Which one ?

[Leslie]

Well you had obviously made up your mind on this situation before you started this thread. 

Do you think we were born yesterday??

[wiz]

Well you had obviously made up your mind on this situation before you started this thread. 

Do you think we were born yesterday??

Now Now Lesley.....

Why don't you let the man to enjoy his braging that he managed to get some interested parties for his extented ego?.....LOL

He must feel on the top of the world that 3 women are after his passport...LOL

[Bruno]

Doug story have reach his end... seem that some are seeking a new victim to bash...

A guys seek reply to questions and he receive reply about his ego... how much here have not communicate with several women and have need to make a choice after a time ?

Of course, i am in the category WOVO... and our guys is more in the category WMV?... people speaking about the Docetae ego are these who have recommend previously to visit more and have reserve lady...

Really a strange world with strange people !!!

[jb]

Bruno,

Since English is not your native language, perhaps you do not see self-flattery and self-aggrandizement when it shows up.  The original post was all about; "I have these two really beautiful woman who want me soooo bad."  "What should I do?"  Everyone should have such problems.  No man who leads us to believe he is well enough educated to be called "DOCTOR" is going to ask complete and total strangers about how to conduct his love life, much less do the picking and choosing of a mate for him.  This is clearly being braggadocios.

That's what prompted my 1st flip reply about marrying them both after a church change, I guess the irony is lost in the translation.  Anyway, I decided to go along for a bit to see how things played out.  After the ; "I've decided not to decide" post, I knew we were dealing with an ego stroking issue and I felt a bit of cynicism was in order.

[Bruno]

Bruno,

Since English is not your native language, perhaps you do not see self-flattery and self-aggrandizement when it shows up...

Yes, English is not my native language... and sure, i have sometime difficulty to capture idea who are not said in plain text... sometime, i misunderstand what say a native English people but sometime, i am able to understand what a non native English mean in some post...

These situation can be interesting to illustrate that a RW speaking good English can sometime misunderstand what you mean and lead to other conclusion... and the reverse is true too... It prove the need of common language and show the limit of these common language... Sorry for the off-topic but the JB comment have lead me to think about the fact of sharing a common language in relationship...

[Shadow]

jb, while I was thinking along the same line (what?  ) I guess the main thing here is that many are not capable of reading the questions.
Doc never asked for what any of the readers would chose in his situation. He asked for criteria on which to decide.
If everyone had stayed away from giving opinions and got to the point of handing him criteria the topic would look different right now. 

[jb]

Shadow,

I think the good doctor merely wanted everyone to know he had two or three beautiful girls on the hook.  Nothing exceptional in that, and we shouldn't read anything more into it.  Seems a typical WMVM case to me.

[Michelangelo]

Bruno,
Since English is not your native language, perhaps you do not see self-flattery and self-aggrandizement when it shows up.  The original post was all about; "I have these two really beautiful woman who want me soooo bad."  "What should I do?"  Everyone should have such problems.  No man who leads us to believe he is well enough educated to be called "DOCTOR" is going to ask complete and total strangers about how to conduct his love life, much less do the picking and choosing of a mate for him.  This is clearly being braggadocios.

That's what prompted my 1st flip reply about marrying them both after a church change, I guess the irony is lost in the translation.  Anyway, I decided to go along for a bit to see how things played out.  After the ; "I've decided not to decide" post, I knew we were dealing with an ego stroking issue and I felt a bit of cynicism was in order.

Actually, JB--Bruno was correct.  I've had lots of offline communications with doc over the past 7 months and in fact he is a gentle, shy, intelligent man.  A brilliant scientist, too.  English is also Doc's second language, so you have to understand that sincerity can be misunderstood in translation...   Doc did not intend to express, as you say, "self-flattery and self-aggrandizement."

This board is at it's best when posters can ask honest questions and get sound advice.   Some here have done just that for Doc....

So the overall good wins out...thank goodness 

Best wishes to you, Benoit.  I'm sure you'll make the best decision.

[Rim]

I think you're about 1/2 right.  If you have to come to this board and ask others who you should be with you are not ready for that decision.

I knew that I would eventually find a subject where I could agree with David.

[Captmonk1]

Hello,

Imagine the following situation .. You have met two girls.

The first one is really very pretty, almost your ideal and fantasm from a physical point of view and you get a very good complicity with her... But she is coming from a rural zone, has no experience from traveling and has very limited revenues and bad english knowledge.

The second one is mad about you, not the same perfection as the first one but it seems you are sharing the same brain. She has an excellent job, good revenues, she is travelling abroad one time per month at least and has family in US.

It seems that the time to choose is coming and I don't know which one ...

If you were in my position, what will be your criterion of selection ?

Doc

My first reaction was to pick Door Number 2 which it seems you have. Good luck! I pretty much disagree with all the haters. Good for you for having lots of choices!! That can sometimes be a problem like not having any!!

[RacerX]

 Doc did not intend to express, as you say, "self-flattery and self-aggrandizement."

This board is at it's best when posters can ask honest questions and get sound advice.  Some here have done just that for Doc....
.

Seems that in the past couple of days the "pickle-barrel boys" are batting 0-2, I wonder if there's a three-strike and you're out (of here...) rule.

[Dar]

Which one? I am a women but asked myself similar question abt man. Here is one the right amswer - choose that lady which u feel closest to u emoutionaly,which is ur soulmate. If u going to spend the lifetime with one person(women) its most important thing, bcs everyone losing itself beauty whith years but very close person always be pretty for u...  Women dont speak english or speak little - it really can be a problem. I spent hours and hours chatting with my future husband(abt 6 month each day by phone or ICQ), so if u realy want to choose pretty women with bad english knowlege try to speak with her with translator as offten as it possible. Of course u can do it by letters but I will open lettle secret - 98% of letters from womens written in agencies. So just think, whom u choose for ur rest of life: friend and partner or beautifull "picture" which u can show to ur friends and with which to have wonderfull sex(next several years)? And else, she says u r first foreigine man who she met? do u think, u r last?of course, each man wants to be first and one, its psihology,but it's not most important thing even if it sounds nice for ur ego...

[jb]

RacerX,

Read Michael's other posts, he likes to make it up as he goes along, he should not, IMHO, to be taken too seriously.

The "Old Pack Of Pickled Pecker" boys are so rarely wrong perhaps you should consider joining them instead of finding argument with everything they say.

[jb]

Dar,

You speak truth, my wife is my girlfriend from many years ago, to me she is as pretty now as she was back when she was a young chickie-babe.  We grow old together and nothing changes in how we see each other.  I like the idea that my woman still sees the man I once was, when she looks at me, and I still see the girl I married.  A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

[Michelangelo]

RacerX....you can also read JB's posts here, and elsewhere. He is caustic and mean-spirited at times.  He is driven by his politics, which limits his ability to consider all sides of issues.  BUT--I like him.  

He does at times give sound advice. And as I said elsewhere, I appreciate veterans who although are married hang around to help others out.  I just think he goes too negative sometimes, which limits the usefulness because it is a red light to people who want to post and get honest opinions from the board. It scares them off becasue they don't want the same treatment he gives others.  And, yes, honest opinions can be given without personal attacks.

I make up things?  Hardly...I have had many communications from Benoit and he is as I said...a shy, sensitive man who appreciates the opinions of others.  That's refreshing to me.

BTW--I took up for Benoit because that is who I am.. Jb- I was the guy at age 8 who pulled you off the 5 year old you were beating up.  I don't like bullies and I stand up to them.  Call me Spiderman if you want.  I think others are also standing up for Benoit, as you see in this thread.

[jb]

Michael,

Get off the drugs, you'll be a lot happier. 

When I was 8, I didn't beat up on 5 y.o.'s, I was too busy trying to learn my multiplication tables. Long division was hard for me.

I am never negative, nor am I a bully, I try to be truthful and honest, it just so happens sometimes the truth hurts.

Michael, you are prolly a nice guy, but you constantly try to convert us to your religion of liberalism, frankly I think liberalism is a mental disorder.  Go with whatever works for you, but don't try to convert us to the same crazy ideas you subscribe to.

[Admin]

Michael,

Get off the drugs, you'll be a lot happier. 

When I was 8, I didn't beat up on 5 y.o.'s, I was too busy trying to learn my multiplication tables. Long division was hard for me.

I am never negative, nor am I a bully, I try to be truthful and honest, it just so happens sometimes the truth hurts.

Michael, you are prolly a nice guy, but you constantly try to convert us to your religion of liberalism, frankly I think liberalism is a mental disorder.  Go with whatever works for you, but don't try to convert us to the same crazy ideas you subscribe to.

How bout we veer this topic back away from the politics and deal with the issues. [Please note there is NOT a question mark at the end of that statement]

- Dan

[jb]

Dan, Dan, Dan,,,  Why do you quote my post to make a point, and leave the attacks on me alone?

Seems unfair to me. (*whine*)

99% of the time I'm merely responding to idiocy, not instigating it.  I have no control over those members who generate facts from whole cloth to suit their own purposes.  I do not make the news, nor do I make commentary on it, I only try to correct the misinterpretation of sundry ideas that are presented here and there, which I feel will or might lead other new members astray.

Or is it,,, I'm simply a bad person who intends to do nothing more than shoot down fantasy and outlandish dreams?  You tell me.  If you like the outlandish crap sometimes being posted as fact, if you like misrepresentation, if you like telling people untrue things about the FSU cultural aspect, if you like letting someone getting away with visa fraud, if you like people being dishonest, just let me know and I'll go away.  I have other people I can pester.  I like the AnnCoulter board for political stuff. I sometime take Bill O'Reilly to task on issues, I routinely visit with Victor Davis Hanson online, and I am a regular correspondant with a couple of Congressmen from Texas.  I bug them to, but they don't dismiss me out of hand. 

Let me know what you want to have seen here, it's up to you.

 

[PeeWee]

How bout we veer this topic back away from the politics and deal with the issues. [Please note there is NOT a question mark at the end of that statement]

- Dan

Oh, crap, and I was just about to lay into to the liberal Ms Clinton too. Dang!

Peewee

[Admin]

Dan, Dan, Dan,,,  Why do you quote my post to make a point, and leave the attacks on me alone?

Seems unfair to me. (*whine*)

jb, you may not realize it, but you are the second most prolific member of RWD. It is more a matter of sheer numbers. Yours is often the final post in a topic when I see it and feel the need to inject something, hence, you probably DO get a larger proportion of your posts cited than others. Just a numbers game jb.

99% of the time I'm merely responding to idiocy, not instigating it.  I have no control over those members who generate facts from whole cloth to suit their own purposes.  I do not make the news, nor do I make commentary on it, I only try to correct the misinterpretation of sundry ideas that are presented here and there, which I feel will or might lead other new members astray.

It *is* true that your posts are most often responses to others. The question of "idiocy" however, is one you and I might disagree about. What has unfolded over the past year or so (IMO), is that you tend to be very judgmental and critical of others. You sometimes resort to personal attacks. I prefer a more tolerant approach - and I absolutely do not like the personal attacks. While I often request tolerance - I do stop short of intervening most of the time - and part of the reason is, I know your motives are good even if your tactics are not. I hope others will see that - and if they stick around long enough - most will. Some will not, and there are at least a few whom I believe you drove away and I wish that had not occurred.

Or is it,,, I'm simply a bad person who intends to do nothing more than shoot down fantasy and outlandish dreams?  You tell me.  If you like the outlandish crap sometimes being posted as fact, if you like misrepresentation, if you like telling people untrue things about the FSU cultural aspect, if you like letting someone getting away with visa fraud, if you like people being dishonest, just let me know and I'll go away.  I have other people I can pester.  I like the AnnCoulter board for political stuff. I sometime take Bill O'Reilly to task on issues, I routinely visit with Victor Davis Hanson online, and I am a regular correspondant with a couple of Congressmen from Texas.  I bug them to, but they don't dismiss me out of hand.

John, I have absolutely no doubt that you give O'Reilly, Hanson and probably many others, their fair share of grief. You are a man of strong passions and convictions - I get that - in many ways, I admire that. I only wish you could find your way to being more tolerant of those who believe/feel differently than you. You have a great deal of 'good' to offer John, but it is sometimes - maybe often - blunted by the style with which you deliver your message.

Let me know what you want to have seen here, it's up to you.

What I want hasn't changed since the first day I launched RWD. I want for RWD to be a place where anyone who has an interest in the topic of relationships with Russian Women can come to learn. I want it to be a place where the experienced people can come to share, and pass along their insights and experiences to others. I want it to be a place where myths and misinformation are called out for what they are.

I am not naive. I recognize there will be disagreements and tensions which erupt here. As I wrote in another topic - it is through those tensions that genuine understanding and learning *CAN* occur - but it takes a sincere interest on the part of each person to achieve that. When people have a sincere interest in teaching other people, or in learning themselves, they simply do not ever resort to personal insults or attacking another person's race or religion or politics or beliefs. They can be quite vigorous in their positions and in their defenses - but they always stop short of personalizing matters. That is also what I want John.

Is it too much to ask?

- Dan

[jb]

Dan,

Sorry to be so long in responding, but I was busy bustin' another myth somewhere else.

One of the things that keeps me hangin' around here is the lack of critical thinking that passes for logic when it comes to RWs, and the marriage to, thereof, et al, etc., you guys mostly are just way too entertaining.  I just can't believe what I'm reading in some of these posts.  And I might add, neither can some of the other "Old Pickled Pecker Barrel Bunch" who post here.

I've been to Russia so many times, spent so much time there, I know so many Russians, (not just a pretty Russian girl or two), I try to understand the Russian mentality, I have been a student of the Russian way, and I suspect I've learned a thing or two about Russians the average AM going over for a one week dating experience might not see or understand. 

All I can say is; if your mind is made up, and you don't want me to confuse you with facts, don't read my posts.  Real simple.

[docetae]

Several comments ... yes, english in not my native language (in fact my third one) and perhaps my question was not clear. Mike, thanks for your support to try to explain this ...

If I wanted only to say "hey look, I have two beautiful women who want to marry me", I believe I will have posted photos ... I will not do this by respect of these 2 women.

As I was answering to a private mail, I will try to explain a little more why I asked this question : There are such a contrast between the two women that I didn't know what to do. All I had planned was changed and I needed to go back on track.  Someone with just one sentence give me an element of answer "you will know when a russian girl loves you".

My usage of this board is like a public consultation. I want to know what people think about one question, that does not mean that I will follow answers given but this give me a path for reflexion.

I'm not rushing in marriage at all (not before a year of common life), immigration rules in Canada are flexible enough to allow me this.... and I want, from my past experience, to take all my time.

ps : Docetae has nothing to do with doctors or medicine, this is a sect of early christian believing that Jesus was only a spirit. A kind of virtual presence before the time ... so I use it as pseudo on the net.

[RacerX]

RacerX,
The "Old Pack Of Pickled Pecker" boys are so rarely wrong perhaps you should consider joining them instead of finding argument with everything they say.

Actually 'grasshopper' you might be right.  It's just that I've been doing this so long (meeting and knowing RW) that... well, for example when the "wall came down," it wasn't a political statement somuch for me but much more importantly, a chance to see my RW without worrying about whether the commies would give me a visa without kissing so much RU a$$.

I've 'been there and done that' enough to appreciate that I know even less about RW than I do about women in general.

Just when I think I know enough to lecture some "newbie," something seems to happen in my life that I feel the need to be more introspective.   

If there was just one thought I could pass along to you, KenC and others it is that much, if not all your experience with FSUW probably comes from having one lovely RW woman in your life.  After you have had the chance to experience more, it just might change your total outlook on all of this...

... or maybe not.

[PeeWee]

Actually 'grasshopper' you might be right.  It's just that I've been doing this so long (meeting and knowing RW) that... well, for example when the "wall came down," it wasn't a political statement somuch for me but much more importantly, a chance to see my RW without worrying about whether the commies would give me a visa without kissing so much RU a$$.

I've 'been there and done that' enough to appreciate that I know even less about RW than I do about women in general.

Just when I think I know enough to lecture some "newbie," something seems to happen in my life that I feel the need to be more introspective.   

If there was just one thought I could pass along to you, KenC and others it is that much, if not all your experience with FSUW probably comes from having one lovely RW woman in your life.  After you have had the chance to experience more, it just might change your total outlook on all of this...

... or maybe not.

I had not considered this. You might have a point there, Racer. However, while I might agree with you with regard to basing ones experince with his interaction with just one woman, his wife, I do think that the bread and butter stuff, such as the visa, travel information, laws, rules, holidays, customs...etc the things that are the same are best advised by the pickle packers, or whatever it is they call themselves.

Peewee

[KenC]

Actually 'grasshopper' you might be right.  It's just that I've been doing this so long (meeting and knowing RW) that... well, for example when the "wall came down," it wasn't a political statement somuch for me but much more importantly, a chance to see my RW without worrying about whether the commies would give me a visa without kissing so much RU a$$.

I've 'been there and done that' enough to appreciate that I know even less about RW than I do about women in general.

Just when I think I know enough to lecture some "newbie," something seems to happen in my life that I feel the need to be more introspective.   

If there was just one thought I could pass along to you, KenC and others it is that much, if not all your experience with FSUW probably comes from having one lovely RW woman in your life.  After you have had the chance to experience more, it just might change your total outlook on all of this...

... or maybe not.

RacerX,
Since you're so tight lipped about your personal details on here, I don't think you get to now throw your experience in our face. Or is it OK to post about your first RW, gary?

As was pointed out in another post, by Leslie (I think), even though I may be married to one RW I have been associated with many Russians because of it. Not only her, but her family (Who are staying with us for a month while I post this, friends and acquaintances through the years. It is a misnomer that all the input has been from once source.
KenC