Free Porn Contributing Factor in Decline of Marriage

[Boethius]

It doesn't mean they are linked.

[Boethius]

No, I absolutely would not.  Ever hear of a happy medium?  Apparently not.

The happy medium exists right now.  There are plenty of AW who want to marry and have children.  If feminists are not your thing, try a woman from the quiverfull  movement.

[AC]

2.  I don't recall stating my views on porn.  I just posted a link.  But, I disagree that porn and feminism are linked.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=17950.msg383445#msg383445

(read reply #30 and reply #31)

[Boethius]

I don't think either of those state my view on pornography.

[fathertime]

I see some sort of relationship between the rise of women and the rise of pornography.  I can't say what it is exactly. Personally, like most things, if you are talking about adults, they should be left to do what they want...as I don't think they are not directly hurting others...and can choose how they want to live. 


Fathertime! 

[lordtiberius]

I agree.  But what if you are not talking about adults?  Kids are exposed to porn and kids are in porn.  Its just a bad bad deal.

[fathertime]

I agree.  But what if you are not talking about adults?  Kids are exposed to porn and kids are in porn.  Its just a bad bad deal.

We are all responsible for our own.


  Sometimes an innocent child is killed by a gun, do you speak out against our right to bear arms because of that?

Fathertime! 

[lordtiberius]

A gun is a tool.  Is porn a tool?

[fathertime]

A gun is a tool.  Is porn a tool?

Do you ALWAYS answer a question with a question?   If you aren't able to respond directly then I guess my point stands.   


Fathertime!

[lordtiberius]

Do you ALWAYS answer a question with a question? 

huh?

It is par for the course when asked to clarify or defend your point of view when presented with facts or questions, you scurry away.

Porn is not a tool, it is not speech, it is filth and should be regarded as such.  The OP is right to critic the use of porn as a destabilizing influence in society.  The fact she does not link feminism is another factor is regrettable. 

[Shadow]

huh?

It is par for the course when asked to clarify or defend your point of view when presented with facts or questions, you scurry away.

Porn is not a tool, it is not speech, it is filth and should be regarded as such.  The OP is right to critic the use of porn as a destabilizing influence in society.  The fact she does not link feminism is another factor is regrettable.

Have you ever seen porn? If not, how do you know it is fillth?

[fathertime]

huh?

It is par for the course when asked to clarify or defend your point of view when presented with facts or questions, you scurry away.

Porn is not a tool, it is not speech, it is filth and should be regarded as such.  The OP is right to critic the use of porn as a destabilizing influence in society.  The fact she does not link feminism is another factor is regrettable.

I almost always respond to (reasonable) questions and then make a point, or visa-versa.  In this particular case you did not respond to a point, but when put in check or check-mate,  quickly deflected with what I feel is not a very relevant question, to which I will now respond since you did finally respond (in a strange way) to my query. 


It appears you feel firearms are a 'tool' therefore they are ok, whereas Porn is not a 'tool' and therefore is not ok.  If that is the case you are making, I dismiss that particular argument, on the grounds that porn IS a tool, for masturbation/entertainment, and firearms are a tool for killing somebody/something or target practice.  I'd like for you to strengthen your case, if you can. 


Fathertime!   

[lordtiberius]

You have made your point.  I disagree with it.  I don't know what else there is to say except to thank you for making your views known.

[fathertime]

You have made your point.  I disagree with it.  I don't know what else there is to say except to thank you for making your views known.

I'd like to thank you for thanking me.    ...and for making your viewpoint be known.
Fathertime! 

[lordtiberius]

What are your ideas on family?

[Slumba]

I just read 3 pages ... interesting that we are talking about men and porn - but what about 50 Shades of Grey, which has sold 100 million copies worldwide and has a big movie coming out, based on the book? 

I don't think many of those sales can be attributed to men 

Is "emotional porn" or "porn-lit" porn?

[lordtiberius]

[ML]

I just read 3 pages ... interesting that we are talking about men and porn - but what about 50 Shades of Grey, which has sold 100 million copies worldwide and has a big movie coming out, based on the book? 

I don't think many of those sales can be attributed to men 

Is "emotional porn" or "porn-lit" porn?

There is a  touring performance based (sort of) on this book.

We got tickets to go to the performance.

Worst play I have ever seen.  Mostly just the kind of 'bathroom' jokes that junior high kids spew forth.

We left at half time.

The audience was 90% female.  They were yucking it up like they had never heard such talk before.

[Boethius]

huh?

It is par for the course when asked to clarify or defend your point of view when presented with facts or questions, you scurry away.

Porn is not a tool, it is not speech, it is filth and should be regarded as such.  The OP is right to critic the use of porn as a destabilizing influence in society.  The fact she does not link feminism is another factor is regrettable.

I posted a link.  I never stated it represented my views. 


I don't believe feminism is a destabilizing influence on society.

[Boethius]

I just read 3 pages ... interesting that we are talking about men and porn - but what about 50 Shades of Grey, which has sold 100 million copies worldwide and has a big movie coming out, based on the book? 

I don't think many of those sales can be attributed to men 

Is "emotional porn" or "porn-lit" porn?

There is a difference between written words and visual images, in many ways, even when the words are not well written.

[fathertime]

What are your ideas on family?

I don't know what you mean exactly.  I've found that ideas about a lot of things evolve as I gain more experience. 


Perhaps you can enlighten as to what your ideas are, then I'll have a better idea of what direction you are taking the discussion.   


Fathertime!   

[lordtiberius]

I don't know what you mean exactly.  I've found that ideas about a lot of things evolve as I gain more experience. 


Perhaps you can enlighten as to what your ideas are, then I'll have a better idea of what direction you are taking the discussion.   


Fathertime!

Well I think that family is the building block of society.  I believe that feminism, like pornography is a social blight.  There are a myriad of factors that contribute to the family's decline.  It is a cultural suicide that feminism and pornography slide us toward.  That's my view anyway.

[fathertime]

Well I think that family is the building block of society.  I believe that feminism, like pornography is a social blight.  There are a myriad of factors that contribute to the family's decline.  It is a cultural suicide that feminism and pornography slide us toward.  That's my view anyway.

I don't really care much about feminism (whatever it is)...I am happy my daughters are able to have more choices, then if they were born 100 years earlier. 


Pornography, I don't know what you mean by social blight.   I'm NOT a porn watcher, as what little i've seen i've found to be unappealing to me...but It could provide an outlet for people, who might otherwise try to infringe upon women instead. 


Cultural suicide, perhaps, but it is ok, our society will be gone someday, all other societies will be too!  In 150 years nobody will have a personal memory of you or me...In 20 million years the human race will probably be all bones, and a new species will be dominant, maybe descendants from the birds, raccoons, or bacteria.....Who knows for sure?  Is it important for our species to go on forever?  Why?   


Fathertime!   

[Slumba]

There is a difference between written words and visual images, in many ways, even when the words are not well written.

Yes, but that wasn't my actual question, and, I did in fact use different words to differentiate between the two.

It seems women get a pass when the porn is written, no matter how salacious the content.

If porn does somehow reduce the ability of men to want women... then 50SOG might be changing preferences also, for women.

[jone]

I've never watched porn.  Never had any use for it.

I'm reminded of the Warren Court where the old judges would go downstairs in the Supreme Court to watch the porno films, theoretically to ascertain the death of American society.  In reality they were a bunch of dirty old men.

I love, however, looking at pictures of a finely turned out lady.  With clothes or without. 

Who was it who defined porn by saying:  'You'll know pornography when you see it!'