So does anyone here ever go to Ukraine or Russia to date anymore?

[LAman]

but but butt 

I still haven't seen an answer to why several members (more then one) has said on numerous times, stay away from these Odessa girls..
What makes them such a "bad" choice?

I have been to Odesa numerous times, in fact, I will be there soon. I know enough people there to know the good and the bad. The bad can be anywhere, any city any country. The 'bad rap'  is the girls are so sexy, so gorgeous that men flop to them....you know the old geezers looking for some PYT!! Actually I cheer these girls for empting their wallets, if guy is not going to be realistic why not earn some pay and boost economy. The foolishness I see!!!
Then the foolish men come to sites and BLAME city and the girls for their indiscretions!!!

As I have said before, if you don't have good bait swim in other ponds where there is little competition!!

[jone]

Yes, but Odessa is one of the few cities where there is actually a forum for women to go to refine their scamming skills.   This forum is dedicated to the extremely large number of women there who make their entire living off of MOB hunters.

[LAman]

Yes, but Odessa is one of the few cities where there is actually a forum for women to go to refine their scamming skills.   This forum is dedicated to the extremely large number of women there who make their entire living off of MOB hunters.

They make their money off the weak, irresponsible, desperate, unrealistic men shooting for girls 15-20 or even 30 years younger. Do you see anything wrong with THAT picture???

Scamming skills??? That is funny. You don't need much skills when you got Mr Out-of-his-league comes a calling!!!

[ML]

I have been to Odesa numerous times, in fact, I will be there soon. I know enough people there to know the good and the bad. The bad can be anywhere, any city any country. The 'bad rap'  is the girls are so sexy, so gorgeous that men flop to them....you know the old geezers looking for some PYT!! Actually I cheer these girls for empting their wallets, if guy is not going to be realistic why not earn some pay and boost economy. The foolishness I see!!!
Then the foolish men come to sites and BLAME city and the girls for their indiscretions!!!

As I have said before, if you don't have good bait swim in other ponds where there is little competition!!

Men go to every city in Ukraine seeking women out of their league;  so this is nothing special about Odesa.

But what is special about Odesa is that the women there are much more highly inclined to con and scam all men.

[RoboCop]

Yes, but Odessa is one of the few cities where there is actually a forum for women to go to refine their scamming skills.   This forum is dedicated to the extremely large number of women there who make their entire living off of MOB hunters.

Interesting. I didn't know that. A city filled with scammers seems like something you'd read in a comic book.

[RoboCop]

They make their money off the weak, irresponsible, desperate, unrealistic men shooting for girls 15-20 or even 30 years younger. Do you see anything wrong with THAT picture???

Scamming skills??? That is funny. You don't need much skills when you got Mr Out-of-his-league comes a calling!!!

I do often wonder what exactly goes on in the head of such men. Not only at an intellectual level, but also experientially as well. What type of similar life circumstances do they all have that has resulted in such naivety? It's like the guys who come on the forums and say they're 55 but look 40, and therefore want a women in their early 30's; it doesn't change the fact that they're 50 something, and it's interesting how they ignore that.

I know MOB sites like A Foreign Affair and Anastasia Date market this idea, and to some extent, even Mark Davis the commercial operator who posts here now and then does too, cause he's like 20 years older than his Ukrainian wife.
 
Maybe Ukraine is hyped up to be the land of milk and honey, like Never Never Land from Peter Pan.

I saw it first hand when in Kiev briefly. I can only imagine how common this phenomenon really is. They should start thinking with the bigger of their two heads.

[RoboCop]

I guess another one bites the dust with mroz87. That's too bad, I was gunning for him.

[LAman]

Men go to every city in Ukraine seeking women out of their league;  so this is nothing special about Odesa.

But what is special about Odesa is that the women there are much more highly inclined to con and scam all men.

I think it is the lure of the women there. For the many who have never visited Odesa, it the environment there of
women dressed to the tee, the clubs in Arkadia( your eye balls drop at sights), and even in the city, it is the amount of money you see thrown around at fancy plush restaurants....all in a condensed area. And yes in summer you get plenty of gals from other Ukrainian cities!!!! Maybe as Jone pointed out, to sharpen their scamming skills and bring this info back to their cities!!!

[Patagonie]

I do often wonder what exactly goes on in the head of such men. Not only at an intellectual level, but also experientially as well. What type of similar life circumstances do they all have that has resulted in such naivety? It's like the guys who come on the forums and say they're 55 but look 40, and therefore want a women in their early 30's; it doesn't change the fact that they're 50 something, and it's interesting how they ignore that.

I know MOB sites like A Foreign Affair and Anastasia Date market this idea, and to some extent, even Mark Davis the commercial operator who posts here now and then does too, cause he's like 20 years older than his Ukrainian wife.
 
Maybe Ukraine is hyped up to be the land of milk and honey, like Never Never Land from Peter Pan.

I saw it first hand when in Kiev briefly. I can only imagine how common this phenomenon really is. They should start thinking with the bigger of their two heads.

It is a little more subtle and pernicious.
Be allowing men to start a relationship (virtual) to beautiful photoshoped profiles it gives to this men a false entitlement to date
a court they never approached (for most of them).
This has two consequences :
They are not educated or warned of HOW to date FSU women.
As they have dropped their guard they are easily taken for a ride.

To summarize the paradox is that not only the MOB is massively scamming these men but they prepared them to be shaved a second time.

[northkape]

I think it is the lure of the women there. For the many who have never visited Odesa, it the environment there of
women dressed to the tee, the clubs in Arkadia( your eye balls drop at sights), and even in the city, it is the amount of money you see thrown around at fancy plush restaurants....all in a condensed area. And yes in summer you get plenty of gals from other Ukrainian cities!!!!

Agree with LAman
I posted this half a year ago:
So if you go looking for "eye candy" women in summertime, downtown Odessa is where to be, it will definitely twist your head off it's shoulders.
Even Tanya commented on all the beautiful women several times, when we spent a few days there a month ago.

I had a lot of communication with some stunning Odessa girls that were truly serious about finding a man for marrying.
Unfortunately I didn't manage to meet with more than two of them, one a 35 doctor, the other a 34 lawyer, both of them very nice women.
Then of course, with my monitored web page arrangement, for absolutely avoiding unserious women,,,,
I always knew that 100% of the women I communicated with were seriously interested in a relationship with me, and my two boys.

So of course you can find serious women in Odessa also.
The godmother of Tanya's daughter, and also one of her best friends, is a very beautiful young woman from Odessa,
She is happily married with a nice, but also older Swedish man, and after 2 years together she gave birth to their first son a month ago.
I remember her telling me on Skype, when I wanted to ask her (she speaks fluent English) about Tanya almost a year ago:
"Tanya likes you very much, and you will not find a nicer woman to marry with, do believe me,,, I have known her since childhood"
They are living only 2 hours away from us, so I think we will be seeing them quite often.

RoboCop
All kinds of men,, throughout the history of mankind,, very often wanted a "younger woman" when they had the opportunity to choose.

In my opinion, a marriage with a large age gap can succeed or fail, in equal ways, as an ordinary marriage with a smaller age gap.
Just as in every other marriage, it depends on the persons involved, and what they feel comfortable with in their lives.
For a large majority of women and men going into a relationship, they don't want, or feel good about a large age gap between them.
But it is no way related to an intellectual level or a way of defying the logics of life, it is simply a voluntary relationship between two adults.
For me personally, when looking back at my search through a large amount of much younger single mothers, for the one to marry with,,,,,
I clearly see a relation between their "intellectual" level and my ability, as a much older divorced man with children also, to be attractive for them.
Primarily I tried to search for those with higher education and a successful life, because I believed them to be more adaptable to a new society.
A lot of women however, don't always tell in their profiles, so I did communicate with some very nice women not fulfilling these search criteria.
Many times, I happened to find an interesting single mother that ticked all fields in my search criteria, except for higher education and a nice job.
But it seldom got to the point of them finding me at "my age" to be attractive, after prolonged mail communication, on Skype, or when meeting in person.

[Larry1]

Then of course, with my monitored web page arrangement, for absolutely avoiding unserious women,,,,
I always knew that 100% of the women I communicated with were seriously interested in a relationship with me, and my two boys.

I'd like to know more about your monitored web page arrangement for avoiding unserious women.

But even if it sometimes happened to be a very interesting woman, it almost never got to the point of mutual attraction on Skype or when meeting.

For the benefit of new guys reading the forum I would like to echo Northcape's point that it usually requires communicating with a great many girls before finding one with whom one really clicks.  When I began my search, five years ago, I didn't realize this.  I kind of assumed that I would write to some girls, skype with them, find one (or more) to visit, continue communicating and visiting, then get married.  I've seen this work for a few people but it doesn't seem to work for many. For most people this is a longer and more difficult process.  International relationships aren't easy.

[fathertime]

  When I began my search, five years ago, I didn't realize this.  I kind of assumed that I would write to some girls, skype with them, find one (or more) to visit, continue communicating and visiting, then get married.  I've seen this work for a few people but it doesn't seem to work for many. For most people this is a longer and more difficult process.  International relationships aren't easy.

I can recall feeling the same as you...there were so many willing and beautiful ladies...it was just a matter of picking one!  I wound up taking a few years myself before settling on one.  All the while I learned a lot of the nuances which was helpful when I did find the one.


Fathertime! 

[ML]

  I wound up taking a few years myself before settling on one. 
Fathertime!

Don't just settle for one.

Become a Muslim or a Mormon spin-off member, and have two or more.

[northkape]

Don't just settle for one.

Become a Muslim or a Mormon spin-off member, and have two or more.

Yes, it sounds good ML,,,,,
In reality however, it is more than enough trouble keeping one woman happy...
As I have said before:
Dating all these lovely women, is like being in heaven,,
Choosing only one is like being in hell,,,

[Muzh]

I guess another one bites the dust with mroz87. That's too bad, I was gunning for him.

Are you surprised? I'm not.


Typically, insecure people cannot stand CONSTRUCTIVE criticism because it shatters their reality.

[Muzh]

I'd like to know more about your monitored web page arrangement for avoiding unserious women.

If you cannot monitor unserious women without the help of some program, you are in trouble.

[northkape]

I'd like to know more about your monitored web page arrangement for avoiding unserious women.

Larry1
You can read more about it in the middle of this page:
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=15509.475

Make a webpage with photos of your life, family, interests and things that are important for you.
But never flash with any kind of monetary wealth.
Divide it into several pages and photos to click on, then add stacounter or similar. 
http://statcounter.com

With the help of a link to such a page in your intro letter, you can monitor what your prospects are interested in.
Any woman that is truly interested in you, will be clicking on all photos at least once, often several times.
Same as you would do if she had a webpage.
You can see what they click on, for how long they look at every photo or page, and if they return for repeat visits.
A woman not interested in you, will never waste time clicking on your link at all,, so her letter is headed directly for the trash can.
By doing this simple setup,, you are suddenly free of all scammers and unserious women.
All gone and no more worries, only the serious one to care about,,,

[northkape]

Just from curiosity I logged on, and checked my profile page at statcounter,,,,

And I was surprised to find,, that there are many Ukraine women that probably saved my link,
and still go to my page to look at my photos, almost a year after I ended my search.

Look at the date,, this is a Ukraine woman, very interested in viewing my photos,,,

[Gylden]

Are you sure it's a woman?
 

[ML]

Divide it into several pages and photos to click on, then add stacounter or similar. 
http://statcounter.com

WOW, I am impressed and jealous concerning your skills in this area.

I suspect you could make a lot of money setting up such webpages for other guys.

But, I also suspect you have no time to do such.

Anyway, great job.

[jone]

WOW, I am impressed and jealous concerning your skills in this area.

I suspect you could make a lot of money setting up such webpages for other guys.

But, I also suspect you have no time to do such.

Anyway, great job.

+1

[BillyB]

Are you sure it's a woman?
 

Northkape's page was visited for 37 minutes. Somebody is horny for him.

[northkape]

Are you sure it's a woman?
 

Except for here, I never sent the link to any man,,, smile
But who knows,, anything is possible......
And I or we,,,, will never, ever, get to know the answer.

[northkape]

When going back there now, reviewing all the work I did when preparing for my search,,,
Looking at my page again, I became a little nostalgic, so carefully tuned, to capture the mind of single mothers in Ukraine ------>>>

For those interested,,, look at the nice slideshow on the front page here:
(Yes, it was incredibly effective, for getting in touch with young single mothers)

http://www.northkape.com/pictures/index.html

 

[northkape]

ML and Jone....

Thanks for the praise,,,

Billy,, your dirty mind,, smile

And you are almost right ML,, but it's not about time,, but rather what I find interesting in life.
At the moment it's Tanya,,
Planning and setting up a business for her, with intelligent marketing through a webpage of course.
She wants to start working from day one,, having her own economy, as she don't like asking me for money.

Personally I'm almost totally broke these days,,
probably need to extend my credit card debt if I'm to drive to Ukraine, tomorrow evening.