The Russia We'd Like To See

[Doll]

Sleepycat, this is RUSSIAN women discussion and you chose to have a bunch of political threads.
So, I posted the speech of Russian President. It is not off topic.

[AC]

Sleepycat, this is RUSSIAN women discussion and you chose to have a bunch of political threads.
So, I posted the speech of Russian President. It is not off topic.

He never said it was off topic, did he?

[AC]

I'm not familiar with ML, I need to read the boards more. I have a friend in Kiev who is ethnic Russian. She has relatives in Russia. She's reasonable. She is for a united Ukraine. ...I would imagine there are other reasonable people in Russia. I hope so...

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11839.msg380438#msg380438

[AC]

Both Hitler and Napolepon tried to defeat Russia conquer the territory of nations outside of their own - didn't work.

There, I fixed that for you.  Putin will go down in flames just as those two did.

[ML]

...I would imagine there are other reasonable people in Russia. I hope so...

Very few.

Read the polls.  Putin has nearly overwhelming support from Russian population.

[AC]

Height doesn't count.

Height of Hitler:        5' 8"
Height of Napoleon:  5' 7"
Height of Putin:        5' 5"


The smaller the man the larger the grandiose delusions?

[Doll]

He never said it was off topic, did he?

No , but he asked why which implies  "don't do it"

[Doll]

There, I fixed that for you.  Putin will go down in flames just as those two did.

From now on- don't touch my posts. Go fix your wife. Got it?

[AC]

I found this very interesting post on facebook.  I will break my own rule and post a bing translation of it, since it's better than the google translations I've seen.



Somewhere near Smolensk on the road I overtook the "spiritual clamps".
 First, in the form of bus rear surface which was decorated with the emblem of the USSR and the Russian Federation.
 I have to say-this is an example of schizophrenia (bifurcation of consciousness) occurs in Russian citizens very often, and is accordingly. They still cannot decide which country to live in? One foot in the "USSR" (love of the chiefs, hatred of freedom and "America", "nostalgia for past greatness", and other standard post-Soviet cliches, firmly entrenched in brains). On the other hand-they can not imagine their life without the foreign gear, technology, live in apartments with prefer "renovated", ride-on foreign cars, getting-in rest-not in the Crimea, of course.
 And these interests and ideological views as very peacefully coexist in their cotton heads. Even there, there was no contradiction.
 Well, a little later, on the sides of the road, almost at every stop of the Smolensk district, become noticeable regular clamps spiritual. Young girls in short ûbčonkah-stand in the freezing cold to work. Next the truck stayed businesslike. The usual pattern. And again no cognitive dissonance. The drivers of the fur in the cockpit, for sure-a Russian flag and a portrait of Putin, and icon (icon-a must!). And the commandments? What commandments? This is of course all Orthodox, even ask. And in the Donbass "great spiritual Russia" rides to rescue "brothers" from rastlennoj gejropy. And in General, we the Patriarch said recently on television that Russia is the last refuge of spirituality, and its mission is to save the rest of humanity, locked in sins.
 No one here, no doubt, no dissonance.
 Simple schizophrenia.   Translated by Bing


Где-то под Смоленском на дороге настигли меня "духовные скрепы".
Сначала - в виде автобуса, задняя поверхность которого была украшена гербом СССР и флагом российской федерации.
Надо сказать - этот показательный пример шизофрении (раздвоения сознания) встречается у российских граждан очень часто, и проявляется соответственно. Они до сих пор не могут определиться - в какой стране живут? Одной ногой - в том самом "ссср" (любовь к вождям, ненависть к свободам и "америке", ностальгия по "былому величию", и прочие стандартные пост-советские клише, накрепко засевшие в мозгах). С другой стороны - они не представляют своей жизни без заграничных шмоток, техники, жить предпочитают в квартирах с "евроремонтом", ездить - на иномарках, получать - в валюте, отдыхать - не в Крыму, конечно.
И эти их интересы и идеологические представления как-то очень мирно сосуществуют в их ватных головах. Даже противоречия там не возникает никакого.
Ну а немного позже, по обочинам трассы, почти на каждой остановке смоленской окружной, стали заметны очередные скрепы духовные. Молодые девчонки в коротеньких юбчонках - стоят, на морозе, работают. Рядом то и дело деловито останавливались фуры. Обычная картина. И опять - никакого когнитивного диссонанса. У водителей фур в кабине, наверняка - российский флаг, портрет путина, и иконка (иконка - обязательно!). А заповеди? Какие заповеди? При этом - конечно, все православные, кого ни спроси. И в Донбасс "великая духовная россия" едет спасать "братьев" от растленной гейропы. Да и вообще, нам же Сам Патриарх заявил недавно, по телевизору, что Россия - последнее прибежище духовности, и ее миссия - спасти все остальное человечество, погрязшее во грехах.
Ни у кого здесь нет ни сомнений, ни диссонансов.
Просто шизофрения.

[AC]

No , but he asked why which implies  "don't do it"

He did not imply "don't do it" in my opinion.  He simply told you that most people on this forum are not fooled by Putin.  You can keep trying to fool us if you want to, it's okay with me.  I actually enjoy it now.   

[AnonMod]

If you wish to keep posting here, knock off the personal insults AC.

[Doll]

He did not imply "don't do it" in my opinion.  He simply told you that most people on this forum are not fooled by Putin.  You can keep trying to fool us if you want to, it's okay with me.  I actually enjoy it now.   

it is a free country with freedom of speech or am I wrong?

[cc3]

If you wish to keep posting here, knock off the personal insults AC.

Are we allowed to insult the eminently insultable cretin V. V. Putin? 

[AnonMod]

Until he starts posting here, yes.

[Doll]

Until he starts posting here, yes.

[sleepycat]

No , but he asked why which implies  "don't do it"

No, this is not what I mean at all...
You are free to hero-worship midget clown for all I care. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion after all.
But what I find amusing is you trying to sell the delusional ideas of that midget here on RWD, and expect anyone to take those silly ideas seriously.
Basically I am just asking...If you know it is going to be a futile task, then why bother with it?

[AC]

No, this is not what I mean at all...
You are free to hero-worship midget clown for all I care. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion after all.
But what I find amusing is you trying to sell the delusional ideas of that midget here on RWD, and expect anyone to take those silly ideas seriously.
Basically I am just asking...If you know it is going to be a futile task, then why bother with it?

Because although she feels overwhelmed and is in the minority, she still firmly believes the narrative she is telling and feels just as compelled to tell it as you or I.

[Photo Guy]

From Putin's ridiculous speech:

'...It is true that we condemned the government coup and the forceful takeover of power in Kiev in February of this year. The developments we are currently witnessing in Ukraine and the tragedy unfolding in the country’s southeast prove that we were right to take such a stand.

How did it all begin? I will have to remind you what happened back then. It is hard to believe that it all started with a technical decision by President Yanukovych to postpone the signing of the Association Agreement between Ukraine and the European Union. Make no mistake, he did not refuse to sign the document, but only postponed it in order to make some adjustments...'

Of course, he condemned the coup. Why? Because the new government wants a closer relationship with the West, and his old dictatorship friend, Yanukovych, preferred a closer relationship to Putin. It's that simple. The truth is Putin was deeply offended personally, when the people of Ukraine chased his 'puppet' out of the country. I would like to see Putin compare and contrast Poroshenko and Yanukovych. Putin prefers Yanu over Poro, and that's just crazy. What is Putin thinking? I'll tell you. He does not care about the people of Ukraine. Putin would have been happy with his corrupt dictator friend still in power in Kiev. It's sickening.
   Also in that speech, Putin says he respects the sovereignty of Ukraine. That's absurd, because he does not even allow the Ukrainians to police their own border near Russia. Ukraine's eastern border is completely open. What has Putin done to allow Ukraine to control that border? NOTHING! What does P{utin think of the idea of New Russia? What do Russians think of that idea?? Do those ideas contradict the sovereignty of Ukraine's borders? ...Yes!
   International observers need to be sent in to the border areas, as a buffer.
Why isn't this happening?

[Photo Guy]

Putin asks in his speech, 'How did it all begin'? (Euromaidan Revolution)

With this question, Putin is either an idiot or pretending to be one.
If you look at the videos and photos, anyone can see that the general population wanted to throw Yanukovych out, especially after he made it 'illegal' to assemble on the square. The people of Ukraine were tired of the dictatorship and tired of the corruption. Putin blames the West and blames the USA. That's ridiculous! How did the USA allegedly do this? How did the US arrange to have over 50, 000 people congregate at Maidan? All Russians have to do is open their eyes and see the truth. The people of Ukraine want freedom, democracy, and an end to corruption. They cannot get these things from Putin's Russia! They want to follow in the footsteps of Poland and Romania.
    These are NOT fascists:

[Photo Guy]

These people want freedom and democracy:

[AC]

These people want freedom and democracy:

Oh but it's a US Conspiracy.  After all Victoria Nuland gave them some cookies.   

[Photo Guy]

More from Putin's recent speech:
'..It was thanks to this spiritual unity that our forefathers for the first time and forevermore saw themselves as a united nation. All of this allows us to say that Crimea, the ancient Korsun or Chersonesus, and Sevastopol have invaluable civilisational and even sacral importance for Russia, like the Temple Mount in Jerusalem for the followers of Islam and Judaism.

And this is how we will always consider it...'

The big problem with this section, is that Putin pretends that Russia has some historical ownership of this region. It scares other countries in the region. People in neighboring countries now need to worry about past history. They ask, 'Will Russia revert to the historical borders of the former Soviet Union? Will Russia try to recreate borders from another century??! Using this bad logic, Turkey could claim ownership to Crimea and other parts of the Ottoman Empire. Can the USA claim ownership of Great Britain, based on cultural similarities?? It's absurd. Putin is rationalizing and justifying bad behavior. This reminds me of his BIG lie about 'protecting' Russian speakers. Tell that to the large population of Russian-speakers in Mariupol. They're shaking in their boots right now, thanks to Putin and pro-Russian leaders in Ukraine. Also, Putin sees himself as a champion of Christianity, while looking down at Christians in Ukraine, and while promoting war. He's a murderer. Sad. If he was honest with himself, he would acknowledge a widespread legitimate desire for a Western way of life. Will he ever ponder that powerful truth? Will the people of Russia ever desire true democracy? Freedom of speech? I pray they do...

[Boethius]

For most Russians, Crimea is historically important and "theirs".  A lot of Russian blood was spilled in that region.


As for religion, a significant number of the wars on Ukrainian soil had a religious basis, Orthodoxy vs Catholicism.

[lordtiberius]

Until he starts posting here, yes.

We can call any public figure any plethora of epithets, but one man is sacrosanct? 

[lordtiberius]

Oh but it's a US Conspiracy.  After all Victoria Nuland gave them some cookies.   

That dumb witch gave them bread, not cookies