Russian General in Debaltseve?

[jone]

Geez, guys,

You mean wearing the uniform of the DNR means that he is a mediator?  Sometimes I want to throw up when I hear some of the conjured up excuses the Russians come up with.  I suppose all of those tanks that came across the border to wipe out the Ukrainians in Debal'tsave were actually 'Mediator' tanks as well, shuttling back and forth between the ATO and the DNR forces, spreading good will.

Hey, I agree that the US has stuck its nose in many places it didn't belong.  The difference is that the US military has to face the people of the United States, me being one of them.  The military of Russia answers to only one person.  And the rest of the country has no say.  That is a dictatorship.  It wasn't this way when I was doing business there not more than ten years ago.  Russians need to take off their rose colored glasses and see their government for what it is. 

[BillyB]

You mean wearing the uniform of the DNR means that he is a mediator?

In fairness to what Belvis was saying, when the general puts on his Russian uniform, he has met with Ukrainian generals to coordinate ceasefires in the past in the link below. Unfortunately the majority of Russians think their mediator soldiers in Ukraine are to promote peace and their other soldiers who picked up arms are just following their hearts to rescue Ukrainians from the Nazis. They refuse to believe Putin is killing their fellow Slavic brothers. They refuse to believe the majority of Ukrainians prefer the West over Russia.


http://cricket.yahoo.com/photos/top-news-photos-1370239005-slideshow/general-lentsov-head-russian-military-observers-ukrainian-general-photo-160440413.html

[sleepycat]

Up to now I did not see the evidences of "thousands of troops pouring over the border" except that I hear they exist.

What you see is what mongoloid Putin's propaganda ministry allows you to see. 

[JayH]

General Lentsov was always there as a mediator force. He visited rebels and Ukrainian army both, kind of shuttle. There are a team of  Russian officers in Ukrainian army as observer mission for cease-fires.

Ukraine has thrown all  the military might  they can master. However this might is limited as not many Ukrainians want to participate in civil war.  Of course, propaganda figthers want to allure  more soldiers but people in field (locals) know situation there much better than readers in US

So-- what was he doing at the battle for Donetsk airport? 
It is not a civil war--it is a War created by the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Belvis--it is not the US--or readers in the US tht creates the information-- that comes from the free people of Ukraine--unlike the lies created by the Kremlin puppets and trolls-- no matter how you try and change the obvious--Russia has invaded Ukraine.

[southernX]

In fairness to what Belvis was saying, when the general puts on his Russian uniform, he has met with Ukrainian generals to coordinate ceasefires in the past in the link below. Unfortunately the majority of Russians think their mediator soldiers in Ukraine are to promote peace and their other soldiers who picked up arms are just following their hearts to rescue Ukrainians from the Nazis. They refuse to believe Putin is killing their fellow Slavic brothers. They refuse to believe the majority of Ukrainians prefer the West over Russia.


http://cricket.yahoo.com/photos/top-news-photos-1370239005-slideshow/general-lentsov-head-russian-military-observers-ukrainian-general-photo-160440413.html

bloody hell, why would you invite the general of a russian army [the aggressor ] to come into your military zone to talk about a ceasfire issue , when all the while he would be asessing your positions etc etc

almost unbelievably stupid !!!!!

SX

[BillyB]

bloody hell, why would you invite the general of a russian army [the aggressor ] to come into your military zone to talk about a ceasfire issue , when all the while he would be asessing your positions etc etc

almost unbelievably stupid !!!!!

SX

I'm not sure Ukraine invited them in. According to the photo, Russia sent 76 Russian officers to help organize the cease fire last year. Ukraine couldn't stop those officers from coming in the country if they wanted to but were motivated in establishing a ceasefire even if they had to talk to the enemy. Those officers were to help guide the rebels to a peaceful ceasefire but the move was more like a Trojan horse to bring Russian officers into the country to lead the rebels in future assaults as we can see a Russian general gave up his Russian uniform for a rebel uniform. Russia denies that their officers were even in Ukraine. Got to keep people believing Putin didn't send troops there.


Background check shows general Lentsov is an airborne troop commander. His skills are more in tuned with a role on the battlefield rather than as a mediator.

[lordtiberius]

I am told the Russians have a saying: call things by their own name.

The New Gazette to publish Kremlin plan to partition Ukraine
http://meduza.io/news/2015/02/19/glavred-novoy-gazety-anonsiroval-publikatsiyu-stsenariya-konflikta-na-ukraine

[Doll]

BTW, I've looked through both Russian and Ukrainian sources- they mostly say that the man on the video "looks like Lentsov". He is not identified.

[Doll]

Of course there are Russian troops in the occupied territories of Ukraine.  A bunch of miners couldn't operate the sophisticated weaponry unleashed not only on Ukrainian soldiers, but also on Ukrainain civilians.

 

Hahaaaaaaaaa I am suggesting Department of States from now on refer to Boe as the most reliable source.
If Boe says "of course" then this is a fact

[lordtiberius]

Hahaaaaaaaaa I am suggesting Department of States from now on refer to Boe as the most reliable source.
If Boe says "of course" then this is a fact

?

[BillyB]

BTW, I've looked through both Russian and Ukrainian sources- they mostly say that the man on the video "looks like Lentsov". He is not identified.

It's good news nobody is saying the video was doctored. Of course he's not identified. The "unidentified little green men" trick works. People have a choice to believe something or not even when they can see it with their own eyes. I showed you a photo of General Lentsov standing next to a Ukrainian general in Ukraine to assist in carrying out last years ceasefire. He's there and he's Putin's lead man in Ukraine.


Poroshenko has called for UN peacekeepers to assist in the ceasefire. What do you think about that Doll. If it will help save lives and stop the fighting, are you for it or against it?

[Boethius]

Hahaaaaaaaaa I am suggesting Department of States from now on refer to Boe as the most reliable source.
If Boe says "of course" then this is a fact

The State Department has to apply diplomacy.  I don't. 


Do you really believe some miner who has never fired a sophisticated weapon is firing rockets from a Russian system?

[Doll]

  I showed you a photo of General Lentsov standing next to a Ukrainian general in Ukraine to assist in carrying out last years ceasefire. He's there and he's Putin's lead man in Ukraine.


Poroshenko has called for UN peacekeepers to assist in the ceasefire. What do you think about that Doll. If it will help save lives and stop the fighting, are you for it or against it?

They all say " a man who looks like Lentsonv"
What do I think about assisting? If NATO does it then bye-bye Europe.

[Doll]

BillyB, my simple vision aboud assistance that Poroshenko wants- after the person signs the Agreement to stop the war he asks for this kind of help-it means he WANTS war. As simple as that.

[Boethius]

Or maybe he just say reality - terrorists still fighting in Debaltseve, and right now, bombing outside Mariupol. 

[Faux Pas]

BillyB, my simple vision aboud assistance that Poroshenko wants- after the person signs the Agreement to stop the war he asks for this kind of help-it means he WANTS war. As simple as that.

Apparently, the Ukrainian cease fire is different from a Russian cease fire. The Ukrainians stop firing for their cease fire where the Russians fire more during their cease fire. Is Poroshenko not suppose to fire back?

[Doll]

Apparently, the Ukrainian cease fire is different from a Russian cease fire. The Ukrainians stop firing for their cease fire where the Russians fire more during their cease fire. Is Poroshenko not suppose to fire back?

Ukrainians DID NOT stop fire.

[Boethius]

Yes, they did.  If the terrorists had stopped fighting, no shot would have been fired in Debaltseve.  But the terrorists wanted it, so they didn't stop.  The terrorists are also still firing outside Mariupol today. 

[AkMike]

Did anyone other than me bother to run that generals picture thru Tin Eye?

http://www.tineye.com/

 It was from March 2014.

[BillyB]

What do I think about assisting?

I think it's a good idea since there is less chance for bullets to be flying around. I don't have much faith in the UN to be 100% successful because they are peace keepers, not peace makers.


Poroshenko isn't dumb. He made the request knowing it probably won't happen since Russia has veto power at the UN but Poroshenko did get Russia to issue out a statement that they are against it which is harmful to the squeaky clean image Putin is trying to portray.

If NATO does it then bye-bye Europe.

NATO? I was talking about the UN. You mean Putin will liquidate Europe if NATO stepped in? It's  hard for NATO to be unified on anything right now. Greece has elected a pro Russian president. Turkey has a new gas deal with Russia. Hungary just welcomed Putin into their country, made deals with him and is a vocal opponent of the sanctions. If NATO takes action in Ukraine someday, some members will not join in the fight. Putin is doing his best to start a fight within NATO to break them.

BillyB, my simple vision aboud assistance that Poroshenko wants- after the person signs the Agreement to stop the war he asks for this kind of help-it means he WANTS war. As simple as that.

Calling on the police to stop two neighbors from fighting is not an indication one wants to fight.


Can we agree there are some minor conflicts still happening in Ukraine? If both parties can't stop the fight, it's wise to bring in independent parties to enforce the ceasefire. Any party firing on foreign troops would get in trouble. Putin still has plans to use guns so UN peacekeepers standing in the middle is counterproductive to his goals.

Ukrainians DID NOT stop fire.

Independent news confirms this so you are correct but the violations are minor compared to Russia's. It's expected a few violations of any ceasefire will happen due to high testosterone levels and hate between combatants. Debaltseve was a large offensive and a major violation. Putin wants this ceasefire to work. Letting Ukraine retreat helped end the battle in Debaltseve and keep the ceasefire alive otherwise Putin would've surround and slaughtered Ukrainian troops which would extend the major violation much longer and certainly end the ceasefire. Putin has an opportunity to legally own/control Donetsk and Luhansk without further fighting. Putin will give peace a chance if it reaps the same results as military action.

[lordtiberius]

The terrorists are also still firing outside Mariupol today.

Maybe Merkel can convene another Minsk confab?  Lukashenko is waiting.

[Doll]

 
 


NATO? I was talking about the UN. You mean Putin will liquidate Europe if NATO stepped in? It's  hard for NATO to be unified on anything right now. Greece has elected a pro Russian president. Turkey has a new gas deal with Russia. Hungary just welcomed Putin into their country, made deals with him and is a vocal opponent of the sanctions. If NATO takes action in Ukraine someday, some members will not join in the fight. Putin is doing his best to start a fight within NATO to break them.



 
 

He is calling for NATO help which Russia is not a member of. This WILL be end of Europe.

[Muzh]

He is calling for NATO help which Russia is not a member of. This WILL be end of Europe.

Again, how is it the end of Europe?


Are you saying that Europe will voluntarily become part of Russia if someone dares to call NATO to action?

[AkMike]

Or it will be the end of Russia and it's continued aggression in Ukraine and other areas of the world. 

[Brasscasing]

Maybe Merkel can convene another Minsk confab?  Lukashenko is waiting.

That's my take on it. Merkel may well preside over the dismantling of Ukraine as Moscow's mad dog pulls her strings from the shadows.

I'm sorry to say it now appears that any (pretense at) leadership from Washington will not be forthcoming.

Canadian as well as U.S. media commentary is contemptuous of abandoning Ukraine....

Excerpts from the Washington Post...

Docile Washington stands aside as Russia sets up puppet state in Ukraine

..."Rather than lead, the president appears to have ceded the Ukraine crisis to Germany, with predictably poor results."....

The criminal dictator Putin's actually started taunting Ukraine...

..."Mr. Putin was so pleased that he indulged in some taunting of the Ukrainians. “Of course, it’s always bad to lose,” he said at a news conference Tuesday. “It’s always a hardship when you lose to yesterday’s miners or yesterday’s tractor drivers.” That was another lie, of course — the forces who seized Debaltseve were not former Ukrainian workers but Russian regulars; one Western reporter encountered soldiers who had been dispatched from Siberia."...

No doubt the little man in Moscow is enjoying his 15 minutes. Meanwhile the rest of us have to put up with another two years of leadership vacuum.

I'm embarrassed to have even thought the so called free world would intercede on Ukraine's behalf. We deserve all the contempt Ukraine views us with. We live in an amoral society led by submissive political eunuchs. The frumpy frau saw this and wanted to be the first to prostrate herself before the Kremlin to garnish favor.

..."European leaders will not stop Russian aggression without a determined U.S. president. Ukrainians must be wondering how much more of their country must fall to Russian troops for Mr. Obama to set aside his “strategic patience.” "...

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/19/docile-washington-stands-aside-as-russia-sets-up-puppet-state-in-ukraine/

Can the west survive the next two years? Doubtful. At this rate the criminal dictator of Russia will have conquered half of Europe.

Canada needs to withdraw it's forces from the Middle East. We should no longer support of the U.S. as the current administration no longer deserves our assistance. Bring our assets home in preparation for the larger war to come in defense of our own Arctic interests.

Withdraw any and all support for NATO and NORAD. I doubt the current U.S. administration would initiate NORAD or NATO protocols if required in defense of Canada. Canada would be on it's own as is Ukraine is if the animals reached our gates.

We need to reaffirm our commitment to the defense of the Commonwealth nations. The EU, UN and NATO are country clubs Canada can no longer afford to carry or allow Canadian blood be spilled for.

If NATO or the EU find themselves needing Canadian help with a continued Russian invasion. We (Canada) should refuse citing the EU/NATO's abandonment of Ukraine as the example.

Canada should break from the EU/NATO coward's clubs and rededicate ourselves to the supply of any and all assistance to Ukraine regardless of the 'diplomatic fallout' from the Putin apologists.

We can no longer be seen to support the cowards and collaborators in Washington or Europe.

Brass