Cindy Agency in Dnk are Scammers!!

[neiluk]

Hi guys,

I dont make this statement lightly, i have been to the Ukriane nearly 20 times over the last few years, and i would say i am experienced with what goes on, and never before i have i felt compeled to make such a statement as this.
Just over a year ago, i found Cindy agency on the net, and wrote to 5 or6 girls there in DNK,, i was very happy with the responce i got from there girls, they were all so positive about me in there letters, and boy did they respond fast, i did not wait around with such beautiful women all want to meet me, so i jumped on a flight from Manchester and turned up at the office. Anna was great she smiled alot, and told me i was a nice guy, give me a nice apartment. But things started to go wrong when i was told all but 1 girl i had been writing to was unavailable to meet me,,EH thats funny i thought only last week they were writing to me on a daily basis, and now i show up there all busy, unavailable or sick.  Are well i met the 1 girl, and started again looking for girls on the computer at the office, and setting up dates. Periodicaly i asked about the girls i had wrote to, But Anna never managed to set up dates with these girls the whole time i was in DNK.
I come away slightly Pissed of but i put it down to experience.

Then this year i decided to go along with Jack Bragg on one of his tours, i picked, Kharkov, Lugansk, I intialy missed out DNK, then Zapp.  I decided i it would not harm to try Cindy agency again as they were placed in the middle of my tour, and i could use them as a back up if things didnt go so well in the other citys. So again i wrote 7 intro letters to girls there on the 13 april, and on the 14 April i had very positive replys from 6 of the 7 girls i had wrote to, they said i was a very intresting man they spoke about my job, my mentality ect, and said they would love to meet me. Well this fantastic responce in less that 24 hrs raised my eybrows a little, so i contacted Jack and asked him to have a word With Anna. I figured if i let it be known that i was connected with the Jack Bragg tour i may get honest replys to my letters, or at least some reasurance that the replys are genuine. It was like banging my head against a brick wall, no body reasured me of anything, so i stopped writing to these women.
I decided to go to the Dnk party to see if i could meet any of the girls that had wrote to me, Jack told me that he had made enquireys and 4 of these women would be there, I found 1 girl named Olga, we spoke for a while, we had an intrest in each other, i asked her if she remembered me from our letters, "No" she said definatley not" . I dated olga a couple of times after the party, she didnt turn out to be the girl for me, but she did seem like a nice ladey and spoke good english. I went to the internet cafe and printed out her letter to me. She explained she gets alot of letters, mostly over the phone, but she looked me in the eyes and said again "But i did not WRITE or even dictate this one, i have never heard about you before, i would have rememberd you from England""

I told jack about my findings, and we went to see Anna at the office armed with my letters, we had a little debate but Annas line was "Oh Olga must have forgot" It was obvious i again was banging my head against another brick wall... Then later on the bus to zapp i got a sms from Olga that said  " Cindy agency have removed my profile because i refused to lie to you about the letters i did not send"" I showed this sms to Jack Bragg as we drove on the mini bus and to 4 other guys who were traveling with us. I was amazed to hear Jacks summing up about the whole thing, his attitude was. Anna and andrew (The owners of Cindy) need to find the person who is responsable for this SCAMM and sack them on the spot. I would sugest that the persons responsable for any Scam would be the persons making all the money (The owners)

I have been as fair as i can be with my recolaction of what happened,

neil uk

[Marc]

Your definetely right. I had the same experience with Cindy agency. They fabricate letters themselves. On the other board is also a thread although it is partially gone because of the change.

[BC]

20 times the past few years, still looking and it's 'the Ukraine'?

I think I'd have given up after the first couple of trips.

[neiluk]

Sorry but i am not the type to give up,,,But there are plenty who are,


neil uk...

[Jet]

I would sugest that the persons responsable for any Scam would be the persons making all the money (The owners)

Whilst a good place to start "the investigation", not always the case in the end.

[rpmschevy]

Going to go with Neil on this one.  Hey how you doing by the way Neil?  I am recovering from my surgery.

Now mind you I have found two special ladies that were on Cindy Agency, although one I bought her address from A Pretty Woman.

Why I have to agree with Neil, is that prior to my trip, I had a similiar situation where I had 5 ladies lined up to meet, and one in particular was very very adamant about meeting me, spending as much time as possible, etc.  When I landed in London the day before heading to Kiev I wrote, again through the agency, that I would be there.  We scheduled time to meet, etc.  She would make time.  When I get to the city, the meeting is somehow scheduled to 6 PM on a Sunday night.  Then she is a no show.  She was the #2 lady that my whole trip was revolving around and she could not wait to see me, be with me, spend all weekend, my birthday weekend, with me.  Then 2 other ladies, my #4 and #5 of my whole month in Ukraine, who knew the days and times I was in their city, somehow were unable to be contacted by the agency.  HUH?

Well my #1 for my whole trip, in another city, but Cindy Agency, she did meet me.  She took time off of work, we met everyday I was in her city and she even got up early to see me goodbye the morning the tour left the city.  So this is a tough one.  She and I are still corresponding to get to know each other better, but we our not using the agency, at her request...

I spent a lot of $$ with Cindy and my #2, #4, #5 can not even meet with me.  Makes you wonder.  Now my #2, I have done a couple additional emails trying to trap her into a statement, but nothing other than it was over a month since I sent email and I initiated the correspondence again.  Interesting.

[Michelangelo]

RPM-- Did you write the Cindy Agency ahead of time and list which ladies you wanted to meet?  I did, and they had it all scheduled when I arrived.  They did switch the order of my # 1, but when I complained in the taxi on the way from the airport, they gave me her cell number and I called her right then.  We met an hour later...

[catzenmouse]

I think I'll have to agree with BC on this one. If you haven't figured out "Ukraine" vs "the Ukraine" after this amount of time I have some serious doubts about your credibility with such an accusation. I've had some dealings with Cindy in the past and found them to be credible and honest. I'd wager that there is more to this than you are telling. I'd also be interested to hear what Jack has to say about this situation and about you as well.

JMO,
 Ken

[rpmschevy]

RPM-- Did you write the Cindy Agency ahead of time and list which ladies you wanted to meet?  I did, and they had it all scheduled when I arrived.  They did switch the order of my # 1, but when I complained in the taxi on the way from the airport, they gave me her cell number and I called her right then.  We met an hour later...

I am not necessarily saying the agency is bad, altogether, and yes I met my #1 lady and still corresponding with her, but my #2 lady (or better 1a) for weeks we had written, covered many details, especially about when I would be there, and then she cannot make it, stands me up when she had many plans for us, and what is more not even sending me any kind of apology through the agency "email/letter" posting saying I am sorry, no calls, etc....  And then my #3 and #4 ladies not even being available by phone...  And the #3 lady I sent flowers to, through the agency, and she refused to have he photo taken...  Then I meet with Neil, and he had written this lady, and then she "wrote" him and at the party she did not remember any of it??  So yes Cindy Agency is good, and I had one great interpreter from there, but this and Neil's percentage is not good. 

In a good business they would have gotten to the bottom of it and offered to reimburse me, or something.  Instead Neil's lady is kicked out of the agency??  Now I am not moving forward with this mostly because I have a couple ladies that I really like now and I am skipping the agency people, no more $$ for them.  I hope that I will be able to continue correspondence and if it is right, and looks good thus far, maybe I will not need Cindy or any other agency in the future, which is all of our goals I think!

Thanks for your reply.

[Michelangelo]

I am not necessarily saying the agency is bad, altogether, and yes I met my #1 lady and still corresponding with her...

There you go....that is success.  In this business, you might have to meet 25 to get one good "match."  I'm sorry you had these problems RPM, but I'm glad you did meet this one girl and that she and you are still writing.

This is just another example that you have to write many and visit many to find one.

[Michelangelo]

I think I'll have to agree with BC on this one. If you haven't figured out "Ukraine" vs "the Ukraine" after this amount of time I have some serious doubts about your credibility with such an accusation....

Yep, you are correct, Ken.

Also tell the World Cup announcers the same message.  They must have said "THE' Ukraine 1000 times!

And while you are at it, would you please tell the idiots in Ohio that it is not "THE" Ohio State University?  It's Ohio State 

[Turboguy]

Ok, it is not THE ohio state.   It is Ohio State.

Then explain to me why it is THE university    Hummm,  we must be awfully bored.

[Christopher]

I was in Dnepr over Dcember and didnot have any problems with them.  I find that you have to be firm with them at times because of all the idiots who come and blow money without thinking about what they are doing.  I just finished up a trip from Zaporozhye and again I had no problems with.  I met almost all the ladies I wanted to and the two I couldn't the manager was calling them right in front of me and she said their phone number was diconnected.  I wonder about you showing up with Jack and if that had anything to do with some of your problems.  These companies are little fiefdoms and they do not want some outsider taking away their ladies or the money they make doing interpreting.  I understand you wanting to work with Jack but maybe metting women through a place like Elana's would be better since ou would not be stepping on anyone's toes that way.

[neiluk]

Ken
I just took a look at your reply to my my post about cindy agency,, i am quite amazed that you feel you need to doubt my credabilty based on what you have read from me. if you have found Cindy to be great well jolly good for you, but that does not mean i have been selective with my infomation, or i am a fool , or a lier.
I am on here to expose what happened to me, nobody else just me. I hope my storey could help other men, with there search.

And you have the cheek to pull me up on Ukriane v The Ukriane,  I am trying to help people here, and you decide to fire me down with this rubbish,,, Ken who realy Gives a F,,,,k how you should say it?  If you think you need to run to Jack Bragg to find out whats going, then go right ahead, it dont make any difference to me.

Ukraine or The Ukriane? what a wanker!

neil..uk

[catzenmouse]

Thank you for your well thought out and well written reply. If this is the same kind of interaction you have used in the FSU then it does not surprise me a bit that you were not treated well. As to who cares about how to reference Ukraine, why only everyone who lives there or is from there and any spouses of those folks.

You are right, who am I to doubt your credibility. You go on and have yourself a wonderful life and continue to help those who are less fortunate than yourself. You seem to be such a compasionate and caring individual that I am sure they will come in droves to your door.

Ken

Ken
I just took a look at your reply to my my post about cindy agency,, i am quite amazed that you feel you need to doubt my credabilty based on what you have read from me. if you have found Cindy to be great well jolly good for you, but that does not mean i have been selective with my infomation, or i am a fool , or a lier.
I am on here to expose what happened to me, nobody else just me. I hope my storey could help other men, with there search.

And you have the cheek to pull me up on Ukriane v The Ukriane,  I am trying to help people here, and you decide to fire me down with this rubbish,,, Ken who realy Gives a F,,,,k how you should say it?  If you think you need to run to Jack Bragg to find out whats going, then go right ahead, it dont make any difference to me.

Ukraine or The Ukriane? what a wanker!

neil..uk

[rpmschevy]

Hey Ken I am trying to fully understand your use of "the" here.

What do you refer to your home country?  Is this not an proper English issue?  For example I think proper English is something along the lines of:

I am from Seattle, Wa of the United States. 

Hey maybe I am wrong, but you can and should use "the" at times to describe a country.

Am I missing something?

RPM

[catzenmouse]

Do you use "the" America? "The" Russia? It is like referring to it as an area and not the sovereign nation that it is. It is simply respect for the country and the people. If you are serious about a relationship of this sort you better, at least, know how to speak about the country. If you do not or cannot show and demonstrate that then you are showing a whole lot more about yourself in ways that are not very good.

Ken

[Admin]

From Wikipedia:

In English, the country is sometimes referred to with the definite article, as the Ukraine, as in the Netherlands, the Gambia, the Sudan or the Congo. However, usage without the article is becoming more frequent, and has become established in journalism and diplomacy since the country's independence (for example, within the style guides of The Economist, The Guardian and The Times). Additionally, the usage of "the Ukraine" in English is sometimes discouraged because of the inference that it regards Ukraine as merely a region rather than an independent nation-state.

FWIW

- Dan

[rpmschevy]

Dan thank you for the note.  The point I was trying to make is that it depends on how the sentence is structured.  Again I refer to my example and my understanding of the proper use of English.  However, since it has a potential negative slight, modifying my English structure may be required.

Hey Ken did you see my example?  Have you ever heard of someone saying "The United States of America" (note take a look at our currency)?  We our not America, we our "the" United States of America or "the" USA.  Using your example of saying America, would you not be insulting Mexico, Honduras, Canada, Brazil, etc citizens because they are all part of America as well.  I live in Redmond, WA of "the" United States is what I said.  I used "the" because that is proper English.  America is not a sovereign nation, the USA is.  America is made up of three continents (north, central, south). 

And Ken in reference to my search and meeting ladies, as I said "the Ukraine" I also said "the United States" or the Pacific NW.  I placed the USA and Ukraine on equal footing in terms of English.   So could be that your use of "America" demonstrates something of yourself in respect to the rest of our American continent neighbors?  Maybe Ken how you phrase your responses has a great deal to say about yourself.  I asked a simple question, and Dan politely responded, your responses are on the negative or attacking.  How about re-reading your responses before posting.  This board is about asking questions and seeking answers, hopefully in civil and polite terms. 

Again thank you Dan for something new to ponder.

[catzenmouse]

My responses are attacking? Whatever dude. Have a good life. I won't bother with this anymore.

[Michelangelo]

For the newbies who come this way and read this in the future, some things are just the way they are and you just have to go with the flow.

For example, first time I visited Manhattan, I pronounced Houston Street like the big city in Texas.  My friend who lived there corrected my pronouncment and laughed at me!  How was I to know?

But now I know, and I'm glad he corrected me.

Same goes with Ukraine.  If you want to be a local, don't put "the" in front of it...

[Thor]

Hi Neil. You are rigth about the CA, it seems to me also to be a scam agency. In fackt it seems to me that most agencys in Ukraina is scam, this because it is all about earning money, only business. Agencys are not interested in helping you to find a wife, only to rip you of for money.  All time I recive so many letters from CA in my mailbox, letters from very beautiful girls, and yes they respond very fast if you reply this letters, to fast...I also se the same girls at the topp 100 list today and they where there 2 years ago too...Anyway I can never understand why any men use agencys to meet girls, in fackt it seems to me that most US men goes to agencys, European men goes to agencys the first time and after this they often realisy that this is scam and look for other ways to meet sincere girls. At the momendt I am in  Kharkov and I am helping to Englishmen from Bristol to meet girls here in Kharkov. They have used newspapers ads and have meet a lot of girls. At the monendt they are dating 2 girls every day here in Kharkov. These are girls that never ever would go to a agency, they are mostly sincere and are looking for serious relashionship. 2 days ago a man from Switserland came here and my friend Slava is helping him to meet girls too, he had his first date last nigth with a tall brunette from Kharkov. I used also used Slava to meet my princess Rena that I am now have been with since last November. You can see photos of her under trip reports and the trip repport "y trip tp Kharkov 3-12 march". If you would like to know more so se3nd me a private message. Dont waist your money on agencys any more.

[Milton]

I have just been in Dnepr and Zapro and use some agency to meet girls and CA seem to me to better then the other agency i use. I think that many men forget it is a business.
I did also meet two girls from freepersonals and i ask some girls to date me when i was there.
All in all i did only meet one girl out of eight the was interested in me from cindy and had no problems.
Many of the other girls i met had mental and one was also serious ill and a girl there was listed at Anastasia i saw the agency checking her mail. She had receive many letters and i think it most be odd that one man date this girl and many other waist money in sending her letters.

[wiz]

In fackt it seems to me that most agencies in Ukraina is scam, this because it is all about earning money, only business.

Dont waist your money on agencys any more.

Hi Stor

Still down there? Have you been a good boy or you still argue with the trees?......LOL


Do you remember my postings to "Dear John"...... and "How to find an Honest Ukrainian woman?"

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1741.0

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1749.0


In both of these posts I have expressed my opinion that is better and cheaper to meet a Ukrainian women, if you are prepared to do a little of work yourself, before you start searching.

Many people of course, especially our American friends, prefer to go via the agency route. I will not say that all agencies are scammers but what I would say is that at the end of day they are all business and not charitable organisations. Take your pick as they are there to make money! If you find scammers on the way then is down to you!

Of course looking for an FSU woman, at the beginning, I have made several mistakes, by writing too many letters but after reviewing my approach last February, I started receiving many letters from more interesting women and now I have communication with very few and of course meeting them one at a time. One of them is already a favourite and we are meeting for second time next weekend in Corfu, in Greece.

Of course my profile is still out there and the site "Free personals" has produced many interesting women.

Yes I had also many scammers contacting me but after my first reply all of them apart of one stopped writing to me.

In my personal profile I have certain requirements and I ignore any letters that are not fulfilling my requirements.

The most important of all is that they must speak good English so we have good communication. After the first letter I refer them to my private Personal profile and there, if they do not speak good English, soon they realise the game is up and an on line translator is not good enough.

If they pass this test then I take a more close interest and take it from there!

I get the impression that many people here are not serious about looking to find an FSU woman to be their partner in life and only visiting the FSU countries for the fun and the sex, which they hope to get when there!

You can visit Ukraine or Russia many times but if you are not serious about your quest then you will never find one.

[PeeWee]

Hey Ken I am trying to fully understand your use of "the" here.

What do you refer to your home country?  Is this not an proper English issue?  For example I think proper English is something along the lines of:

I am from Seattle, Wa of the United States. 

Hey maybe I am wrong, but you can and should use "the" at times to describe a country.

Am I missing something?

RPM

Is it not usually two word countrys that are preceeded by "The"?  The United States. The United Kingdom. The exceptions might be South Korea, New Zealand, and North Korea. The Dominican Republic. Another exception might be The Netherlands. The Czeck Republic.  Many times the "The" preceedes dual named countries.

In the recent Tom Cruise War of the Worlds two different TV news actors refer to it as "The Ukraine". Sloppy script writing.



Peewee