Could Athletes take over the stick girls on the cat walk?

[Larry1]

That chart doesn't seem to differentiate between men and women.  Is that correct?  That can't be right.

I think it is. 

http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/lose_wt/BMI/bmicalc.htm

BMI is a useful tool in evaluating large populations of people, but not a useful tool in evaluating individuals. For most of my life I've had a BMI a bit over 24.  25 is the threshold for being overweight.  But I had a small waist. The 24+ BMI was because I had muscle, which weighs more than fat.

[2tallbill]

That is part of my point.  However, pay attention to ads on the side of buses, on the subway (when you leave ND), on signs, ads in your newspaper, on online media, etc.  It is internalized, and for every 1 image of a man, there are 10 of women.

I don't disagree, men will look at advertisements with women in them much more
readily than they will in advertisements with men in them.

(when you leave ND)

We don't have that much outside advertising in North Dakota

[Anathema]

Go talk to 100 Western women.  You will discover that the majority have the same view. 
Go read the twitter and instagram responses to the campaign.  Or facebook (I assume there is a facebook page).

I have no doubt at all that the campaign is receiving lots of praise from the people it's targeting, aka: overweight, insecure (and possibly lazy) women.  It's pretty genius from a marketing standpoint since there's no shortage of those types in this country.

Again, if the ad was solely about embracing yourself and giving a middle finger to what everyone else thinks, I would have little issue with it.  They couldn't do that without shitting on VS and attempting to vilify skinny (or skinnier) women.

[2tallbill]

Victoria Vanucci, Tennis

[Boethius]

I have no doubt at all that the campaign is receiving lots of praise from the people it's targeting, aka: overweight, insecure (and possibly lazy) women.  It's pretty genius from a marketing standpoint since there's no shortage of those types in this country.

Again, if the ad was solely about embracing yourself and giving a middle finger to what everyone else thinks, I would have little issue with it.  They couldn't do that without shitting on VS and attempting to vilify skinny (or skinnier) women.

I had a scroll through twitter after posting.  The tweets tend to be as I stated.  The only negative tweets were from men.

[2tallbill]

Heather Mitts

[Anathema]

I had a scroll through twitter after posting.  The tweets tend to be as I stated.  The only negative tweets were from men.

I'll take your word for it.  I'm not embarrassed at all to admit that I have zero clue as to what twitter is or how it works.  I hate (anti) social media.

# will always be a pound sign to me. 

[Boethius]

I don't have a twitter account.  Or a facebook account.  Or a cloud account.  But my kids all do.

[2tallbill]

Voula Papachristou
Triple Jumper

[2tallbill]

Ellen Hoog
Dutch Field Hockey player

[2tallbill]

Whitney Miller surfer and Jui Jitsu

[Slumba]

No, it is saying there is not one definition of what is sexy.   Embrace who you are.

In the context of exercise and proper diet, with the acceptable amount of leisure time Western men and women have, this statement doesn't have a lot of meaning.

If a 170cm woman weighed 90kg, then worked out and got down to 60kg, which version of her, is the "real one"?

[2tallbill]

Kiira Korpi
Finish Skater

[Larry1]

Ellen Hoog
Dutch Field Hockey player

One of my daughters is really into field hockey and has shown me pics of some of the Dutch players. There are some gorgeous girls on the Dutch team.

Whitney Miller surfer and Jui Jitsu

Must watch surfing.

[Boethius]

In the context of exercise and proper diet, with the acceptable amount of leisure time Western men and women have, this statement doesn't have a lot of meaning.

If a 170cm woman weighed 90kg, then worked out and got down to 60kg, which version of her, is the "real one"?

She's real no matter what size she is.  Her worth as a human being is not related to her size.  That is the same for men.  Though perhaps in Western society, the test should be a man's worth is not related to his paycheque or net worth.

[2tallbill]

Rachel Wray
MMA


No I wouldn't watch her fight somebody

[Anathema]

All these women that you've posted are beautiful.  I'd watch them no matter what they're doing. 

[2tallbill]

Caroline Wozniacki
Denmark Tennis

[2tallbill]

Maria Sharapova

[2tallbill]

Marta Menegetti
Italian Beach Volleyball




Amazing popka

[2tallbill]

Melanie Adams
Australian Pole vaulter

[Bee Farmer]

BMI doesn't account for body types.  When I was in my late teens and early 20's, I dated a girl who was 4'10" and weighed 80 pounds and 36B.  Her BMI was 16.7.  She was built like a Barbie doll, and she definitely wasn't an Auschwitz girl.  You couldn't see her ribs, but you could see her abs.  But with a BMI of 16.7, most folks would say she was underweight.  (When I met her, she was 16 years old and weighed 70 pounds.  That's a BMI of 14.6.  By her later teens, she had filled out to 80 pounds.  And before anyone says anything, I was only 3 years older than her.)

For hundreds and thousands of years, folks have looked at the waist to hip ratio as a measure of what was healthy and attractive.  For women, a waist to hip ratio of 2/3 is often considered the ideal, ie the 36-24-36 hourglass figure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waist%E2%80%93hip_ratio

[Boethius]

There is this criticism of BMI -


http://www.medicaldaily.com/oxford-mathematician-explains-body-mass-index-flaw-244342


That would explain the problem with a very short person.  I have criticized BMI in the past because it doesn't take into account muscle mass.  However, most models are 5'9" or taller, so they won't have the distortion for short people mentioned in the article.


These are some of the current "it girl" models.


http://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.skinnygossip.com%2Fcommunity%2Fthreads%2Ficeberg-mfw-s-s-15-showlist.7761%2F&ei=GB8vVejYO_K_sQTQyoEg&bvm=bv.91071109,d.cWc&psig=AFQjCNFozoDw4wWAvhk4SU08JLBB0qYQfw&ust=1429237748594214

[alex330]

BMI was developed by a statistician so can be a general guideline but in reality is not the best tool. It is not only short and tall people but athletes like bodybuilders that fall through the cracks. Most Pro BB's are in the 27-35 range when they compete with under 10% bodyfat.

My wife would be too thin to model in France according to the new guidelines and she is far from unhealthy thin.

[alex330]

But back to the topic at hand. Yes, I can imagine designers may use athletes more and more to promote their brand. It makes sense from a marketing perspective as a familiar face will sell more than an unknown. The only issue with the current modeling industry is they don't pay squat anymore and girls are willing to do it for exposure or free clothing these days.

Bree Kleintop, another surfer.