Poroshenko claims Ukraine is now being offered weapons by NATO.

[Muzh]

 Uhh Isn't this exactly what Russia is doing in Ukraine right now? Hasn't that been declared illegal by using all international laws?   

 BTW Just who is this  "WE" you're tossing around so freely? 

AK, careful where you walk. Hope you brought a shovel. 

[lordtiberius]

Amazing.. simply amazing..

Your welcome dude.

[lordtiberius]

I'll have to come to the (GASP, shudder) defense of Jay here.


LT, anyone who would make a criticism of what you say would be an anti-American to you.


Also, I know what Jay is trying to convey you and AC and it is a pity you both are frothing at the mouth.


I know LT is a lost cause, however, AC you should tone it down a bit. After all you both are rooting for the same team.


For heavens sake.

You voted for Obama twice.  Shall I go on?

[lordtiberius]

AK, careful where you walk. Hope you brought a shovel. 

So during WWII, we shouldn't have invaded Germany or dropped a hot one on Japan?  You two keep comparing Putin to Hitler . . . then treat him like Hitler.

[Brasscasing]

If someone is waving a nuke at me, even if it doesn't work, I take it seriously.

Ah. Well, on this point we are in complete agreement.

Brass

[Muzh]

You voted for Obama twice.  Shall I go on?

And you voted for McCain and Romney. Keep going.


Heh heh heh

[lordtiberius]

Ah. Well, on this point we are in complete agreement.

Brass

Lead the way Ranger

[AC]

And you voted for McCain and Romney. Keep going.


Heh heh heh

Your slavish devotion to our Golfer-in-Chief is duly noted.

Were either McCain or Romney President right now we would not be having this debate about Ukraine needing weapons from NATO.

And this is what George Bush, Jr. would have done to Putin:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/boehner-bush-would-have-punched-putin/vi-BBbBlPd?ocid=mailsignout

[lordtiberius]

Boom

[Gator]

Were either McCain or Romney President right now we would not be having this debate about Ukraine needing weapons from NATO.

As dreadful as Obama was in 2008-2012, McCain probably would have been worse.

This country took a major misstep in not electing Romney.  The economy, the nation's values, ... in fact everything, would be better today.  Just my opinion and worth nothing. 

[Muzh]

As dreadful as Obama was in 2008-2012, McCain probably would have been worse.

This country took a major misstep in not electing Romney.  The economy, the nation's values, ... in fact everything, would be better today.  Just my opinion and worth nothing.

Interesting. How much was the Dow and S&P when the Nigr took over and how much is it now?


The nation's value? Et Tu?

[lordtiberius]

Obama is unifying America (against him.)

[Muzh]

Obama is unifying (conservative) America (against him.)

There, fixed.


Now, what are you going to do about those pesky independents who abhor the extremists? You know, the ones who actually determine the elections in this country?


Ever thought of that? Of course not. Not enough brain cells.

[calmissile]

Obama is not only unifying the conservatives, but the independents and moderate democrats as well.   It's so bad the democrats up for election do not even want Obama campaigning for them.   One democrat won't even admit if she voted for Obama.   

Hopefully the new Republican Senate and House will send a message that it 's time the pendulum swings back from the welfare state and big government to a more moderate course forward.

As stubborn as Obama is, there is no guarantee that he will compromise on his agenda and actually allow work to get done in his last two years, but the tide is changing and middle America is already fed up with the Democratic Party and what they stand for.  This elevates the probability for a Republican president in 2016.

[fathertime]

Obama is not only unifying the conservatives, but the independents and moderate democrats as well.   It's so bad the democrats up for election do not even want Obama campaigning for them.   One democrat won't even admit if she voted for Obama.   

Hopefully the new Republican Senate and House will send a message that it 's time the pendulum swings back from the welfare state and big government to a more moderate course forward.

As stubborn as Obama is, there is no guarantee that he will compromise on his agenda and actually allow work to get done in his last two years, but the tide is changing and middle America is already fed up with the Democratic Party and what they stand for.  This elevates the probability for a Republican president in 2016.

You seem pretty sure the senate is going to be majority Republican...We shall see about that.




Overall it appears you are living in an echo chamber...I heard this same stuff in 2012, and Obama is still president.   


Fathertime!   

[fathertime]

Interesting. How much was the Dow and S&P when the Nigr took over and how much is it now?


The nation's value? Et Tu?

The dow was under 8000 when Obozo took over and hit low water a couple months later at around 6500....it is currently almost tripled and is now just over 17000....

[lordtiberius]

Thoughts from Brass?

Russia is threatening to turn USA into radioactiv…:

I know its dated.  But it is still very odd.

[calmissile]

Your probably much too young to remember all the Soviet saber rattling throughout the cold war.  The Soviet military was much stronger at the time than they are today.  It is the way the Soviets operate.  It is their culture.  Just like  the constant lies, lies, lies that regularly pour out of the Kremlin, their bullying and threatening statements will continue to pour out until he is kicked in the teeth or loses face.

His current success is due to the cowards around the world that would rather capitulate rather than face the bully.  It's no different than the schoolyard bully that continues to pick on others until he is confronted.

[AC]

Interesting. How much was the Dow and S&P when he took over and how much is it now?


The nation's value? Et Tu?

(I'm not going to repeat your implied racial slur)

How many middle class Americans had jobs when he took over, and how many have them now?  Have middle class Americans (what's left of them) seen pay wages, or has their pay been declining?

What was the black unemployment rate when he took over (when George Bush Jr. was President) and what is it now?  Let me help you with that one -- far more blacks were employed under Bush Jr. than they are now.

And most importantly, how many Trillions of dollars in debt have been added to the national debt under Obama?

Wall Street crooks making lots of money has little to do with most Americans.  Most banks still don't lend to small businesses like they once did.  It's all a sham and a house of cards which is likely to come down under the next President. 

If he's a Republican you can blame him and he can blame Obama.  After all for the first 5 years of the Obama Presidency dictatorship he blamed Bush Jr.

[AC]

Your probably much too young to remember all the Soviet saber rattling throughout the cold war.  The Soviet military was much stronger at the time than they are today.  It is the way the Soviets operate.  It is their culture.  Just like  the constant lies, lies, lies that regularly pour out of the Kremlin, their bullying and threatening statements will continue to pour out until he is kicked in the teeth or loses face.

His current success is due to the cowards around the world that would rather capitulate rather than face the bully.  It's no different than the schoolyard bully that continues to pick on others until he is confronted.

 

[fathertime]

Your probably much too young to remember all the Soviet saber rattling throughout the cold war.  The Soviet military was much stronger at the time than they are today.  It is the way the Soviets operate.  It is their culture.  Just like  the constant lies, lies, lies that regularly pour out of the Kremlin, their bullying and threatening statements will continue to pour out until he is kicked in the teeth or loses face.

His current success is due to the cowards around the world that would rather capitulate rather than face the bully.  It's no different than the schoolyard bully that continues to pick on others until he is confronted.

I've heard this tired old phrase often, and as far as I can see it has absolutely NO application here for a couple reasons.


1.  This is not a schoolyard, and Russia doesn't at all appear to be bluffing.  If this were across the ocean, they could be confronted and they would probably back down, but that isn't happening right on their doorstep....we are the ones going to be backing away this time...


2.  If the silly 'bully' comparison actually meant anything, it still wouldn't be relevant...because often times bullies do kick the living shit out of people that stand up to them.  It is an old wives tale to think that it only takes a bloody nose to stop all, or even most bullies when they are fighting over something dear to them.




In my opinion, the totality of circumstances with this situation do not call for a US intervention, therefore the US isn't going to do much more than it already is.     


Fathertime!   

[AC]

I've heard this tired old phrase often, and as far as I can see it has absolutely NO application here for a couple reasons.


1.  This is not a schoolyard, and Russia doesn't at all appear to be bluffing.  If this were across the ocean, they could be confronted and they would probably back down, but that isn't happening right on their doorstep....we are the ones going to be backing away this time...


2.  If the silly 'bully' comparison actually meant anything, it still wouldn't be relevant...because often times bullies do kick the living shit out of people that stand up to them.  It is an old wives tale to think that it only takes a bloody nose to stop all, or even most bullies when they are fighting over something dear to them.




In my opinion, the totality of circumstances with this situation do not call for a US intervention, therefore the US isn't going to do much more than it already is.     


Fathertime!

1.  "We" (the USA) are only backing down because Obama is a weakling.  Did you see the video of him "working out" at a gym with weights that would embarrass most girls?   

2.  Ukraine is more than capable of defending herself, provided that Ukraine gets the heavy weapons they need.  Then we will see who is fighting over something dear to themselves.

[Gator]

Interesting. How much was the Dow and S&P when the Nigr took over and how much is it now?

The real question was about Obama vs. McCain vs. Romney.   I merely stated that Obama performed better than McCain would have done, but Romney was the class act of the three. And I doubt Romney would have sent arms to Ukraine. 

Now that you mention the economy, please see the big picture.   The American economy recovered in spite of Obama and all the government give away programs (pardon me, stimulus). 


The American economy is business, and that is why the economy recovered, stimulated not by Obama's stimulus program but by the Fed's QE program.   The stimulus programs were wasteful and thus anti-business, e. g., supporting the largesse of broken companies that should have been made leaner.  The stimulus programs indirectly delayed the recovery and made the deficit larger.    I must admit I do enjoy my improved roads that now get me to Costco much quicker.

I will not mention TARP as the jury is still out IMO. 


OTOH we now have governing in Germany the opposite of Obama,  the resurrection of Herbert Hoover.   

And in spite of this around the world  business keeps working. 

Back to the Obama administration.  How about the flawed energy program?   Imagine what could have been done with government leadership.  For example, a pipeline was not constructed that would  ship oil for $10/bbl instead of the $30/bbl paid to Burlington Northern, owned by whom? 

In spite of Obama policies, we are reducing our dependence on foreign oil, and oil prices are falling dramatically.   Speaking of stimulus, do you realize what a stimula lower energy prices are to the American economy?  H-U-G-E.   The average American has more money to spend, our manufacturers have a competitive edge, etc.   


I have a thousand economic examples.  What annoys me more are the non-economic scandals and cover-ups (IRS, Fast and Furious, Benghazi, etc.).   How about the broken campaign promises?  How about our foreign policy successes?   I know, I know....I must take it easy on Obama because it is his first job, and besides that the problems were created by Bush.   

You say nigr not as a slur but to call me and others  racist.  I criticize without an ounce of racial prejudice.  It really galls me that flaming liberals throw out the race card anytime a conservative criticizes Obama.  It makes as much sense as saying I am anti- American.   And speaking of race, the blacks need a leader.  They have not had a leader since MLK, a loss greater than JFK.  Obama could have filled the void.  Did he?  A thousand examples such as the respectable Russell Wilson says no.   

[Gator]

While we are talking politics, I remind my fellow American RWD members to vote in next week's election if you have not already voted early.

For those undecided, I have posted below 10 reasons why you should vote for the Democrats (a couple of which I agree with).

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=4594.msg379940#msg379940

[AkMike]

And just to add to Gators great post..


 MLK was a Republican not a bleeding Democratic liberal.
He's rolling over in his grave at the way he's portrayed today.