The Failure of Diplomacy in Ukraine

[Doll]

Why would you be proud of a leader who plunged a neighbour into war?

He didn't

[BillyB]

While the West has publically said they don't want to supply Ukraine with weapons before the peace meeting in Minsk in order to calm Putin's fears, the rebels have their own statement to make before peace talks.


Eat sh!t and die.

[Изумруд]

Running Supplies with the Dudayev Battalion: Russian Roulette (Dispatch 92).  Some interesting interviews from foreign fighters on this latest dispatch.

[southernX]

simply more talk from those in the EU/US
they need to grow a set and make a decision on their long term position towards russias invasion & proxy war against ukraine

what ukraine needs is action

those leaders charged with defending ukraines territorial integrity have been shown to be weak and out manouvered at every turn by putin ,

he has assesed them at close range and made the decision they are weak and dont have the required constitutional fortitude to match his game plan
he has rightly understood they wil buckle when the pressure is applied

hollande , cameron , obama , merkel , all have failed in meeting putins challenge , he knows it , they know it ,

if they continue to do nothing , putin will take ukraine as much as he wants , regroup , bunker down and withstand the economic low and rebuild his miliary even bigger to push again in the next few years ,

putin strategy is clear , they just wont face up to it and accept he cannot be trusted and must be stopped , now , or later , its the cost that will rise over time with their in action

SX

[Boethius]

He didn't

Yes he did.

[Boethius]

Thanks, Изумруд.  I read Vice News, which started as a small Montreal site, daily.

[Изумруд]

Thanks, Изумруд.  I read Vice News, which started as a small Montreal site, daily.

Yes, I like it too.  I don't think it's biased at all as some have said; although, the original journalist Simon Ostrovsky, who was kidnapped and beaten up by the DPR seems to have stopped reporting on the war.

[Muzh]

He didn't

Brain, I want brain

[lordtiberius]

Brain, I want brain

Finally something I can agree with . . .

[BillyB]

Doll!!!, Putin is helping out with Egypt's nuke program. He said in the article below "If final decisions are made, it will mean not just building a nuclear power plant, it means the creation of the entire new atomic industry in Egypt". Hopefully he's not creating another Iran. The Middle East already has one Iran too many.


Putin is doing an excellent job cutting into American interests. He recently had a billions of dollars of arms deals with Egypt and Iran. America gives billions of dollars to Egypt in aid every year. Obama recently gave Iran almost 12 billion just to motivate them to talk. You recently asked us if we are okay with our tax dollars going to a war. You are an American taxpayer too and now I ask you "Are you okay with your American tax dollars going to countries that are buying billions of dollars worth of Russian arms? Putin is thrilled Obama is passing out American dollars that will land in his pocket and selling Russian weapons that will make America's world more dangerous. My guess is you are thrilled too.


Oh yeah Baby! American dollars are so strong and feel so good. I'll trade you missiles and a nuke reactor for them. Deal

[fathertime]

Doll!!!, Putin is helping out with Egypt's nuke program. He said in the article below "If final decisions are made, it will mean not just building a nuclear power plant, it means the creation of the entire new atomic industry in Egypt".

Wow, helping the Middle East become more nuclearized...that is just great..     We (the USA) have created this monster by being to aggressive in our 'regime changing' attempts.  I hold that much of the world didn't/doesn't like that, although they bit their tongues at the time.....Now it seems that Russia is going to make us pay...and pay dearly.    Yeah, negotiating a deal in Ukraine*even if it is lopsided* is better than the various tricks Russia may have in their bag.  Clearly nations are willing to work with Russia more so then we might have realized...


Fathertime!   

[Boethius]

Yes, because Russia never would have made such promises to Egypt or in the past, Iran, or supported Syria, or North Korea, had Ukraine not had regime change.

[fathertime]

Yes, because Russia never would have made such promises to Egypt or in the past, Iran, or supported Syria, or North Korea, had Ukraine not had regime change.

We don't know what would/ or will wind up happening...but it seems clear at this point Russia will pull out all the stops now that they have been heavily sanctioned and the West is contemplating arms for Ukraine.  I'm pretty sure you, and many others have underestimated the steps Russia is willing to take to get their way in this particular case. 


Fathertime!   

[lordtiberius]

We don't know what would/ or will wind up happening...but it seems clear at this point Russia will pull out all the stops now that they have been heavily sanctioned and the West is contemplating arms for Ukraine.  I'm pretty sure you, and many others have underestimated the steps Russia is willing to take to get their way in this particular case. 


Fathertime!

Reading your posts is a guaranteed knee slapper.  Too bad too many people are dying on both sides to make you funny. 

Can you defend the use of child soldiers fighting for Novorossiya?

[fathertime]

Reading your posts is a guaranteed knee slapper.  Too bad too many people are dying on both sides to make you funny. 

Glad to bring a little brightness to your day, Sunshine! 
 


Fathertime! 

[lordtiberius]

Glad to bring a little brightness to your day, Sunshine! 
 


Fathertime!

Yeah

[mendeleyev]

Neville, when will cowards ever learn?

Giving up a piece of anything to the playground bully is like offering your apple, all the while hoping that he won't notice your cheeseburger.

Anyone who thinks that Putin has only recently desired to reconstitute the CCCP or Rus Empire is a fool.

[Doll]

Doll!!!, Putin is helping out with Egypt's nuke program. He said in the article below "If final decisions are made, it will mean not just building a nuclear power plant, it means the creation of the entire new atomic industry in Egypt". Hopefully he's not creating another Iran. The Middle East already has one Iran too many.


Putin is doing an excellent job cutting into American interests. He recently had a billions of dollars of arms deals with Egypt and Iran. America gives billions of dollars to Egypt in aid every year. Obama recently gave Iran almost 12 billion just to motivate them to talk. You recently asked us if we are okay with our tax dollars going to a war. You are an American taxpayer too and now I ask you "Are you okay with your American tax dollars going to countries that are buying billions of dollars worth of Russian arms? Putin is thrilled Obama is passing out American dollars that will land in his pocket and selling Russian weapons that will make America's world more dangerous. My guess is you are thrilled too.

 

Come on- the USA do same (cutting into)

[lordtiberius]

Neville, when will cowards ever learn?

Giving up a piece of anything to the playground bully is like offering your apple, all the while hoping that he won't notice your cheeseburger.

Anyone who thinks that Putin has only recently desired to reconstitute the CCCP or Rus Empire is a fool.

Can you elaborate on this?  To many of us in the West, Alexander Dugin and his ilk are strangers to us.  But they have influence over Novorossiya and Greece.  Thank you in advance.

[AC]

Can you elaborate on this?  To many of us in the West, Alexander Dugin and his ilk are strangers to us.  But they have influence over Novorossiya and Greece.  Thank you in advance.

He was referring to "fathertime".

[Изумруд]

An interesting synopsis of Putin's position from Bill Browder:

Nearly every investor, world leader and concerned citizen is looking at Vladimir Putin right now and wondering if he will back down or escalate Russia's military involvement in Ukraine. That one outcome will determine the future of European security and economic stability for years to come.

I'm afraid that, based on the reasons behind Putin's motivations for invading Ukraine in the first place, there is no chance that he will back down. To understand this, all it takes is a simple analysis of how this crisis unfolded.

http://www.institutionalinvestorsalpha.com/Article/3426269/Unhedged-Commentary-Putin-Will-Never-Back-Down.html?LS=Twitter

[fathertime]

Neville, when will cowards ever learn?

Giving up a piece of anything to the playground bully is like offering your apple, all the while hoping that he won't notice your cheeseburger.

Anyone who thinks that Putin has only recently desired to reconstitute the CCCP or Rus Empire is a fool.

Name calling from mendeleyev...but let's remember it isn't me making the decisions for the Western nations...so who is neville, Merkel, Obama?


The Western nations are making the right move to this point and have struck a balance...it is the lessor of two evils. 






Fathertime!   

[Boethius]

We don't know what would/ or will wind up happening...but it seems clear at this point Russia will pull out all the stops now that they have been heavily sanctioned and the West is contemplating arms for Ukraine.  I'm pretty sure you, and many others have underestimated the steps Russia is willing to take to get their way in this particular case. 


Fathertime!

I'm pretty sure you have overestimated Russia. 


Russian citizens will not support an intervention in which their sons are openly going home in body bags.

[BillyB]

Come on- the USA do same (cutting into)

You're right, both America and Russia gets involved in other people's business. America gives billions to Iran in hopes they abandon their nuke weapons program so the world will be a safer place. Russia sells them weapons. Some of the weapons will be bought with American dollars. Some of these weapons will end up in the hands of radicals around the Middle East. America gives billions to Egypt because they have a lot of influence over neighboring nations and various groups so Egypt is important in the sense that it can help stabilize the Middle East to prevent war. Russia sells weapons to Egypt, which is under a new government, and some of it are paid for by American tax dollars. Although both nations get involved with other nations business, we have different agendas. Russia's agenda is a selfish one. America's agenda is one that benefits not only ourselves, but the world.


What about my other question? Are you okay with your tax dollars buying Russian arms? I remember you once said you don't like war. I wonder if it affects your opinion on this issue.

Russian citizens will not support an intervention in which their sons are openly going home in body bags.

According to this forum and other news sites where I see Russians commenting, they are supporting the current intervention. One of the keys are the body bags must not go home openly. State controlled media will help in getting the facts right.


If Russia starts a full invasion with his army under the pretext ethnic Russians are getting killed by Ukrainian soldiers armed with NATO weapons, I'm sure Doll and the majority of her fellow citizens will give support to Putin. The issue isn't about a nobody like Afghanistan. The issue is about the most important country to Russia outside of Russia.

[fathertime]

I'm pretty sure you have overestimated Russia. 


Russian citizens will not support an intervention in which their sons are openly going home in body bags.

It is possible you are correct but I really don't think so...I believe Russia will escalate and not back down...hopefully there is a diplomatic solution prior to that as what we are seeing thus far from the west APPEARS to be posturing.



Fathertime!