Why Ukrainians and Russians will never be Brothers

[lordtiberius]

Ruskymorons: wisdom from Putin supporters

[fathertime]

We obviously disagree but I don't mind engaging with you.  The people who are suffering from the brutality of ISIS in the Middle East would disagree with you as well but many are already dead the rest live in fear.

The clear solution there is to create a new country called Kurdistan and it's going to happen IMO in the next 5 to 10 years.  And yes I hope the USA has bases there so we can help make sure they succeed as well as giving a safe haven for Christians in the Middle East.

As far as Ukraine goes they clearly want our help, yet guys like you try to distort and twist that around.  Your bad, not mine and not the fault of the USA.  Poroshenko went to the USA and gave a fabulous speech not because we try to enslave nations like Russia does but because we truly do our best to help them self-determine their future which is what all persons of humanity want.

Most don't want us dictating the creation of new countries....many would say we have helped create and exacerbated the conditions which has resulted in groups like ISIS.




"They" meaning the Ukrainians, well from what I have gathered some would like help, others like the Separatists would like for us to stay out.  ...POroshenko gave his speech to get weapons....




I read an article recently regarding Russia and their own version of a Monroe Doctrine. 


Fathertime! 

[Photo Guy]

The Kurds should have their own country. Very different from Ukraine. Donbas has been offered autonomy within Ukraine and it was refused. Rebel militants have stated that they want to push as far west as Poland. They want to establish a New Russia, so that's very different from the desires of the Kurds. Ask the leaders of the DPR in Donetsk, how they feel about Mariupol'. The pro-russians want to invade Mariupol'. It's an invasion. The people of Mariupol do not want these invaders, so that's another example of how different the situation is for the Kurds. The separatists in Donbas do not even agree about what they want. for example, do they want to include Kharkiv? Odesa? Do they want to be supplied from Ukraine- water, electricity, pensions,...?

[lordtiberius]

Russia cannot win any war without the help of the United States.  The United States is the sole decider in this conflict.  When Russia attacks smaller nations such as Chechnya and Georgia, those nations need only appeal to the United States for aid.  When Russia attacks medium powers like Japan or greater powers Germany, it collapses.  History confirms this grim verdict. 

Russia is a graveyard, the cradle of all bad ideas, a nation of slaves.  That is why Russia and Ukraine can never be brothers.  Ukraine is free.

[Doll]

Russia cannot win any war without the help of the United States.  The United States is the sole decider in this conflict. 

OMG!

[Doll]

Here
http://m.ok.ru/video/20217530904

[calmissile]

 

Here
http://m.ok.ru/video/20217530904

   The Russian Bear wins the battle with a big mouth and a lot of noise.   

[fathertime]

Russia cannot win any war without the help of the United States.  The United States is the sole decider in this conflict.  When Russia attacks smaller nations such as Chechnya and Georgia, those nations need only appeal to the United States for aid.  When Russia attacks medium powers like Japan or greater powers Germany, it collapses.  History confirms this grim verdict. 

Russia is a graveyard, the cradle of all bad ideas, a nation of slaves.  That is why Russia and Ukraine can never be brothers.  Ukraine is free.

I don't agree with much of this nevertheless I want to be in the proper spirit.
USA! USA! USA!
 

Fathertime!

[lordtiberius]

I don't agree with much of this nevertheless I want to be in the proper spirit.
USA! USA! USA!
 

Fathertime!

We get it.  You despise your country.  You share that in common with JayH.  Maybe you can hold a we hate America conference over tea and weed sometime.

But nothing you have written here impeaches anything I have said here or anywhere else.

[calmissile]

We get it.  You despise your country.  You share that in common with JayH.  Maybe you can hold a we hate America conference over tea and weed sometime.

But nothing you have written here impeaches anything I have said here or anywhere else.

You must be losing your marbles.  JayH is very pro-USA and very pro-Ukraine.

[lordtiberius]

You must not be reading his posts.

[mendeleyev]

Yesterday (Saturday) was the annual Day of the Armed Forces in Ukraine, kinda sorta maybe somewhat similar to Veterans Day in the USA. I will write more on this later, but never dreamed that I'd be moved close to tears at the sight of brand new tanks. With the active aid of Canada, and now Italy, the local Ukrainian arms factories are starting to produce equipment that is modern.

I think of all those fierce Russian tanks roaming around Ukraine, and they are here, while the local Ukrainian boys are mostly using glued together old stuff from the Soviet era, and one could see the gratitude of the soldiers as President and Mrs Poroshenko traveled to a base outside Kharkiv to meet with troops. I am impressed with the First couple, she travels with him often, and their bond with the forces is clear.

A colleague and I observed that we had never before enjoyed being being in the midst of heavy exhaust fumes! When those new tank engines first fired up, the landscape turned into a gray exhaust fog briefly. However once warm, the purr of those engines was like a fine house cat who had just enjoyed a Sunday meal.

A remaining obvious deficit is the Ukrainian Air defenses. After the Ukrainian advances and victories of this past summer, Russia "loaned" or "donated" their more modern air defense systems to the Russian ethnic terrorists pretending to be Ukrainian rebels, and this has given a clear advantage to the Russian side. It will be interesting to see whether Ukraine can make improvements to mitigate that disparity. It is hard for any force to stay even in a conflict with only limited air support.

Mrs Poroshenko and a group of auxiliary officers handed out new winter wear and insulated sleeping bags. It was quite a special day for those fighting men and women. May God grant them safety.

[lordtiberius]

Brilliant post as usual.

Can Ukraine and Canada be brothers?

[Belvis]

   The Russian Bear wins the battle with a big mouth and a lot of noise.   

You mean like this?

[fathertime]

We get it.  You despise your country.  You share that in common with JayH.  Maybe you can hold a we hate America conference over tea and weed sometime.

But nothing you have written here impeaches anything I have said here or anywhere else.

Yes JayH is a hater and a strange bird...nearly everybody can see that.


Although my viewpoint is different than yours, I don't want to 'impeach' what you have to say about subjects...it is interesting *if not humorous* to read.
 
Fathertime! 

[Gator]

   The Russian Bear wins the battle with a big mouth and a lot of noise.   

Doll's video clip is from the French film, The Bear, an acclaimed film. The large bear is not a Russian bear but a trained Kodiak, hence an American bear.  Alaska was at one time Russian territory so maybe in Doll's eyes that makes him Russian.   His name was Bart the Bear, more here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_the_Bear

In many of the scenes, the bear cub is likely an animatronic.  The cougar is definitely North American, presumably Canadian because part of film was produced there (and in Europe).

What Doll's clip does not include from the film is the mercy demonstrated by a hunter and Bart toward each other.  It would be splendid if Putin kept with the overall theme of Doll's film and showed some mercy and a sense of harmony in Ukraine.   Unfortunately, Putin is not wired that way.

[Doll]

OMG-
What does it matter if the bear is not Russian ( actually brown bear is correct).

[Doll]

We get it.  You despise your country.  You share that in common with JayH.  Maybe you can hold a we hate America conference over tea and weed sometime.

But nothing you have written here impeaches anything I have said here or anywhere else.

Sir, to have a different opinion means freedom of speech. You consider freedom of speech " hatred"?
Then you have a problem.

[Anotherkiwi]

We get it.  You despise your country.  You share that in common with JayH.

Huh?  Where on earth has JayH ever said anything to disparage Australia (HIS country)?

[Doll]

Ladies and gentlemen, congratulations- the new Minister of Finance of Ukraine is a born American. I am not kidding
Hahaha slava ukraine

[Boethius]

What is wrong with that?  There have been a lot of diaspora Ukrainians who have served in Ukraine's governments.  Ukraine's constitution was drafted largely by a Canadian of Ukrainian descent. 


As long as she is honest, I view it as a positive step.

[Doll]

What is wrong with that?  There have been a lot of diaspora Ukrainians who have served in Ukraine's governments.  Ukraine's constitution was drafted largely by a Canadian of Ukrainian descent. 


As long as she is honest, I view it as a positive step.

She is BORN American, there are 40 mln Ukrainians .
Boe, what is wrong with it?


Are you kidding?

[Boethius]

I see nothing wrong with it.  Ukraine has not had uncompromised politicians.  Ms.  Jaresko is highly accomplished, and, presumably, will not be beholden to any oligarch or foreign government to the East.

[Doll]

I see nothing wrong with it.  Ukraine has not had uncompromised politicians.  Ms.  Jaresko is highly accomplished, and, presumably, will not be beholden to any oligarch or foreign government to the East.

There is no way you know it about Ukrainian politicians  or Jaresko.
No way. Just because you live far away from that country.
Amen
Хахаха слава Украине и ее Хероям

[Gator]

She is BORN American, there are 40 mln Ukrainians .
Boe, what is wrong with it?


Are you kidding?

Is this attitude indicative of Russian mentality? 

Doll, people should be judged based on expertise, experience and results, not where they were born.   Such is the case in both American government and business.    The only positions I know that require birth in America (natural-born citizen) are the President and Vice President.  Even though that is the law and there were some questions about Obama, few really cared whether he may have been born elsewhere, more that he possibly hid the fact.