Russian General in Debaltseve?

[AkMike]

President Barack Obama was caught on camera on Monday assuring outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that he will have "more flexibility" to deal with contentious issues like missile defense after the U.S. presidential election.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/26/us-nuclear-summit-obama-medvedev-idUSBRE82P0JI20120326

[BillyB]

The frumpy frau saw this and wanted to be the first to prostrate herself before the Kremlin to garnish favor.

Hey now, Merkel is being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize by people who thought the ceasefire she brokered a week ago is a huge success although there has been major violations. I say she shouldn't get full credit for a ceasefire full of faults. She had to give away a piece of Ukraine to make it happen. I wonder if she gave away a piece of Germany instead would she be nominated for the peace prize?


Move over Obama, I'll show you how a real Nobel Peace Prize winner operates. lol

President Barack Obama was caught on camera on Monday assuring outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that he will have "more flexibility" to deal with contentious issues like missile defense after the U.S. presidential election.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/26/us-nuclear-summit-obama-medvedev-idUSBRE82P0JI20120326

Old news and it doesn't surprise me Obama was willing to make Russia very happy even though it would make most Americans unhappy so Obama was willing to act in favor of Russia, not America/Free World, after he secures his last term. Immigration issues is another issue he acted on against the majority's will after securing his final term.


Obama's words and actions over the years have led former NY mayor Giuliani to believe Obama doesn't love America.


Obama to America "I don't love you"

[Boethius]

Brass, I think economic isolation is the way to achieve peace.  It will take years, but it will work.  The problem is, that isolation has not yet occurred.

[AkMike]

Old news and it doesn't surprise me Obama was willing to make Russia very happy even though it would make most Americans unhappy so Obama was willing to act in favor of Russia, not America/Free World, after he secures his last term. Immigration issues is another issue he acted on against the majority's will after securing his final term.


Obama's words and actions over the years have led former NY mayor Giuliani to believe Obama doesn't love America.


Obama to America "I don't love you"

That's why I posted it as a reminder not as news. 

[BillyB]

Brass, I think economic isolation is the way to achieve peace.  It will take years, but it will work. 

Ukraine may not exist in years. USSR had economic isolation from the West for decades and they didn't have nowhere near the oil and gas providing for their economy as Putin has. Germany had it worse having to pay war reparations after WW1 keeping their economy in the dump but it didn't stop them either. Total economic isolation should have been applied to Russia in the beginning as well as putting NATO's finest armies at Ukraine's borders when Putin was mobilizing his armies. Too little, too late.

[Boethius]

Lech Walesa has hit on an issue, I believe -

"Russia has never had democracy, it was never in this culture and it always needed an external enemy to keep internal order,"

http://news.yahoo.com/walesa-solidarity-sanctions-change-putins-policy-160747769.html
 
 

[lordtiberius]

I don't care if the Mongoloids have never had democracy.  They had 23 years and Alexei Navalny to get democracy.  They have had 1 year to GTFO of Ukraine.  And now we have Doll smart posters debating us what the definition of is is.


Some of us have for years been bitching about what POS Obama is.  Do you believe us now?  If any leader does not act in the manner I advised, he should be shamed out of office by his own party.

We can do this.  But we have to act now
No SWIFT for Russia.  Put NATO on alert to shoot to kill.  Arm Ukraine.

[calmissile]

Ukraine may not exist in years. USSR had economic isolation from the West for decades and they didn't have nowhere near the oil and gas providing for their economy as Putin has. Germany had it worse having to pay war reparations after WW1 keeping their economy in the dump but it didn't stop them either. Total economic isolation should have been applied to Russia in the beginning as well as putting NATO's finest armies at Ukraine's borders when Putin was mobilizing his armies. Too little, too late.

You can't expect the democratic party to do anything intelligent.  It is not the 60's anymore.

[lordtiberius]

There are Democrats who want to arm Ukraine.  These Democrats should urge Obama to resign if he will not help these people.  MREs doesn't cut it.

[iceshaft07]

So For all those who continue to believe there are no Russian soldiers in Ukraine: is this General Lentsov?  He's pretty well disguised in 'separatist' uniform and camouflaged ushanka.    But it looks remarkably like his photo!  the interview with him starts at 10 minutes.

These videos are from a computer game.

[iceshaft07]

You have access to selected filtered info. Here is general Lentsov with Ukrainian officer:


What you said is the intervention in civil war which has the place from Russia. Up to now I did not see the evidences of "thousands of troops pouring over the border" except that I hear they exist. When somebody put the evidences later it turns out to be fakes. Right now there are no officially proved eveidences that western officials could use to accuse Russia.

What I see is the weaponry Russia sent to rebels. Also I think a few Russian battalions were involved in combat mission in Donbass last summer at Ilovaisk. For sure there are Russian military experts in rebel force.

This report seems comprehensive. It includes satellite photos.

http://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2015/02/17/origin-of-artillery-attacks/

[lordtiberius]

A star is born

[southernX]

Lech Walesa has hit on an issue, I believe -

"Russia has never had democracy, it was never in this culture and it always needed an external enemy to keep internal order,"

http://news.yahoo.com/walesa-solidarity-sanctions-change-putins-policy-160747769.html

yes BO i read that early today ,
have to agree with him on it too , other former FSU countrys to somE degree have shifted their culture towards democracy , while russia itself has not been anywhere near as pro active in that regard

SX 

[Boethius]

Ukraine moved that way for a number of reasons.  Some I can point to:


1.  High number of diaspora Ukrainians, almost all of whom were born in the West, who moved to Ukraine to establish democratic institutions;


2.  Funding of different types of democratic institutions by George Soros and by various governments, including $5 billion from the US government.


The flaw in all of this was not in banning the communist party, and all former commies, from serving in government for ten or twenty years post independence, and not handling massive corruption (which has its roots in the Soviet, and even the Tsarist period).

[sleepycat]

other former FSU countrys to somE degree have shifted their culture towards democracy , while russia itself has not been anywhere near as pro active in that regard

It's going to be a bit hard to get a race of people who only about 150 years ago were still serfs, to suddenly start thinking for themselves...

[lordtiberius]

It's going to be a bit hard to get a race of people who only about 150 years ago were still serfs, to suddenly start thinking for themselves...

Russians are very patriotic.  This scoundrel has wrapped himself in a flag

[AkMike]

More evidence of Russian weapons presence in Ukrainian Donbass released by the terrorists

For instance, the terrorist identified as “Sentyabr” opened one of the boxes and read the contents of the package list. According to the records, the ammunition box was packed by Ukrainian army officers: Major V.V. Kolosovs’kyi, Captain V.S. Churilov, and Captain-Lieutenant S.O. Giss.

These officers served in the military unit A2327 (51st weapons and property storage base in Crimea), and, according to the information, provided by the headquarters of Ukrainian military law enforcement service, they never left the temporarily occupied area. The ammunition in question belonged to this military unit and was stored in the Technical Area №2 (the village of Mizhhirya, Bilohirsk District of Autonomous Republic of Crimea), where these officers made an inventory of the property in November-December 2013 during the reorganization of the unit. This explains why their names were on the package list.

The last relocation of the 122-mm rockets within Crimea was on November 18, 2013. From December 2013 and until the takeover of military unit A2327 by Russian Army units in March 2014, the 122-mm rockets from the Technical Area №2 were never moved anywhere, especially not outside Crimea.
 This means that the ammunition shown in  the video could only be shipped from Crimea to the area of the anti-terrorist operation by Russian military.

For the rest of the story see;
http://en.informnapalm.org/evidence-russian-weapons-presence-ukrainian-donbass-released-terrorists/

[fathertime]

Brass, I think economic isolation is the way to achieve peace.  It will take years, but it will work.  The problem is, that isolation has not yet occurred.

I don't think isolation will occur either...for one, too many other nations have an interest in Russia not being too weak.  They serve as a partial counterweight. 


Fathertime!

[Boethius]

I don't think isolation will occur either...for one, too many other nations have an interest in Russia not being too weak.  They serve as a partial counterweight. 


Fathertime!

If the West imposes sanctions, Russia's economy would be affected severely.  I would like to see sanctions that target the rich.  They're the ones who want to travel to Europe, and need access to their foreign bank accounts.


There are no countries outside the EU/US/Canada/Australia that could save Russia's economy.  The Chinese economy is not strong enough on its own.

[JayH]

According to the military, he just could not physically get to the city. Defense Ministry Website Lyentsova was not under Debaltseve Russian Lieutenant General and Deputy Commander of the Land Forces of the Russian Federation Alexander Lyentsov denied that was under Debaltseve the Donetsk region and participated in the assault. Man, like the Lyentsova, recently filmed by cameras in the area of Debaltsevo. However, the names of militants, who mercenaries dubbed one of the "people's militia commanders FSC" in terrorist organizations "FSC" and "NPT" call failed. "We came to Mayorska with Mayorska to Gorlovki with Gorlovki in Donetsk. I went here about an hour ago ... the way I was told that we should speak with a refutation that I am or was in Debaltseve. I just could not physically get there" - said Lyentsov.
Більше читайте тут: http://tsn.ua/ato/rosiyskiy-general-lyencov-zapevniv-scho-ne-brav-uchast-u-shturmi-debalcevogo-410482.html

Russian general Lentsov denied his presence in Debaltseve

[Brasscasing]

Brass, I think economic isolation is the way to achieve peace.  It will take years, but it will work.  The problem is, that isolation has not yet occurred.

I know you do, Bo, and I might have agreed with you last year when you and I first started talking about Ukraine.  Isolation won't happen now though, Merkel and Hollande have seen to that.

I still believe as I did last year that a shooting war is inevitable. That's almost assured now with Merkel's and Hollande's interference. The only thing left to determine is who's on what side.

The blame game starts early. This normally doesn't occur until after the shooting starts...

Ukraine: UK and EU 'badly misread' Russia

..."The UK and the EU have been accused of a "catastrophic misreading" of the mood in the Kremlin in the run-up to the crisis in Ukraine.

The House of Lords EU committee claimed Europe "sleepwalked" into the crisis.

The EU had not realised the depth of Russian hostility to its plans for closer relations with Ukraine, it said."...

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31545744

The only people who seem to have "misread" Russia were the one's responsible for taking the appropriate action. Everyone else on the planet saw it coming.

So I'm not buying it. The EU are now going to cover their a$$ with the ol' misread the situation routine. Bull Sh*t.

The EU governments are comprised of incompetents, cowards, and collaborators. Those government members should be held as responsible for their lack of action as Russia will eventually be held responsible for their criminal action.

Brass

[calmissile]

I know you do, Bo, and I might have agreed with you last year when you and I first started talking about Ukraine.  Isolation won't happen now though, Merkel and Hollande have seen to that.

I still believe as I did last year that a shooting war is inevitable. That's almost assured now with Merkel's and Hollande's interference. The only thing left to determine is who's on what side.

The blame game starts early. This normally doesn't occur until after the shooting starts...

Ukraine: UK and EU 'badly misread' Russia

..."The UK and the EU have been accused of a "catastrophic misreading" of the mood in the Kremlin in the run-up to the crisis in Ukraine.

The House of Lords EU committee claimed Europe "sleepwalked" into the crisis.

The EU had not realised the depth of Russian hostility to its plans for closer relations with Ukraine, it said."...

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31545744

The only people who seem to have "misread" Russia were the one's responsible for taking the appropriate action. Everyone else on the planet saw it coming.

So I'm not buying it. The EU are now going to cover their a$$ with the ol' misread the situation routine. Bull Sh*t.

The EU governments are comprised of incompetents, cowards, and collaborators. Those government members should be held as responsible for their lack of action as Russia will eventually be held responsible for their criminal action.

Brass

Well said.  Agree 100%

[BillyB]

..."The UK and the EU have been accused of a "catastrophic misreading" of the mood in the Kremlin in the run-up to the crisis in Ukraine.

The House of Lords EU committee claimed Europe "sleepwalked" into the crisis.

Putin is getting bolder by the day due to the EU's passive response to his aggressive actions. No amount of sanctions is going to get him to give up his gains. If Ukraine is ever to get it's territories back, they have to do it with military action. Link below Putin says "Russia's military strength is unmatchable"


Putin's got balls that's growing bigger everyday


Link below says Kharkiv, Ukraine's second largest city is experiencing a wave terrorist attacks. Is Putin giving them a taste of what's to come and a warning to prepare to evacuate?


Putin "I want to share the love with all Ukrainians.


Russian Prime Minister Medevedev says Ukraine must pay for the gas Russia is shipping into rebel territory. Although gas will help the citizens there, the rebels are benefiting too and there's no guarantees those territories will remain part of Ukraine. Putin to Ukraine "Thanks for agreeing to a peace agreement favorable to Russia and by the way, let's add insult to injury and have you pay for the gas that is going to benefit the guys that kicked your butt."

Kick Ukraine when they're down

[mendeleyev]

Brass: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 +

[mendeleyev]

Ukraine must pay for the gas Russia is shipping into rebel territory. Although gas will help the citizens there, the rebels are benefiting too and there's no guarantees those territories will remain part of Ukraine.

Maybe Neville Chambertime can negotiate a deal with Russia.

Billy, I think that you realize the statement has less to do with the real expectation of payment for gas, and more to do with creating reasons for continuing to blame Ukraine for Russian aggression.