Why Ukrainians and Russians will never be Brothers

[Belvis]

OTOH, if I were Russian it would be difficult to feel Belvis's indifference to what is happening in Ukraine, knowing that my government is implicated.  I suppose indifference is the most we could expect given everything.  Other Russian members here are not so indifferent.

Gator, I would restate your words. Not  indifference, but rather dispassionateness. I follow the conflict closely, I donated money for refugees from Donbass, but still it's foreign war for me.

Belvis wants war.  Why not give him more than he wants?

It seems you has overestimated your might and  influence 

[Doll]

It is not my war either

[AC]

It seems you has overestimated your might and  influence 

One could certainly say that about Putin, now couldn't they?

[Photo Guy]

A majority of Ukrainians do not accept Putin's statements. They see Russian citizens, their brothers, their cousins, over in Russia, supporting Putin's vision. They see that vision as causing murder and mayhem in their country. They see Putin fanning the fire in Donbas. And most of all, Ukrainians see Putin's speeches, containing huge lies about Ukrainians, and the West. His lies promote war. And when we show Russians statements by Strelkov and other military leaders in Ukraine, Russian citizens look the other way. They close their eyes...
 

[lordtiberius]

It seems you has overestimated your might and  influence 

Nobody in America gives a $h!t about your washed up country.  We care more about Kim Kardasian's @$$ then we do about you and your nation of slaves.

[lordtiberius]

It must suck knowing Russia  is worse off then the failed state of Mexico

[lordtiberius]

Hey Belvis, the American President maybe a coke smoking homo fraud with about as much regard for the law as Rosie O'Donnell does the calorie menu at the Hometown buffet, he doesn't:

1. Wear elevator shoes
2. Pump botox in his face
3. Invade his neighbors
4. Imprison or kill his enemies

I hope you get your war dude - Chechen style.

[Gator]

I follow the conflict closely, I donated money for refugees from Donbass....

I commend you.  I have long believed that Ukrainians who identify with Russia should be given the opportunity to emigrate to Russia.  And Doll too. 

   but still it's foreign war for me.   

If you accept Kremlin announcements as pravda, the conflict is nothing but Ukrainians fighting Ukrainians.  Yet the same Kremlin is on record as saying Russia will not let the rebels lose.  And that is indeed what happened when the Ukrainian military in August had nearly encircled the rebel positions and would soon overrun them.  Russia invaded and pushed back the Ukrainian army,  prompting a ceasefire.   

With such support from Russia, how can this be considered just a foreign war?   

[Gator]

Nobody in America gives a $h!t about your washed up country.  We care more about Kim Kardasian's @$$ then we do about you and your nation of slaves.

Maybe true about American sentiments, yet Russia is not a "washed up country."   It is an underachieving country and thus the average Russian lifestyle could be far better. 

[Belvis]

Nobody in America gives a $h!t about your washed up country.  We care more about Kim Kardasian's @$$ then we do about you and your nation of slaves.

As far as I noted you have mentioned Kim Kardasian's @$$ first time but stuff the forum with useless posts about Russia. Either you deceived about America or you're not American.
By the way, nothing exceptional in her ass 
Talking about slaves you must be thinking of youself as a master.  You don't look like, sorry

I have long believed that Ukrainians who identify with Russia should be given the opportunity to emigrate to Russia. 

Indeed, some of them emigrate to Russia. With cities, towns and land.

If you accept Kremlin announcements as pravda, the conflict is nothing but Ukrainians fighting Ukrainians.  Yet the same Kremlin is on record as saying Russia will not let the rebels lose.  And that is indeed what happened when the Ukrainian military in August had nearly encircled the rebel positions and would soon overrun them.  Russia invaded and pushed back the Ukrainian army,  prompting a ceasefire.   

With such support from Russia, how can this be considered just a foreign war?   

Ukrainian and Georgian military units participated in operation in Iraq. I don't think these peoples considered war in Irag as their national war. Just political obligations, nothing more.
About Putin's words: Russia will not let the rebels lose.
I will cite the exact frase and expect you'll see the difference with what you attributed to Putin.
"You want the Ukrainian central authorities to annihilate everyone there, all of their political foes and opponents? Is that what you want? We certainly don't. And we won't let it happen."

[cc3]

It is not my war either

Oh, but it is your war! Your country is the invader. 

[Doll]

Oh, but it is your war! Your country is the invader. 

Dare to prove?
Then Iraq is your war too

[AC]

Dare to prove?
Then Iraq is your war too

This forum is not about Iraq, it is about the Former Soviet Union and the former satellites of the Soviet Union.

[lordtiberius]

Maybe true about American sentiments, yet Russia is not a "washed up country."   It is an underachieving country and thus the average Russian lifestyle could be far better.

Dare to prove?

[lordtiberius]

As far as I noted you have mentioned Kim Kardasian's @$$ first time but stuff the forum with useless posts about Russia. Either you deceived about America or you're not American.
By the way, nothing exceptional in her ass 
Talking about slaves you must be thinking of youself as a master.  You don't look like, sorry

I agree.  Useless and nothing exceptional, very apropos words in describing Russia.

[Doll]

This forum is not about Iraq, it is about the Former Soviet Union and the former satellites of the Soviet Union.

Ok, so it is not my war.

[AnonMod]

Knock it off lordtiberious or you will be placed in moderation.

[fathertime]

It seems you has overestimated your might and  influence 

I agree with this statement...the US has overestimated its own influence.  i think many countries are being dragged along with the sanctions with rolling eyes, and Russia is merely turning east and will have most of their needs met from that direction.    The more we ratchet up the more they will...


Fathertime!   

[fathertime]

This forum is not about Iraq, it is about the Former Soviet Union and the former satellites of the Soviet Union.

When talking about US sanctions, and invasions...then it makes perfect sense to point out the hypocritical nature of a country that has made its own serious missteps attempting to condemn/isolate another country.


Fathertime!

[AC]

When talking about US sanctions, and invasions...then it makes perfect sense to point out the hypocritical nature of a country that has made its own serious missteps attempting to condemn/isolate another country.


Fathertime!

I believe that it's been answered before both by myself and others yet if you insist on mentioning it then I will answer it again.  First and foremost the US does not go to war to steal the lands of another country, we go to war hoping to make the World a safer place for all inhabitants.  We are also careful to build legal coalitions and we usually go to the United Nations and declare why we intend to do what we do and the legal reasons for it. 

The World already observed Mr. Putin telling bold-faced lies about Russia's invasion and annexation of Crimea, which he later smugly admitted. 

So you can continue to attempt to divert attention away from the real issues at hand if you wish to, but your audience is tiny.  Most of the World can see clearly what is going on and Herr Putler has fooled nobody who really matters.

[Boethius]

Ukrainian and Georgian military units participated in operation in Iraq. I don't think these peoples considered war in Irag as their national war. Just political obligations, nothing more.

Ukrainians were not required to participate in Iraq.  Every Ukrainian soldier in Iraq was there voluntarily, likely for the large stipend they received.


BTW, they caused a minor scandal because they had salo the whole time they were there.

[fathertime]

I believe that it's been answered before both by myself and others yet if you insist on mentioning it then I will answer it again.  First and foremost the US does not go to war to steal the lands of another country, we go to war hoping to make the World a safer place for all inhabitants.  We are also careful to build legal coalitions and we usuallygo to the United Nations and declare why we intend to do what we do and the legal reasons for it. 

First, thank you for engaging! 



I don't believe that our reason for going to foreign lands is to make it safer for all inhabitants....that almost sounds like a joke nowadays.


I, many others,  and nations that disagree would have issues with the so called 'legal' coalitions, all half-hardheartedly backing each other up to give the appearance of legitimacy.     


I believe the worldwide audience is quite divided over the USA and the recent international endeavors.  The audience certainly isn't small, even within the so called 'allied countries'.


Overall when you are seemingly on top,(although China may actually be) and have already 'stolen' the lands needed, and have a measure of control of lands and the economics of the world, it is of course in your interest to declare 'game over' and nobody else can now do similar things to what you have already done in the distant past.  Other competing nations are not likely to accept these proclamations as the law they are going to live by. 


Fathertime!   

[AC]

First, thank you for engaging! 



I don't believe that our reason for going to foreign lands is to make it safer for all inhabitants....that almost sounds like a joke nowadays.


I, many others,  and nations that disagree would have issues with the so called 'legal' coalitions, all half-hardheartedly backing each other up to give the appearance of legitimacy.     


I believe the worldwide audience is quite divided over the USA and the recent international endeavors.  The audience certainly isn't small, even within the so called 'allied countries'.


Overall when you are seemingly on top,(although China may actually be) and have already 'stolen' the lands needed, and have a measure of control of lands and the economics of the world, it is of course in your interest to declare 'game over' and nobody else can now do similar things to what you have already done in the distant past.  Other competing nations are not likely to accept these proclamations as the law they are going to live by. 


Fathertime!

We obviously disagree but I don't mind engaging with you.  The people who are suffering from the brutality of ISIS in the Middle East would disagree with you as well but many are already dead the rest live in fear.

The clear solution there is to create a new country called Kurdistan and it's going to happen IMO in the next 5 to 10 years.  And yes I hope the USA has bases there so we can help make sure they succeed as well as giving a safe haven for Christians in the Middle East.

As far as Ukraine goes they clearly want our help, yet guys like you try to distort and twist that around.  Your bad, not mine and not the fault of the USA.  Poroshenko went to the USA and gave a fabulous speech not because we try to enslave nations like Russia does but because we truly do our best to help them self-determine their future which is what all persons of humanity want.

[Belvis]

The clear solution there is to create a new country called Kurdistan and it's going to happen IMO in the next 5 to 10 years.  And yes I hope the USA has bases there so we can help make sure they succeed as well as giving a safe haven for Christians in the Middle East.

So USA and Russia have common approaches to international issues. Change Kurdistan for Donbass, and you'll look like Putin's supporter 

[Doll]

So USA and Russia have common approaches to international issues. Change Kurdistan for Donbass, and you'll look like Putin's supporter 

Exactly what I said thousand times.