Different mentality or is it something else? RW vs. RW.

[Wild Orchid*]

How disgusting these woman and their characterizations of men as little boars. 

I think you misunderstood what I said. Russian men calls us like that - boar hunters.

[Elen]

( back to original story)

Just wonder if Wild Orchid does the same thing if that girl WAS her friend  (an answer that such girl could not be her friend under any circumstance is not "accepted" )

And as too many to my viepoint was told in original post about that girl's bad behavior towards Old Orchid I suspect that writing to immigrants offices was rather an act of reverange than a "principle issue"  Just IMHO

[Elen]

Does growing up under a communist regime (if you are old enough) harden a person this much?

Hearing what many of you tell about former wives and american women in general I could only wonder what damage capitalistic regime does to persons?

Does not SUCH mirror of your idea seem absurd to you?

[Elen]

I'm assuming this is a retorical question Clyde.
If you have spent enough time in this country you would know the answer is a deffinite, yes. They have very little regard for human life (look at the way they drive, pedestrian beware!!!), they have very little regard for employees (how long do you think your boss would get away without paying you?), & basic human rights are pretty much non-existant (try finding a labor board or a welfare office or uneployment insurance office). Yes I would say communism hardens ones outlook & enables them to put more into me, me, me, rather than us.
Even those who did not grow up under direct communist rule see the way those who did are & tend to follow in there footsteps. They have a long way to go before they will ever be equal in many areas to the west (customer service for example), but eventually after a generation or two hopefully things may change.

One more time you demontrate that even living here for rather long period you could not be able understant too many in russians Wonder if it has to do with a damage that has been done to your personality by western democracy ? 
( BTW should I inform you where you could try to find "a labor board or a welfare office or uneployment insurance office We do have such things now and if they are not such wide spread here then it's just because that living under communists we had not need in them As well as idea  that bosses  may not pay salaries never crossed minds of people in soviet times (at least during those I lived in)

[milestogo]

I think you misunderstood what I said. Russian men calls us like that - boar hunters.

I did misunderstand but it's all the same.  Regardless I think it is a very good thing that you stand up against this behavior.

[Wild Orchid*]

( back to original story)

Just wonder if Wild Orchid does the same thing if that girl WAS her friend  (an answer that such girl could not be her friend under any circumstance is not "accepted" )

Helen, I answered all this questions and accusations on RWA. This girl never been my friend, we used to work together at some point and on the top of everything she was much younger than me. I started looking for foreign husband long before internet time, she was the one who agreed to join me, I didn’t want to do it alone, that is how much she was my friend.

PS. Obviously You and I don’t see eye to eye. Please ignore my thread and try not to discuss my private  life. Thank you, Zosya_2.

[mischief]

There is difference in our mentality, guys… not because all the women are bit$hes on that forum but because they are russian… in our mentality laws are something to get around, circumvent… for you it’s the system that protects you and your rights… I can believe if any of you see the crime you’ll report it and will strongly believe you did the right thing… you were raised this way and that’s why there is no chaos in this country with so many different nations living in…
we were raised differently... it was a shame to tell the teacher that somebody else is cheating, it’s non of your business if somebody is stealing… I’m not talking about killing, torturing or abusing here… if my dad sees somebody hurting kids he will go and beat the shit out of him but if he sees somebody is stealing bread in the store he will never go and report the thing… I’m not saying its right or wrong I’m just saying that’s the way most of FSU people are…
If it was up to me I’d never report to the immigration but for example, yesterday I was at the Mc Donald’s playground with my son and there was a very nice little girl 6 or 7 years old who was talking to us… she said that her parents are away and she is with her cousins and their mother and grandmother ( I doubt that they were her relatives though)… they played a little and went in to get some ice-cream but I was able to see them through the window… all of them got an ice-cream: two chubby boys, grandma & the woman but not the little girl and I could see the little girl is crying and asking for an ice-cream but they are yelling at her… so I went in to get her an ice-cream and of course I came to ask a permission to get her an ice cream from this woman… she said : “She has an ice-cream!” and moved towards the little girl her half eaten one…
what I’m trying to explain that in the WO instance I would think it’s not my business but in the instance with the little girl somebody would say that it’s not my business but I couldn’t tolerate they way they treated the child…
Anyhow, WO, if you did what you did for the right reasons there shouldn’t be a question whether you are wrong or not…. 

[Elen]

Helen, I answered all this questions and accusations on RWA. This girl never been my friend, we used to work together at some point and on the top of everything she was much younger than me. I started looking for foreign husband long before internet time, she was the one who agreed to join me, I didn’t want to do it alone, that is how much she was my friend.

PS. Obviously You and I don’t see eye to eye. Please ignore my thread and try not to discuss my private  life. Thank you, Zosya_2.

1. I don't read RWA to know all answers
2. I got that she was not your friend ( you put a lot of struggles in your post to make it clear)
3. I posted what I thought about your case as you asked an opinion  of other people by yourself - никто за язык не тянул
4. I asked you a question to find out if your action had to do with "principle" issue ( I mean do you think that people should ALWAYS act in such way if they see somebody does something against a law - in Russian it's called закладывать ( and there is no other word for that in Russian language - a Russian specific I guess) So my question was - do you do such things if it's your friends (I think they are not angels 24 hours per day and 7 days in week)
5. There is no need to send me to other board to look for answers if you posted your question HERE
6. WHERE did you see an attemp to discuss your PRIVATE life???? ( ZOSYA_2  ) - I discuss an issue what people used to do if they know somebody plays not by rules. Do their action depend only on "rightness" or it has to do with who breaks a law and what exactly law was broken.

[PeeWee]

Something that I picked out of what has been said, and I see three RW now indirectly telling us something of importance about Russian culture. How they regard laws as opposed to how we, at least we Americans, regard laws. "Something to try to get around."

Lena said the same to me two weeks ago. What she does not like about her countrymen is just that. Their disregard for laws and how it creates problems in their society. She appreciates the order that our laws and our willingness to adhere to them establishes. With this in mind there should be little wonder in your minds that when you bring your RW bride to your country that she is still thinking these ways about laws. Also, does that mentality then transfer in to other aspects of her life and with her dealing with you? Are you too "something to try to get around."?

Another example of this. Lena told me yesterday that a stupid woman is a woman who is more clever than her man. That she would not be clever of her to let everyone know it if she were. It would seem that these attitudes could lead to different forms of treachery against you if you should happen to choose a woman who had no quams about it. A scammer for example.

Peewee 

[mischief]

Peewee, what you didn’t picked out and what Elen was implying that most of FSU were brought up with the strong sense what is right and what is wrong.  In US lots of people don’t do something wrong because of the punishment according to certain law… in FSU people don’t do something wrong because it contradicts their sense of right… So if your fiancée is a decent person from a good family you won’t have to worry about whether you’ll be something to get around… she won’t hurt/scam you not because of the laws but because her inner self won’t let her…
The dual attitude towards laws is the unfortunate result of the communistic times…

[Elen]

Actually I was about what YOU DO if you see ( know) that somebody breaks law but NOT about is it "right" or "wrong" to break that law - I think this thread is about THAT but not about Russian unability to follow laws in principle ( due to their bad genetic- up bringing- communist morality-black tzarizm heritage- mongol tatar's igo and etc 


BTW I agree with that In US lots of people don’t do something wrong because of the punishment according to certain law… statement - events in New Orlean showed how americans could follow rules when there was no police next to them

[Zhena]

Lena told me yesterday that a stupid woman is a woman who is more clever than her man

Interesting...how come Lena told that to you? If to follow her logic?...

[PeeWee]

Interesting...how come Lena told that to you? If to follow her logic?...

She tells me a lot of things. But I do know that she is smarter than I am, and better looking too. I sometimes tell her that I think she is a genius, I am sure she it. Maybe she agrees with me on that topic but also wanted me to know that even though she is smarter that it would be wise for her not to rub it in my face so very often? I don't know. I don't care. I like her because she is an egghead nerd.

Peewee

[jb]

I sometimes tell her that I think she is a genius

This is classic "noodle hanging", Peewee.

[PeeWee]

This is classic "noodle hanging", Peewee.

Could be but I had understood that noodle hanging was words said to deceive or to trick someone. I really do think that she is brilliant. So I acknowledged what I believed to be fact. I do realize that your definition of noodle hanging includes sweet talk and I am good at that too. I wasn't thinking that way at the time. I will be hanging only one noodle, that I knowof, a much different noodle, so to speak, and that will occur when we meet this August!

Peewee

[Wild Orchid*]

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To be honest I don't have any desire to discuss anything with you. Forgive me but I won't answer your questions.

[Elen]

well if you have nothing to say then let it be so.
 Just wonder what for to post question and ask opinions on OPEN board if you have a wish to  discuss the topic basing on your personal attitude to people instead of attitude to discussed issue

[Wild Orchid*]

Dear SuperMod. Yesterday Kvinna refered 20 times at list to this situation and called me a spy for KGB, a dobber, a spy agains Russian wome and what's not. Were any action taken against her or is it just me being "lucky"? To make picture clear i will tell you that all this smear compain started when I spoke against putting Bill on the black list. Kvinna and  Co didn't waist their time and went to dig out everything they could on me. I wont repeat what she said about me on Antidate but why do you tolerate HER insults here?

[Kuna]

Dear SuperMod. Yesterday Kvinna referred 20 times at list to this situation and called me a spy for KGB, a dobber, a spy agains Russian wome and what's not. Were any action taken against her or is it just me being "lucky"? To make picture clear i will tell you that all this smear compain started when I spoke against putting Bill on the black list. Kvinna and  Co didn't waist their time and went to dig out everything they could on me. I wont repeat what she said about me on Antidate but why do you tolerate HER insults here?

Wild Orchid,

I agree with you here.  I can sense the venom of some of our RW posters and the niggling little jibes they come out with.  I can also see some of our respected RW members might be too afraid to speak out against the vile comments that are delivered.

Just like the "moles" are trying to silence Western Men, they are also trying to silence RW. 

For what it's worth... I think you did the right thing with the scammer you menitoned in your earlier post.  It's a sign of your good character.

If Elen, Kvinna or others want to support poor behaviour then that too is a sign of their character.

I don't understand management not acting on the new direction of RWD since the AD crew violated what was always a productive place for like-minded people to discuss issues.

For several weeks now all we've been doing is bickering about the issues the aggressors want to focus on.

I'd encourage you to stay around and become more active in he RWD community.  We appreciate the input from good people no matter their sex or heritage.

Kuna

[Daveman]

For several weeks now all we've been doing is bickering about the issues the aggressors want to focus on.

Absolutely correct up there.... and absolutely wrong for the board... That has got to change... 

Some of us have been bickering about bickering...  (looking in  mirror) .. really... this BS has got to stop... and I'll start my own change by cleaning out my own back yard...  boof... ah nevermind

[mirror]

The threachery is a big abomination! Предательство - огромная мерзость !

[Daveman]

Yeah, and idiocy is terminal. 

[BillyB]

The threachery is a big abomination! Предательство - огромная мерзость !

Mirror,

Are you talking about the treachery done by the RW in question when she married a man from Australia, divorced him and accused him of domestic violence, then went back to Russia to marry her ex Russian man to bring him to Australia? Or are you talking about a different kind of treachery?

[mirror]

Mirror,

Are you talking about the treachery done by the RW in question when she married a man from Australia, divorced him and accused him of domestic violence, then went back to Russia to marry her ex Russian man to bring him to Australia? Or are you talking about a different kind of treachery?

I don't see a treachery in this case.I meant real treachery.

[BillyB]

I meant real treachery.

Do you mean the treachery of the RW against Wild Orchid? Wild Orchid had given the RW a suggestion to look for a foreign man after a Russian man dumped her. The RW found a foreign man and moved to Australia and started talking to Wild Orchid's fiancée. She said many bad things about Wild Orchid.

Is that the real treachery you're talking about?