What does Putin want?

[Boethius]

 

What is the point of this?  It doesn't even prove what you are asserting.
 
This press conference is after Russia had invaded Ukrainian territory, provided a missile (and likely the personnel to operate it) which shot down a passenger airline, and sent tanks and other weaponry to Donbas.  And somehow, this is evidence of U.S. warmongering.  LOL at the absuridity of this.  I feel like I'm in a Gogol novel.

[cc3]

As I have posted numerous times, all Obama stated was that the US brokered a transition in power in Ukraine.  That happened when it was clear Yanukovych would lose his office.
 
http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2015/02/01/pres-obama-on-fareed-zakaria-gps-cnn-exclusive/
 
That doesn't mean the U.S. was involved in the outset,or  that it orchestrated Euromaidan, or regime change in Ukraine.  Do you really believe that if the U.S. had wanted a particular outcome in Ukraine, it would not have happened before?  They could have trained some diaspora Ukrainian from Central Ukraine, had him obtain Ukrainian citizenship, and funded a campaign to make him president.  Or a local they had hand picked, and they could have done that anytime after Ukraine declared independence.  They could have done the same with political parties, all for less than $50 million.   
 
It was never the intent of the United States to create a crisis in Ukraine, and they didn't.  If you read what Obama actually stated, rather than some Russian Jew's anti American conspiracy site (all from the comfort of Canada), you would see there is nothing which indicates the U.S. was involved in the Ukrainian crisis at the outset.
 
Now you see, this is why I say you have a disdain for Ukrainians.  You assume it was not them who were protesting and dying on Maidan, it was all U.S. orchestrations, and they were too stupid to know it, or not die in hails of Yanukovych ordered bullets.

+1000!

[Изумруд]

US President Barack Obama revealed the United States’ involvement in the Ukrainian crisis from its outset and admitted that the United States “had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine.”


US President Barack Obama’s recent interview with CNN’s Fareed Zakiria reveals the United States’ involvement in the Ukrainian crisis from its outset and that the country worked directly with Ukrainian right-wing fascist groups, experts told Sputnik.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/washington-was-behind-ukraine-coup-obama-admits-that-us-brokered-a-deal-in-support-of-regime-change/5429142

Sorry Doll, but Global Research is one of the biggest conspiracy theory websites out there:

"In the 2014 Ukrainian crisis the site is taking the standard "anti-globalisation" stance against the Western side and falling into the ranks of imperial Russian propaganda instead.  Globalresearch also has published numerous articles written by contributors to New Eastern Outlook, a Moscow-based Russian Government propaganda site. It has published the same articles on the same day as Oriental Review, a Moscow-based site that is also almost certainly a Russian Government site."

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch.ca   

[cc3]

What is the point of this?  This press conference is after Russia had invaded Ukrainian territory, provided a missile (and likely the personnel to operate it) which shot down a passenger airline, sent tanks and other weaponry to Donbas.  And somehow, this is evidence of U.S. warmongering.  LOL at the absuridity of this.  I feel like I'm in a Gogol novel.

Doll is not at all rational...no longer worthy of responding to. She is simply a muscovite propagandized and brainwashed automaton.

[Boethius]

The press conference Doll linked - Obama -  "Our preference is for a strong, prosperous, vibrant, confident Russia.  They can be a partner with us on a whole host of global challenges."

[Boethius]

Sorry Doll, but Global Research is one of the biggest conspiracy theory websites out there:

"In the 2014 Ukrainian crisis the site is taking the standard "anti-globalisation" stance against the Western side and falling into the ranks of imperial Russian propaganda instead.  Globalresearch also has published numerous articles written by contributors to New Eastern Outlook, a Moscow-based Russian Government propaganda site. It has published the same articles on the same day as Oriental Review, a Moscow-based site that is also almost certainly a Russian Government site."

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch.ca

It also publishes articles on the "vaccination conspiracy".  Why am I not surpised?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-vaccine-coverup-30-years-of-secret-official-transcripts-show-uk-government-experts-cover-up-vaccine-hazards-to-sell-more-vaccines-and-harm-your-kids/5354241

[Doll]

[Boethius]

And now what he actually said -

But today, as I said, there are some trying to pull Ukraine apart. And you have -- we’re in the struggle for your very future. There’s been a lot of talk about  geopolitics, about East and West. But here in Ukraine, people know that it’s about something much more fundamental. It’s not about geopolitics; it’s about  unity. It’s about independence. And at its most basic level, it’s about  restoring respect and dignity.

http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/texttrans/2014/04/20140422298151.html#axzz3ZIhjxTOR

 

[lordtiberius]

I don't think about him.

Why is it that there are FSB offices in every part of Russia but not in Chechnya.  Is Chechnya apart of Russia or not?

Do you know who Kadyrov is?

[Boethius]

He wanted Steven Seagal as a consul, and go between for Russia and the U.S.  Because no one is a better diplomat for powerful states' relations than a third rate "actor" (I use that term loosely).   

http://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/putins-action-hero-how-steven-seagal-became-the-kremlins-unl#.pp6wx3R8G

http://lebeauleblog.com/2013/05/15/what-the-hell-happened-to-steven-seagal/
 

[lordtiberius]

Putin killed a 5 year old boy.

   12 December 1997 jeep in which speeding was driving Vladimir Putin (legally - with the government "flasher") at the 17th kilometer of the Minsk highway knocked down a five-year Denis Lapshin ("Novaya Gazeta", № 6 (577), 14 - February 20, 1999). Driver Putin Zykov BB was arrested in 1999 in the amnesty.   

http://to-name.ru/english/biography/vladimir-putin.htm

[LiveFromUkraine]

He wanted Steven Seagal as a consul, and go between for Russia and the U.S.  Because no one is a better diplomat for powerful states' relations than a third rate "actor" (I use that term loosely).   

http://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/putins-action-hero-how-steven-seagal-became-the-kremlins-unl#.pp6wx3R8G

http://lebeauleblog.com/2013/05/15/what-the-hell-happened-to-steven-seagal/

Dennis Rodman should have been called. 

[Faux Pas]

He wanted Steven Seagal as a consul, and go between for Russia and the U.S.  Because no one is a better diplomat for powerful states' relations than a third rate "actor" (I use that term loosely).   

http://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/putins-action-hero-how-steven-seagal-became-the-kremlins-unl#.pp6wx3R8G

http://lebeauleblog.com/2013/05/15/what-the-hell-happened-to-steven-seagal/

The 3rd rate actors of the world are highly insulted by this remark

[The Natural]

Yeah, it's way different to the first rate actor who became a US President. Everybody knows Ronald Reagan is considered being among the cream of the all-time greatest actors, like Marlon Brandon, Robert DeNiro et al ....hahaha

[lordtiberius]

Putin kills his own people for nothing and you don't care because you hate America more.

[Boethius]

Ronald Reagan had been active in politics for 30 years, including 8 as the successful governor of the 8th largest economy in the world (that is the size of California's economy) by the time he became president.  The Soviets had studied his success as governor of California, BTW, when he was elected president, and came to the conclusion Reagan was not someone who could be dismissed as a lightweight.
 
No one ever suggested he was a great actor.
 
Had Seagal had any political activism, or experience in diplomacy, before he was suggested as a consul by Putin, I would not have thought it was a stupid idea.

[The Natural]

Oh come on Bo, do you have to take everything so seriously? Actually, Ronnie was far from the worst President.

[Boethius]

Yes.  I have no discernable sense of humour.

[jone]

Ronald Reagan had been active in politics for 30 years, including 8 as the successful governor of the 8th largest economy in the world (that is the size of California's economy) by the time he became president.  The Soviets had studied his success as governor of California, BTW, when he was elected president, and came to the conclusion Reagan was not someone who could be dismissed as a lightweight.
 
No one ever suggested he was a great actor.
 
Had Seagal had any political activism, or experience in diplomacy, before he was suggested as a consul by Putin, I would not have thought it was a stupid idea.

I categorically disagree with you, Boe.

Bedtime for Bonzo was a classic movie and will be remembered forever as a breakout movie for the future President.  In it he gave an Oscar worthy performance.  That year, 1951, he was robbed by a nobody named Bogart who won best actor for the African Queen.  (Some movie about gay men on the Dark continent.)

[tfcrew]

IMO he's claiming credit for something he didn't do.   

...while denying blame for everything he has done.
Who doesn't know that the Bin Laden thing was staged?

[tfcrew]

Yes.  I have no discernable sense of humour.

Now that was funny.

[Anotherkiwi]

...Bedtime for Bonzo was a classic movie and will be remembered forever as a breakout movie for the future President. In it he gave an Oscar worthy performance. That year, 1951, he was robbed by a nobody named Bogart who won best actor for the African Queen.  (Some movie about gay men on the Dark continent.)

I agree - as Best Supporting Actor.  The chimp was the one who was robbed!

[Faux Pas]

Yeah, it's way different to the first rate actor who became a US President. Everybody knows Ronald Reagan is considered being among the cream of the all-time greatest actors, like Marlon Brandon, Robert DeNiro et al ....hahaha

Ronald Reagan was one of those rare individuals with much talent and great insight that allowed him to excel in most everything he attempted. All great politicians are actors, not many actors are even decent politicians. I remember just prior to Reagan getting elected there were many jokes by the talk shows and comedians of the day referencing his acting and in particular "Bedtime for Bonzo". None of them questioned his ability as a politician or his interpretation of the U.S. Constitution. Of course by that time he was already a proven steadfast leader and rarely minced words. Few ever questioned where Reagan stood on any issue. It was Reagan that turned me from the Yellow dog democrat upbringing I was raised in.

[lordtiberius]

That's true.