU/US economy?
 
Feel free to quote Steveboy's answer in case i missed it
Here is a hint: I don't care how many nights he spent in Russian jail or how many nights he was with the homeless.

I was not replying to you about sleeping with the homeless was I? Try reading the thread!! My answer to your question is simple "Time will tell"

[steveboy]

Steve can't build and maintain his own Castle in his home country so he rides on foreign women's skirts to survive in life.

He suggest other men do the same.

Wow!! Thanks for that information!! I have just learnt something about myself. lol

I guess you have built your Castle in your home country?? But cannot find a women to come live in it? Therefore I would guess you are searching the villages of Eastern Europe for a women to move in and help you clean your "Castle" or you already have done! lol

[Doll]

what country has the economy the size of Hong Kong vs. the EU/US economy?

[Doll]

Wow!! Thanks for that information!! I have just learnt something about myself. lol

I guess you have built your Castle in your home country?? But cannot find a women to come live in it? Therefore I would guess you are searching the villages of Eastern Europe for a women to move in and help you clean your "Castle" or you already have done! lol