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"Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« on: February 11, 2015, 03:06:18 AM »
UK Foreign Secretary Hammond has declared "Britain reserves the right to arm Ukraine and could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse ".

The message to Putler is clear...the Lion is starting to stir.

Moves are going on behind the scenes along with the USA..so the Russian tyrant had better accept the peace terms offered by Merkel...or his terrorists/armed forces will be tanking as quickly as his economy.
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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2015, 03:40:44 AM »
"Russian tyrant" won't.
Don't tease the bear.
PLUS there are no Russian troops in Ukraine  8)
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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2015, 03:48:46 AM »
No Russian troops in Ukraine Doll ?

Well who's troops invaded Crimea then,despite the Russian tyrant lying and saying they weren't his troops before he then had to admit they were ?

If he won't accept the peace deal as you say then that's fine..let's see who comes to regret that shall we ?
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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2015, 03:56:33 AM »
Quote from: Doll on February 11, 2015, 03:40:44 AM
"Russian tyrant" won't.
Don't tease the bear.
PLUS there are no Russian troops in Ukraine  8)

He confessed himself to Merkel that there are russian troops in Donetsk.  :popcorn:
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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2015, 04:07:04 AM »
Putin AND Lavrov are attending the peace talks today..looks like the bullying Russians are getting nervous now.
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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2015, 04:17:34 AM »
Quote from: Chelseaboy on February 11, 2015, 04:07:04 AM
Putin AND Lavrov are attending the peace talks today..looks like the bullying Russians are getting nervous now.
Who bullies whom?
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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2015, 04:19:23 AM »
Quote from: Chelseaboy on February 11, 2015, 03:48:46 AM
No Russian troops in Ukraine Doll ?

Well who's troops invaded Crimea then,despite the Russian tyrant lying and saying they weren't his troops before he then had to admit they were ?

If he won't accept the peace deal as you say then that's fine..let's see who comes to regret that shall we ?
Crimea is Russia
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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2015, 04:38:19 AM »
Nope Doll..you're wrong again.

Invading another country,stealing part of it's land ,then holding an illegal referendum declaring it's yours doesn't make that land yours.

I realise that's how bullying Russians think,but it isn't how the rest of the World thinks.

Try again with your pro- Putler propaganda..you're not doing so well.
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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2015, 05:21:41 AM »
Quote from: Doll on February 11, 2015, 03:40:44 AM
"Russian tyrant" won't.
Don't tease the bear.
PLUS there are no Russian troops in Ukraine  8)

And you claim to be a school teacher?  How sad and pathetic is this, that young minds are exposed to an implant like you.   :cluebat:

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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2015, 05:25:24 AM »
Quote from: Chelseaboy on February 11, 2015, 03:06:18 AM
UK Foreign Secretary Hammond has declared "Britain reserves the right to arm Ukraine and could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse ".

The message to Putler is clear...the Lion is starting to stir.

Moves are going on behind the scenes along with the USA..so the Russian tyrant had better accept the peace terms offered by Merkel...or his terrorists/armed forces will be tanking as quickly as his economy.

This is really great news Chelseaboy!  Thank God for our British cousins!  I can see and feel a real change coming!  I can see and feel an image of Winston Churchill declaring some famous words and rousing the freedom loving people of the World to another battle of good versus evil!
« Last Edit: February 11, 2015, 05:27:07 AM by AC »
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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2015, 05:33:13 AM »
This is the same guy not 4 days ago who said arming Ukraine is out the window.  Until I see Challenger tanks flying the Ukrainian flag or British tornados shooting Russian warplanes out of the sky, this is more David Cameron blarney.
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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2015, 05:39:31 AM »
BTW, Crimea was "gifted" to Ukraine illegally so this "gifting" should be annulled (and it was).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_transfer_of_Crimea
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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2015, 05:44:11 AM »
Somebody forgot the History. 8)
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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2015, 05:45:26 AM »
Quote from: Doll on February 11, 2015, 05:39:31 AM
BTW, Crimea was "gifted" to Ukraine illegally so this "gifting" should be annulled (and it was).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_transfer_of_Crimea

Oh, so now you're claiming that Kruschev giving Crimea to Ukraine where it belonged was "illegal"?  How convenient that Russians sometimes tell the truth and sometimes tell lies when it comes to something so sacred as an International border and sovereignty.

Who wants to do business with or trust such a nefarious group of people?  The Chinese?  Putin and Russia is going to find out the hard way that not being able to honor treaties will bite them in the end.
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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2015, 05:48:15 AM »
Quote from: AC on February 11, 2015, 05:45:26 AM
Oh, so now you're claiming that Kruschev giving Crimea to Ukraine where it belonged was "illegal"?   
It was illegal.
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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2015, 05:57:15 AM »
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Крымская область была передана из состава РСФСР в состав УССР 19 февраля 1954 года по личной инициативе главы КПСС Н.С. Хрущева к 300-летию Переяславской Рады в знак вечной дружбы русского и украинского народов. Это было решено 25 января 1954 года на заседании Президиума ЦК КПСС и затем оформлено сначала указом Президиума ВС РСФСР от 5 февраля 1954 года, затем указом Президиума ВС УССР от 13 февраля и, наконец, указом президиума Верховного Совета СССР от 19 февраля того же года.

Вся эта цепочка указов была незаконна, так как: а) Президиум ЦК КПСС не имел права передавать территории одной республики другой, б) Конституция РСФСР 1937 года не называет в числе полномочий Президиума Верховного Совета РСФСР право решать вопросы территориальной целостности РСФСР, в) вообще никакие органы государственной власти РСФСР не были наделены правом изменять территорию РСФСР или давать согласие на ее изменение.

Единственным способом получения согласия РСФСР на изменение ее территории был бы референдум. И пункт «г» статьи 33 Конституции Российской Федерации наделял Президиум Верховного Совета правом проводить всенародный опрос (референдум). В 1954 году этого сделано не было: референдум, учитывающий мнение жителей Крыма, при передаче не проводился. Таким образом, акты 1954 года о передаче Крымской области из состава РСФСР в состав УССР не имеют юридической силы с момента их принятия.
http://www.rusidea.org/?a=25021906
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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2015, 06:00:42 AM »
Things are changing very quickly i suspect lordtiberius.

Maybe the USA has been in touch with the UK about arming Ukraine.

The sudden urgency from Merkel and the French President about brokering a peace deal would suggest something is afoot..even Obama is changing his tone somewhat.
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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2015, 06:45:04 AM »
CB, I hope you are right and I am wrong.  Cameron and Obama have disappointed us before and we should remember that.  The British people are string and sagacious.  They will stand for freedom and democracy.
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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2015, 08:27:54 AM »
You can keep posting that lie, Doll.  It won't make it accurate, no matter how many times you post it.
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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2015, 08:40:33 AM »
Quote from: Doll on February 11, 2015, 03:40:44 AM
"Russian tyrant" won't.
Don't tease the bear.
PLUS there are no Russian troops in Ukraine  8)


Yes, there are Russian troops in Ukraine.
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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2015, 08:42:11 AM »
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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2015, 08:44:48 AM »
Quote from: lordtiberius on February 11, 2015, 05:33:13 AM
This is the same guy not 4 days ago who said arming Ukraine is out the window.  Until I see Challenger tanks flying the Ukrainian flag or British tornados shooting Russian warplanes out of the sky, this is more David Cameron blarney.

Actually, it was the UK's defense minister who stated that. I commented he'd be told to change his mind and that's what's happened I'd guess...

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=18875.msg392485#msg392485

It seems the floodgates are opening now. A combination of Obama giving a (partial) nod to escalation, the Allies getting sick of the mini martinet's antics and the ridiculousness of Merkel's "peace for our time" Neville Chamberlain impression have all factored edit to add IMO.

Maybe, just maybe the core NATO countries have finished their dithering and are settling to the task ahead.

It's (well past) time for all civilized nations to contribute to the liberation of Russian held Ukraine. Good to see the UK has now declared their edit to add: position on the matter.

Brass
 
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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2015, 09:30:16 AM »
Quote from: Boethius on February 11, 2015, 08:27:54 AM
You can keep posting that lie, Doll.  It won't make it accurate, no matter how many times you post it.
Easy, hear me?  :crackwhip:
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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2015, 09:32:45 AM »
Yes.  However, posting the same lie over and over again won't make it true.
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Re: "Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2015, 09:36:31 AM »
Quote from: Doll on February 11, 2015, 03:40:44 AM
Don't tease the bear.
PLUS there are no Russian troops in Ukraine  8)

That's a blatant lie Doll!

 Not only are there Muskovi troops in eastern Ukraine as well as their tanks and artillery.

 But there are troops inn Krym and that is Ukraine acknowledged by everyone in the world except  you and the huilomeister.
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