Invasion by Ukraine

[AC]

But now while many poor Russians are struggling with higher food prices due to the sanctions imposed by America, here you are having a good life - in America.  In effect YOU are now a “hiwi”....  how ironic, no???

Not really ironic at all.  Whether escaping the former Soviet Union like Poland and the Baltic states did in order to raise their standard of living, or emigrating to America, the further away from Russia someone gets the better their life is. 

Which is why Ukraine chose to move towards the West by wanting to have an association agreement with the EU.  Moscow's puppet did nothing but steal from Ukrainians and he ran away thus resigning.  Moscow responds by an illegal referendum and annexation of Crimea and further invasion of Ukraine in E. Ukraine.

Any country in the World who violates international law and invades their neighbors in an effort to steal territory is subject to sanctions.  Hopefully the sanctions will get worse so that the average Russian will struggle more.  Only then will Russians demand a change of leadership and throw out the dictator who has caused their suffering.

[Doll]

How did Poland escape the Soviet Union?

[Ludmila]

Not really ironic at all.  Whether escaping the former Soviet Union like Poland and the Baltic states did in order to raise their standard of living, or emigrating to America, the further away from Russia someone gets the better their life is. 

Which is why Ukraine chose to move towards the West by wanting to have an association agreement with the EU.  Moscow's puppet did nothing but steal from Ukrainians and he ran away thus resigning.  Moscow responds by an illegal referendum and annexation of Crimea and further invasion of Ukraine in E. Ukraine.

Any country in the World who violates international law and invades their neighbors in an effort to steal territory is subject to sanctions.  Hopefully the sanctions will get worse so that the average Russian will struggle more.  Only then will Russians demand a change of leadership and throw out the dictator who has caused their suffering.

BELOW AREE NOT LUDMILA'S WORDS. Those are private krymster's words
They accidentally were included in my post. Sorry about that :
"But now while many poor Russians are struggling with higher food prices due to the sanctions imposed by America, here you are having a good life - in America.  In effect YOU are now a “hiwi”....  how ironic, no???"
ONCE AGAIN. THE ABOVE ARE PRIVATE KRYMSTER'S WORDS THAT BY MISTAKE GOT INTO MY POST.

[Gator]

“The negative impact of Soviet policies implemented in the 1930s was still fresh in the memory of Ukrainians. These included the Holodomor of 1933, the Great Terror, the persecution of intellectuals during the Great Purge of 1937–38, the massacre of Ukrainian intellectuals after the annexation of Western Ukraine from Poland in 1939, the introduction and implementation of collectivization.”

Dear Ludichka,
   Can I copy the above section of your post for the intro of my new book, called “Why Every Ukrainian should hate Moscow”?  Thanks, it’s great...

 

[AC]

But now while many poor Russians are struggling with higher food prices due to the sanctions imposed by America, here you are having a good life - in America.  In effect YOU are now a “hiwi”....  how ironic, no???

NOW, private krymster. I am not Ludochka to YOU. You will have to work your way up to a GENERAL, or, at least, a colonel, before you may address me with that familiarity.
As to the word you have coined ( or heard somewhere in your getto), a Russia's top university graduate isn't supposed to have heard it or, even more so, to use it ( and isn't recommending to others ).
Although it's beyond my dignity  ( and rank for that matter  HA-HA HA!) to polemicise with a private, I cannot help noting that since you're talking about food not for the first time,  I began doubting whether they feed you well in the army. Besides, judging by your excitement,  it looks you haven't tried anything sweeter than a carrot.
AND NOW, YOU CAN BE AT EASE.

That is your entire quote Ludmila.  Did you already forget what you wrote?  None of it is by Krimster.

[krimster2]

“NOW, private krymster.”
Jesus said, “Those who are the greatest among you should take the lowest rank”

”before you may address me with that familiarity.”
I’m sorry to hear that you’re not “familiar with privates”, I fervently hope that there will come a time when you are, and if I were not already “previously engaged” might be inclined to offer my services to assist you in this endeavor, you would of course be assured of my complete discretion.

“I cannot help noting that since you're talking about food not for the first time,  I began doubting whether they feed you well in the army”.

Well, Army food was actually more suitable for a “gourmond” then a “gourmet”, and field rations, well I won’t go into those.  On the other hand as Napolean said, “an Army marches on its stomach”, and I really didn’t do very much marching.

“Besides, judging by your excitement,  it looks you haven't tried anything sweeter than a carrot.”
“oh my God don’t stop”, yes I have!

P.S.
how about we compromise, and I’ll call you Luda??

[AC]

How did Poland escape the Soviet Union?

This was the most important thing they did, although they had made previous attempts to escape from the Evil Empire.

excerpt
"The Soviet forces that liberated Poland from Nazi occupation after World War II installed a government under which workers, employed by state-owned businesses, could not organize or represent themselves. During the 1970s, frustration with the one-party system grew and by the end of the decade, the Polish economy was near collapse.

On June 30, 1980, the government announced a 'reorganization of meat distribution' which resulted in an immediate 60% price increase and greater difficulty in obtaining meat.

On July 1, strikes broke out in factories throughout Poland, including in Ursus, Huta Warszawa, Poznan, Tczew, Mielec, and Swidnica. Workers escaped retaliation by taking their own shipyards and factories hostage. The regime outlined its position toward the strikes: there would be no repression, and negotiations were to be held at the local level with factory managers. By treating the strikes individually, the government hoped to keep the workers divided. However, this actually encouraged the formation of discussion groups and associations for collective decision-making. The newly formed networks discredited established official unions that only transmitted information from above.

By July 15, fifty strikes had broken out or were still going on. Most of the strikes lasted for only a few days, enough to make management give in to some demands. Many strikers were 'bought off' with higher wages.

On July 17, in the city of Lublin, railway workers discovered a train filled with fish on route to the USSR. They shut down rail traffic by leaving trains and engines on the tracks. A large multi-industry strike paralyzed the city including buses, bread and milk delivery, nursing, construction, and water services. A deputy Prime Minister, sent by the government, issued a summons to return to work. Workers in Lublin ended the strike two days later.

However, strikes continued throughout the rest of Poland through the beginning of August. The government had faith in its strategy of partial concessions. However concessions granted in one place inspired nearby workers, actually encouraging the strike.

After the strikes had continued for over six weeks, the government tried arresting strikers most committed to the idea of 'free trade unions,' but the strategy proved ineffective. The first repressive measure by the government took place on August 11. The police detained and held Marek Glessman, a leader of the garbage collectors' strike. Two days later in Gdansk, three Lenin Shipyard workers were fired due to connections with an underground union"



http://nvdatabase.swarthmore.edu/content/polish-workers-general-strike-economic-rights-1980

[Ludmila]

This is private krymster's part. My mouse ACCIDENTALLY  pasted into MY REPLY to him.
Private krymster :"But now while many poor Russians are struggling with higher food prices due to the sanctions imposed by America, here you are having a good life - in America.  In effect YOU are now a “hiwi”....  how ironic, no???"
See ya.

[AC]

This is private krymster's part. My mouse ACCIDENTALLY  pasted into MY REPLY to him.
Private krymster :"But now while many poor Russians are struggling with higher food prices due to the sanctions imposed by America, here you are having a good life - in America.  In effect YOU are now a “hiwi”....  how ironic, no???"
See ya.

Why don't you show me and the rest of the forum this quote of his?  I could not find it, therefore I believe those are your words.  Either way it doesn't matter.  Ukraine does not want to be subjugated by Russia anymore.

[krimster2]

Dear Luda,

“BELOW AREE NOT LUDMILA'S WORDS”

   Krimster believes that someone referring to themselves in the third person creates more of a distance between “I” and “others”.   So if someone had an exaggerated view of how great they were, they could be using this distance to make themselves appear even greater.

Krimster also has office hours between 9-5 PM, accepts most health insurance plans, and specializes in assisting female Russian patients who wish to adapt to their new American homeland while suffering from “Rodina” Disease.

All inquiries are kept in strictest confidence

[AC]

Dear Luda,

“BELOW AREE NOT LUDMILA'S WORDS”

   Krimster believes that someone referring to themselves in the third person creates more of a distance between “I” and “others”.   So if someone had an exaggerated view of how great they were, they could be using this distance to make themselves appear even greater.

Krimster also has office hours between 9-5 PM, accepts most health insurance plans, and specializes in assisting female Russian patients who wish to adapt to their new American homeland while suffering from “Rodina” Disease.

All inquiries are kept in strictest confidence

 

[AkMike]

 Gee I thought that I was the Huilomeister that banned food imports from the US/EU that caused the price spike..

"Russia bans food imports from U.S., E.U."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russia-bans-food-imports-from-us-eu/2014/08/07/a29f5bea-1e14-11e4-82f9-2cd6fa8da5c4_story.html


 Unless this is yet another example of revisionist Muskovi history? 

[cc3]

Gee I thought that I was the Huilomeister that banned food imports from the US/EU that caused the price spike..

"Russia bans food imports from U.S., E.U."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russia-bans-food-imports-from-us-eu/2014/08/07/a29f5bea-1e14-11e4-82f9-2cd6fa8da5c4_story.html


 Unless this is yet another example of revisionist Muskovi history? 

+1+1+1

[Shadow]

Not really ironic at all.  Whether escaping the former Soviet Union like Poland and the Baltic states did in order to raise their standard of living, or emigrating to America, the further away from Russia someone gets the better their life is. 

Which is why Ukraine chose to move towards the West by wanting to have an association agreement with the EU.  Moscow's puppet did nothing but steal from Ukrainians and he ran away thus resigning.  Moscow responds by an illegal referendum and annexation of Crimea and further invasion of Ukraine in E. Ukraine.

Any country in the World who violates international law and invades their neighbors in an effort to steal territory is subject to sanctions.  Hopefully the sanctions will get worse so that the average Russian will struggle more.  Only then will Russians demand a change of leadership and throw out the dictator who has caused their suffering.

*sigh*
No, Ukraine moved away from the West in order to strengthen their economy short term.
Which the West did not like, and started a campaign to remove the president which became succesful.
Repeating a lie does not make it true.

[sleepycat]

bzzzzz............... WRONG!

Cooking up a Putinist lie does not make it true.

[Shadow]

bzzzzz............... WRONG!

Cooking up a Putinist lie does not make it true.

What lie did you cook up, please enlighten us.

[Muzh]

*sigh*
No, Ukraine moved away from the West in order to strengthen their economy short term.
Which the West did not like, and started a campaign to remove the president which became succesful.
Repeating a lie does not make it true.

Promise to keep your word?


P.S. Let me know if this was an insult so I make atonement.

[Boethius]

*sigh*
No, Ukraine moved away from the West in order to strengthen their economy short term.
Which the West did not like, and started a campaign to remove the president which became succesful.
Repeating a lie does not make it true.

I believe you are wrong on this.  I don't believe the West was behind Euromaidan, although once it was in full swing, they became involved.  Read the NYT article I linked for background.

[Shadow]

Promise to keep your word?


P.S. Let me know if this was an insult so I make atonement.

I am not the one twisting stories, mine remains the same from the start to now.
Sd got indults, you can do better.

[Shadow]

I believe you are wrong on this.  I don't believe the West was behind Euromaidan, although once it was in full swing, they became involved.  Read the NYT article I linked for background.

Fortunately the truth does not depend on your belief. If you read the article, it clearly mentions the events of november 21.

[Boethius]

The truth is also not dependent on your erroneous assumptions. 

If you review the background in the NYT article, you can see that Yanukovych's decision was made because of a lack of support by his own party coupled with security forces disappearing, not Western manipulation.

[Muzh]

I am not the one twisting stories, mine remains the same from the start to now.
Sd got indults, you can do better.

Can you please turn on the lights and retype your last sentence? It really doesn't make any sense. 

[Shadow]

The truth is also not dependent on your erroneous assumptions. 

If you review the background in the NYT article, you can see that Yanukovych's decision was made because of a lack of support by his own party coupled with security forces disappearing, not Western manipulation.

The decision of Yanukovich was the end of the hidden game, not the start.
The artivle mentions that on november 21, 2013 Ukraine turned down a trade association with the EU.
Euromaidan, an EU financed protest, was the result.
You can not deny that after Yanukovich left this showed by Hans van Baalen and Guy Verhofstad (high ranked EU officials) standing on the podium shouting the phrase "WE HAVE WON". Without EU involvement there woud not be "WE".

By removing part of the timeline you try to paint a different picture, as do the media. However it was well known at the time that Ukrainians profited by switching between the Euromaidan and pro-Yanukovich protests, getting paid by both.

Ukraine has been a functioning democracy before 2014, and the happenings have only hurt the democracy instead of bringing it to a higher level. In a democracy you use elections to change government, not revolution. In a democracy all groups are equally represented and no part of the country is excluded from taking part.

Unortunately people seem to believe that the 'demo' in democracy means demonstration.

[Boethius]

The decision of Yanukovich was the end of the hidden game, not the start.
The artivle mentions that on november 21, 2013 Ukraine turned down a trade association with the EU.
Euromaidan, an EU financed protest, was the result.
You can not deny that after Yanukovich left this showed by Hans van Baalen and Guy Verhofstad (high ranked EU officials) standing on the podium shouting the phrase "WE HAVE WON". Without EU involvement there woud not be "WE".

By removing part of the timeline you try to paint a different picture, as do the media. However it was well known at the time that Ukrainians profited by switching between the Euromaidan and pro-Yanukovich protests, getting paid by both.

Ukraine has been a functioning democracy before 2014, and the happenings have only hurt the democracy instead of bringing it to a higher level. In a democracy you use elections to change government, not revolution. In a democracy all groups are equally represented and no part of the country is excluded from taking part.

Unortunately people seem to believe that the 'demo' in democracy means demonstration.

Demonstration is a part of democracy.  Yes, there were paid protesters on both sides.  However, there were many more who were there because they wanted change.  They were tired of the corruption, which had reached new heights under Yanukovych, something which I personally denied until the proof was presented.


Ukraine did not turn down a trade association agreement.  The president and his party did.  That is what protesters objected to.  They did not want more of the same, which is a dead end.  They want a different Ukraine, and they believe there is more chance of that occurring by turning West, rather than East.  Whether Ukraine will succeed is another matter.  But it has more chance to do so under EU, rather than Russian, guidance.

[Muzh]

The decision of Yanukovich was the end of the hidden game, not the start.
The artivle mentions that on november 21, 2013 Ukraine turned down a trade association with the EU.
Euromaidan, an EU financed protest, was the result.
You can not deny that after Yanukovich left this showed by Hans van Baalen and Guy Verhofstad (high ranked EU officials) standing on the podium shouting the phrase "WE HAVE WON". Without EU involvement there woud not be "WE".

By removing part of the timeline you try to paint a different picture, as do the media. However it was well known at the time that Ukrainians profited by switching between the Euromaidan and pro-Yanukovich protests, getting paid by both.

Ukraine has been a functioning democracy before 2014, and the happenings have only hurt the democracy instead of bringing it to a higher level. In a democracy you use elections to change government, not revolution. In a democracy all groups are equally represented and no part of the country is excluded from taking part.

Unortunately people seem to believe that the 'demo' in democracy means demonstration.

Shouldn't you start that sentence with: "IMHO"?