Poroshenko claims Ukraine is now being offered weapons by NATO.

[AC]

Don't be ignorant. No invitation by any nation to invade another country gives anyone the right to invade a sovereign nation. A UN resolution must first be in place giving passage for legal intervention. This is what happened in Libya. This is why nations, including the US, bombed its government officials and forces to oblivion. That should have explained to you WHY the US was there. Not because *they want us there*, LMAO.

Since then, the very same militants - the ones we armed and assisted for the coup - bombed our embassy and killed our ambassador and marines. An event your president lied to you about. Soon after that, they chased us all out of town. So *they wanting us there* is an idiotic statement to make. But considering it came from you, it is par for the course.

Iran took over 52 hostages and held them for 444 straight days when they took over our Embassy. Since then, we've had no delegations in Tehran and certainly it doesn't mean *they want us there*.

Pakistanis are bombed by our drones inside their border without the approval of the Pakistani government, the UN, nor anyone. That doesn't mean *they want us there*.

Ask any Okinawans if *they want us there*.
http://news.yahoo.com/plan-move-highlights-us-problem-okinawa-073216414.html

Ask any indigenous Hawaiians if they want to continue to be 5-0 much less *want us there*. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/20/feds-native-hawaiian-recognition_n_5516823.html

Do you think the majority of Germans/Europe *want us there*?
http://www.the-american-interest.com/blog/2012/05/22/shock-poll-51-of-voters-want-us-troops-out-of-europe/

I could go on to show you how ignorant you really are, but that is a clear exercise in futility.

LMAO! Your pathetic attempt to disparage above only displayed your seething insecurity and deeply-seeded inferiority. A single language speaking person trying to insult a 4 language speaking person is downright laughable, if not outright stupid.

You see what I mean? Bashar Asaad just recently won a landslide presidential election with an 88.7% majority. For you to be shooting from the hip to make a very stupid remark about *millions of Syrians* begging us for assistance is just classically moronic.

Who are these *millions of Syrians*, I dare ask? LOL. Anyone you know? Masood and his goat? Maybe Abdullah and his cousins? What in the world is wrong with you?

...and this has got to do with your claim about nations *wanting us to be there* exactly how?

Do you even have an idea how many times the US had gassed not only nations but even its own citizens? I bet you didn't, did you? Did we ever give a fock whatever other countries felt about our arrogance in this regard? Fcok no..

Dude...fool...silent...speak...NO DOUBT.

Did your ancestors want the USA to liberate the Philippine Islands from Japan, or did they prefer to be "comforters" to Japanese soldiers?  Yes or No.

Let me simplify things for you since you leave NO DOUBT as to your ability to comprehend simple things.  Apparently most Ukrainians feel about the same about Russians, as the Philippines felt about the Japanese during WWII.

You can discount what I write all you want to; but when you discount and argue with Stirlitz and other Ukrainians who are telling you how wrong you are, then it's you who his proving his own ignorance.

[GQBlues]

Did your ancestors want the USA to liberate the Philippine Islands from Japan, or did they prefer to be "comforters" to Japanese soldiers?  Yes or No.

Let me simplify things for you since you leave NO DOUBT as to your ability to comprehend simple things.  Apparently most Ukrainians feel about the same about Russians, as the Philippines felt about the Japanese during WWII.

You can discount what I write all you want to; but when you discount and argue with Stirlitz and other Ukrainians who are telling you how wrong you are, then it's you who his proving his own ignorance.

LMAO! You really do leave no doubt you're a first rate ignoramus.

"The liberation of the Philippines was costly. In the Philippines alone, the Americans lost 60,628 men and the Japanese an estimated 300,000. Filipino casualties are estimated at over a million and, sadly, these occurred mainly in the last months of the war when the final outcome had long been decided in any event.

The most serious long term consequence of World War II on the Philippines was to aggravate and embitter its internal social divisions. Prior to his departure for exile in the United States, President Quezon had advised Dr. Jose Laurel to stay behind and cooperate in the civil administration of the Japanese occupation. Whether it was good advice or not, President Quezon had hoped that with the cooperation of Filipinos, the occupation might be less severe. Following Laurel's morally ambiguous example, the Philippine elite, with regrettably few exceptions, collaborated extensively with the Japanese in their harsh exploitation of the country. President Laurel and his wartime government was despised.

On the contrary, the great majority of the Philippine people mounted a remarkably effective resistance to the Japanese occupation. Investigations after the war showed that 260,000 Filipinos had been actively engaged in guerrilla organizations and an even larger number operated covertly in the anti-Japanese underground. By the end of the war, the Japanese had effective control in only twelve of the country's forty-eight provinces.

The largest guerrilla organization was the Hukbalahap (People's Anti-Japanese Army) led by Luis Taruc. He had armed some 30,000 guerrillas who controlled most of Luzon.

By war's end, the members of the resistance firmly believed that the widespread collaboration and corruption of the well-to-do had discredited the ruling elite and that they had thereby forfeited any moral authority to govern.

The United States intended to restore the pre-war Commonwealth government. Luis Taruc and the Huks had well known socialist sympathies and communist associations. Despite their political affiliations, the Huks fully expected the American forces to treat them as allies and war heroes in recognition of their resistance and contribution to the war effort. Instead, the U.S. Army military police set out to disarm them as dangerous insurgents. MacArthur had Taruc arrested and jailed...."

The US aspirations and incursion in the island of the Philippines have very little to do in wanting to liberate it. It had largely to do with their military strategic movement to land a supply and transit base close enough to Japan. The US left upwards of 80,000 Filipinos and roughly 20,000 US soldiers as sacrificial pawns to die because of its own wartime strategy and had instead concentrated its military against Germany despite the fact it was the Japanese empire that bombed Pearl Harbor.

Even to the war's bitter end, the US's ambition was completely political & control of the region. The 20th century form of colonialism. What the Filipinos got from the US after the war was Ferdinand Marcos With total disregard to that island's inhabitants.

See what I mean that should've just stayed silent?

[lordtiberius]

The Philippines would be better off with Russian masters rather than Japanese, Spanish, American or Filipino masters.  Don't be such a dummy.

[AC]

LMAO! You really do leave no doubt you're a first rate ignoramus.

This, from the guy who claims to know more about the conflict in Ukraine than Ukrainians living there or with family members from there. 

 

As far as your response to the USA saving your Islands during WWII; I am not at all surprised.  People who cannot stand on their own two feet and need a Savior often later bite the hand that fed them, or in this case saved their life.  What is really fascinating is that you apparently chose the USA to be your permanent home, rather than the PI.   

[calmissile]

One more time- what does US have to do with it?

That's pretty easy to answer.  America has traditionally supported emerging democracies and supported democracies that are threatened by bullies such as Hitler and Putin (dickhead).

It is true that with all the other conflicts America is involved in, the average American knew little about Ukraine and was not interested in becoming involved in another conflict.  What you should realize is that over the past few months, the mainstream media has been educating the American public about Ukraine, it's culture, and the threats it faces from Putin.  The invasion and annexation of Crimea does not sit well with the American public.  Nor does the infiltration of Russian troops and mercenaries to fight Ukrainians on their land.

America joined the allies in WWII to fight Hitler and stop his takeover of other countries.  Now today, it seems that the allies need to do the same thing to Putin to stop his insane aggression of his neighbors. One thing became very clear to me recently.  The Kremlin propaganda toward the West is only used to keep the Russian public misinformed to a threat that does not exist.  Neither the US or Europe has every had a desire to invade Russian and there is no reason to suspect they ever will.  The brainwashing of the Russian public is to justify the expenditures for a strong military.  No one gives a shit about invading Russia and probably never will.  It is a Ruse.

Here is a great example of the kind of propaganda that Russia feeds it's citizens.  It was from a pamphlet available at the entrance to the underground submarine base at Balaclava.  I read it with my own eyes, actually had it in my hands and not something from a third party.  From one of my trip reports...
Ref:  Post #88   http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=15123.msg314422#msg314422


I had assumed that the facility was a WWII relic, but it is not. It was built after WWII and is a 'Cold War' relic that has been restored into a museum. There is an English pamphlet available at the cashier window available for 13 grivna.
It is interesting that the pamphlet contains the propaganda from the cold war era that justified the military expenditures based upon the aggressive nature of the U.S. and NATO.

Some of the quotes from the propaganda suggests that the US planned to:
1. drop 300 atomic bombs onto 70 large Soviet cities and 29,000 ordinary bombs onto 100 towns
2. invade the Soviet Union with the help of 250 divisions
3. take over the territory of the USSR and it's allies.
4. to occupy the territory


It escapes me how vulnerable people are to propaganda (from any source).  No wonder someone coined the phrase "sheeple"  LOL
Doll, since you are so enamoured with Russia I am wondering why you don't leave the land of opportunity in the USA and get your husband to move back to Russia where you will no doubt be happier under Putin?

[missAmeno]

One more time- what does US have to do with it?

Ukraine appealed to Western countries including USA for help.

[Doll]

That's pretty easy to answer.  America has traditionally supported emerging democracies and supported democracies that are threatened by bullies such as Hitler and Putin (dickhead).

It is true that with all the other conflicts America is involved in, the average American knew little about Ukraine and was not interested in becoming involved in another conflict.  What you should realize is that over the past few months, the mainstream media has been educating the American public about Ukraine, it's culture, and the threats it faces from Putin.  The invasion and annexation of Crimea does not sit well with the American public.  Nor does the infiltration of Russian troops and mercenaries to fight Ukrainians on their land.

America joined the allies in WWII to fight Hitler and stop his takeover of other countries.  Now today, it seems that the allies need to do the same thing to Putin to stop his insane aggression of his neighbors. One thing became very clear to me recently.  The Kremlin propaganda toward the West is only used to keep the Russian public misinformed to a threat that does not exist.  Neither the US or Europe has every had a desire to invade Russian and there is no reason to suspect they ever will.  The brainwashing of the Russian public is to justify the expenditures for a strong military.  No one gives a shit about invading Russia and probably never will.  It is a Ruse.

 
   

Of course I know that mass media is educating Americans

Doll, since you are so enamoured with Russia I am wondering why you don't leave the land of opportunity in the USA and get your husband to move back to Russia where you will no doubt be happier under Putin?

Forgot to ask you.
BTW, I am the citizen of "Land of Opportunities". Dare to keep telling me to leave the country?
My husband is born American. Do you want him to go to?
We will- when your name is Obama 

[calmissile]

Of course I know that mass media is education Americans Forgot to ask you.
BTW, I am the citizen of "Lans of Opportunities". Dare to keep telling me to leave the country?
My husband is born American. Do you want him to go to?
We will- when your name is Obama 

I did not tell you to leave the country.  I asked why you stay here when you are so unhappy and critical of the USA?

I would expect that you could convice your husband how much better Russia is than the USA.     

You got your citizenship to the USA, or still holding a green card?

[LiveFromUkraine]

BTW, I am the citizen of "Lans of Opportunities". Dare to keep telling me to leave the country?
My husband is born American. Do you want him to go to?
We will- when your name is Obama 

Doll, it's just a lame attempt to shut down discussion because some people don't like or can't handle differing opinions. 

[Doll]

I did not tell you to leave the country.  I asked why you stay here when you are so unhappy and critical of the USA?

I would expect that you could convice your husband how much better Russia is than the USA.     

You got your citizenship to the USA, or still holding a green card?

I can teach reading comprehension.

[Doll]

Doll, it's just a lame attempt to shut down discussion because some people don't like or can't handle differing opinions.

What attempt? To tell me to pack up and go , to remind Blues that he was not born here?
It is very typical example of American "freedom" and tolerancy.

[AC]

What attempt? To tell me to pack up and go , to remind Blues that he was not born here?
It is very typical example of American "freedom" and tolerancy.

And what would be an example of Russian "freedom" and "tolerance" for those in Russia who publicly express views against the official Russian policies?

Care to tell us that?   

[LiveFromUkraine]

And what would be example of Russian "freedom" and "tolerance" for those in Russia who publicly express views against the official Russian policies?

Care to tell us that?   

I'm not sure why you are trying to make light of the hypocrisy we see in the states by trying to compare it to Russia.  The US is supposedly the "Land of the Free". 


Russia has nothing to do with that.   Plenty can see through your deflection.





We are free to leave the US but now it requires a substantial fee in order to process the paperwork to renounce citizenship (increase of over 400%) plus you need to prove you are up to date on taxes otherwise you stay an American.  By the way, that fee continues to get bigger and bigger.  How is that for freedom?

[Doll]

And what would be an example of Russian "freedom" and "tolerance" for those in Russia who publicly express views against the official Russian policies?

Care to tell us that?   

You can express your opinion.
If you could read Russian you would find tons of "opinions".

[AC]

I'm not sure why you are trying to make light of the hypocrisy we see in the states by trying to compare it to Russia.  The US is supposedly the "Land of the Free". 


Russia has nothing to do with that. 

There is no hypocrisy at all, and Americans are just human beings after all; not the perfect people you think we should be.  If anything our willingness to accept too many who don't embrace our values, at this point in time, has made us weak.  Would any country in the World come to our aid if we were suddenly invaded?  Or would the likes of "GQ" and "Doll" and perhaps you as well be clapping and cheering for our demise?

[AC]

You can express your opinion.
If you could read Russian you would find tons of "opinions".

You're not very good at telling the whole truth, now are you:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia

[Russian123]

No, Doll, the above comment and several previous ones are not about "freedom" or "tolerance",
they are about how simple-minded people imagine practical implementation of the famous First Amendment to American Constitution. [I would like to note here that I deeply respect and admire this Amendment.]
That is, exactly till the expressed views and opinions are one and the same as the simple-minded people own.
But woe to anybody who dares to think and (O horror!) speak up differently. No amount of facts will save this person. On the contrary, the more facts are demonstrated to prove the contrary point of view, the more anger is expressed by the simple-minded people...

[LiveFromUkraine]

There is no hypocrisy at all, and Americans are just human beings after all; not the perfect people you think we should be.  If anything our willingness to accept too many who don't embrace our values, at this point in time, has made us weak. 

Correction, I don't believe any people are perfect no matter how much the US tries to portray that perfect image of what a country should be. 


That is the problem and why people are calling out the hypocrisy. 

It's people like you who try and deflect the issues that makes this country weak.  Instead of pointing them out and saying "that isn't right and more people should know about it."

Would any country in the World come to our aid if we were suddenly invaded?

Great question and it says a lot that you even need to ask that question.  You mean treating our supposed friends as enemies by spying on them may, in fact, keep them from coming to our aid if needed?

Could you possibly say it's the US fault for damaging relations or are you going to try and deflect by bringing up Russia?

Or would the likes of "GQ" and "Doll" and perhaps you as well be clapping and cheering for our demise?

Weak stretch of the imagination you have there. 

[fathertime]

Neither the US or Europe has every had a desire to invade Russian and there is no reason to suspect they ever will.  The brainwashing of the Russian public is to justify the expenditures for a strong military. 

This is not about an invasion of Russia.  They have nukes so nobody is invading them.  If the USA had it's way Russia would be greatly weakened, that way we could continue to intervene all around the world relatively unopposed.   Trying to foment and turn Ukraine against Russia is just another step in that direction. nobody is invading Russia but they still need a strong military or they risk becoming another slave state in a unipolar world.

Fathertime!

[AC]

No, Doll, the above comment and several previous ones are not about "freedom" or "tolerance",
they are about how simple-minded people imagine practical implementation of the famous First Amendment to American Constitution. [I would like to note here that I deeply respect and admire this Amendment.]
That is, exactly till the expressed views and opinions are one and the same as the simple-minded people own.
But woe to anybody who dares to think and (O horror!) speak up differently. No amount of facts will save this person. On the contrary, the more facts are demonstrated to prove the contrary point of view, the more anger is expressed by the simple-minded people...

This is where you are failing to see the point which "Calmissile" was making.  If the USA was such a bad place as Doll is suggesting, then why doesn't she want to move back to Russia?  People always vote with their feet in the end, and the number of Russians leaving Russia and coming to the West is enormous compared to the number of Americans or other Westerners permanently moving to Russia.

[AC]

This is not about an invasion of Russia.  They have nukes so nobody is invading them.  If the USA had it's way Russia would be greatly weakened, that way we could continue to intervene all around the world relatively unopposed.   Trying to foment and turn Ukraine against Russia is just another step in that direction. nobody is invading Russia but they still need a strong military or they risk becoming another slave state in a unipolar world.

Fathertime!

That's an interesting piece of terminology there.  Care to share where you picked it up?

[LiveFromUkraine]

This is where you are failing to see the point which "Calmissile" was making.  If the USA was such a bad place as Doll is suggesting, then why doesn't she want to move back to Russia?  People always vote with their feet in the end, and the number of Russians leaving Russia and coming to the West is enormous compared to the number of Americans or other Westerners permanently moving to Russia.

Where did Doll say the US was a bad place to live?  If you or Cal can't produce a post showing she said that, it's merely a straw man argument trying to shut her up.   That would be the point YOU are missing.

[Doll]

Where did Doll say the US was a bad place to live?  If you or Cal can't produce a post showing she said that, it's merely a straw man argument trying to shut her up.   That would be the point YOU are missing.

They will not find this link because I"ve never said that.
I will NEVER shut up 
Over all these years I have been "sent back to Russia" (by forum members) many times.
Hahaha

[BillyB]

treating our supposed friends as enemies by spying on them may, in fact, keep them from coming to our aid if needed?

Friendly countries spying on each other happens. Smart people know this. Average people go into shock when discovering things and get upset since nobody in their government calls them to let them know what their country is doing. Germany listens in our phone calls and spies on friends too. Not the end of the world.


http://www.newsweek.com/germany-spied-turkey-eavesdropped-top-us-diplomats-media-reports-say-265213

[lordtiberius]

What is really fascinating is that you apparently chose the USA to be your permanent home, rather than the PI.