Changes At Tver Angels!!

[Rvrwind]

At Tver Angels we are constantly upgrading & changing to adapt with the times & the clients wishes. With that in mind we have implemented some changes to our programs & our site. Very small but significant non the less.
The Mirrorsite has now been changed to a FreeSite http://www.tverangels.com/newsite/ with all that that implies: Free Registration, Free Access to other members, Free Exchange of any & all information, Free Access to the Forum and all other services provided by the site, all you need to do is become a registered member!!! Only the items listed on the Services Page will be charged, full access to the site & other members is FREE!!!
We decided our other site is doing well enough that we can offer the FreeSite for FREE!!!
Regarding our main site. Although we do not have many ladies in our program I would like to inform everybody that we have made agreements with two other agencies in Tver, giving us access to more than 1,000 ladies in Tver & the Tver Region.
As is well known our services are offered as pay for what you use & we do not sell full service packages. As our last client stated, 'By using our services it saved him enough money that he could spend an extra week on the ground'.
That being said, it seems that our Tourist end is quite a hit as it seems to be doing much better than the ladies on our site. We are looking in to adding more touristy type things for those who just want to enjoy the culture, scenery & history of Russia, although our present offerings are quite extensive.
So if you are still searching, Tver Angels offers you many options not available elsewhere.

[Marc Dayton]

Word smithing damm your good at it?

You have been told by Dennis that we will open are doors to men who are in Tver. They can come in and meet are girls with out the full service price that had nothing to do with you or your service. If any service in Tver was working with you thay would let you post there profiles on your site.

My question to you would be why would we give you a free ride? Stop talking and show us the RW profiles.

I talked to TverRomance they told me they told you no thank you. So that leaves you with behappy who you say you will not use. I will burn my computers befor I work with A-web ?

So Richard is this just more wordsmithing, and twisting the truth to make you look good because if you have other girls I for one would love to see them on your site.

[Rvrwind]

I am not going to rise to the bait & attack you personally as you have done to me, I will just explain the way thngs work so that even you can comprehend. I say what I say because it is fact, and that is all that matters.

My question to you would be why would we give you a free ride?

I don't recall asking for a free ride & from you that is the very last thing I would expect.
Your right Natasha said no, but the part you ddn't get told was that the client got to meet those exact same ladies through another service & Natasha lost the money & the other service made the money. So you see Marc, there is more to the story. You don't want to deal with me, fine, I can deal with others who have 90% of the same ladies you have, it makes no never mind to me other than those who choose to work with me will make the money, those who don't, won't. Simple, yes.
What you & Natasha havn't figured out yet, is just because a guy writes to your ladies & just because he may talk to you, that doesn't make him your client & the ladies are not your sole property as you like to think. Until the guy lands on the ground & you pick him up at the airport, he's on his own. Once you pick him up & put him up, then he is your client.
The perfect example is the one you brought up. Natasha wouldn't let him meet the ladies because she claimed he was her client & I stole him. Crapola, he was registered with me before he started dealing with her. Not only that but you had a profile on him & so did BeHappy! So, I ask you.
Who's Client is he when we all had him in our data bases?
Nobodies Marc, until he lands on the ground in Tver or pays for his trip, he's nobodies client.
As for my girls, well I am concentrating on the travel & accomodations as I find that more to my liking & it comes with much less frustration. Most of my current clients are not even coming here to look for women but are taking trips & doing some site seeing. Only the odd one or two is looking for a lady & to be perfectly honest I prefer it that way. I even have a family of 4 coming over in 2 weeks that are going on a tour.
So Marc, whatever threatens you about me is way misplaced. I'm not even trying to compete with you or anybody else, just offering a service & giving the best I can. As a matter of fact I have been considering dropping the ladies I have to commit solely to apartment rentals & travel & sightseeing. Would make life so much easier. I'll see how it goes over the summer & then I'll decide which way I want to go.
Oh, by the way, you should get your facts straight. Don't know how you figure we been in buisness 2 years (from the other thread) considering we didn't launch our site until October 2005. If my math is correct, that makes it well under 1 year, 9 months to be exact & that isn't including the delay in hospital due to my heart attack.
Whatever happens, I thank you once again for your explanation in the other thread & I wish you luck with that. Time will tell & your clients will be your judge, not me, ain't my job or my worry, but just judging from your heated & threatening response I'd say theres more to it than meets the eye.

[Marc Dayton]

Damm good word smithing. So in other words you use are sites for getting pepole to Travel to Tver to site see? Thats a good one? Do you think anyone belives this crap.

[BC]

This is getting almost as bad as SVO taxi drivers..

[andrewfi]

Did you ever see what happens to crocodiles when the river dries up?

Evry time you see this stuff it becomes even more obvious that the business is dying, not enough real male clients and very few women, even in a shithole like Tver who want to sell themselves to foreign guys. If it were not so they would not be fighting over one lump of meat (client), they would be working together to figure how to get more money out of the plenty of clients and women.

A few years ago I suggested that MOB agencies would merge to reduce overhead and/or move into inward tourism services. At least Richard is getting the hang of that model. I am sure that if he had more women in his database he would be shouting the fact from the rooftops - they are a much more profitable add-on to travel services than just travel.

So, bite away guys, it is fun to watch and we all learn something, just like with the animal shows on TV!

[Jack]

A couple of comments and observations from this thread.

Richard you have stated that you are now in a partnership with two other agencies in Tver in which you have access to more than 1000 ladies.  Such a relationship and association I think would help your agency tremendously.

I am aware, I thought, of most the major agencies in Tver but I also know things are always changing, new agencies starting up, etc, and with you being on the ground in Tver you (and Marc as another example) would be the first to know of new agencies probably before the rest of us.

I think you and I have the same feeling about Be Happy, or maybe your thoughts/feelings about them have changed, if so I would like very much to hear of your change of heart regarding Be Happy.  But Richard, if Marc is correct and you did indeed approach Natasha with Tver Romance, well to say the least I am very surprised. I mean the way you feel about Anastasiascamweb, as many of us do, why would you work with Tver Romance?  As far as scamming, cheating, lying, heck I have seen this from Tver Romance with my own eyes and ears and have three other clients who can testify as well as to Natasha's out right attempt at scamming and lying. As well I believe Mad Maxx has had and expressed his personal involvement with being scammed by Tver Romance. Richard, a leopard does not change it's spot. Unless Natasha has sold Tver to a new entity, why would you, how could you, even consider doing business with this agency?  If this is true in my opinion it looks like the signs of a desperate act.

Richard unless it is a secret, could you tell us which two Tver agencies you now have an agreement with that allows clients access to over 1000 fine ladies in Tver and the Tver region?

[Rvrwind]

Not a problem Jack & I will say that there is another agency opening here as well. I don't know if Marc is aware of it but I do know his staff is. Why someone else would come to Tver is beyond me, but hey it ain't my money to burn. If they were to hook  up with another company already here they might have a chance but other than that, I don't see them succeeding to a big degree, however, I could be wrong. They are marketing themselves as TverBrides. At what stage they are, I don't know offhand.
As for not working with A-web, let me put that in context. I would not allow A-web to swallow my company & become an affiliate. Working with there affiliates one can stay away from the seamy side to a degree. Just as you will be doing with LTP now that you are doing the Tver Tour thing in partnership with them. That puts you in exactly the same position as me.
I don't recall saying I was working in partnership with any other agency. What I did say was:

have made agreements with two other agencies in Tver, giving us access to more than 1,000 ladies in Tver & the Tver Region.

BH has always consented to guys walking in off the street, I discussed this with Yaroslav a long time ago & he happily excepts any guy who walks into his office. LTP who at one time would not allow it has now realized that there is money to be made in doing so, now that Dennis has taken a more pro-active role in its management, so have consented to guys walking in off the street & meeting their ladies for a price, this is good.
Contrary to Marcs opinion, this is not what was told to me:

You have been told by Dennis that we will open are doors to men who are in Tver. They can come in and meet are girls with out the full service price that had nothing to do with you or your service.

In this regard all the agencies clients get in effect a chance at meeting many more ladies. As Natasha was so nasty to the last guy that came through me, I no longer recommend guys go through TR. LTP made the money that she could have made, fortunate for them, unfortunate for TR.
I am well aware of the consiquences & results of writing letters through TR & BH but once the guys are on the ground in Tver it is very easy for them to meet many beauiful ladies through BH & LTP. TR has yet to learn the effects & benifits of cooperation. For all thier faults BH has a lot of ladies, real ladies, I have met many myself, however the letter writing process leaves much to be desired.
TR well although fewer ladies much the same can be said for the letter writing.
I recommend guys don't write just come & walk in off the street. I was telling them that before I even opened my agency.
As I said I prefer to just handle the travel end of things & they can deal with the women & the interpreters & all that comes with that.
Guys are going to use BH & TR anyway as well as LTP. I have come to realize that no matter what is said about them anywhere on Blacklists or Scam Sites or even these message boards, it doesn't change a damn thing, they continue to grow & thrive. So I guess in a way I have given up trying to change something I can never change & work with them rather than against them to a point. For the few guys I get, it isn't going to amount to a hill of beans to there overall clientel or income, but it will give those few guys a chance to meet some ladies, while putting a few $'s in their coffers. I'd much rather not deal with the introduction end of it at all, which may happen in the end. I get much more fun & enjoyment out of the fishing trips & cruises & site seeing than seems to come with the dating end of things. Getting involved in peoples personal relationships, as much as I like to help, really gets stressful & is not good for my health. However the free fishing trips & cruises I get for bringing buisness to those venues is great!!!
Both LTP & BH can now boast of having over a thousand women to meet because working together they have achieved that. By opening thier doors to each others clients as well as mine. This only benifits them & the clients & makes Tver a much more desirable place to search. With its closeness to Moscow & SPB, Tver is ideally suited for the traveller. The costs being much less than Moscow or SPB but still having fairly reasonable accessibility to both.
As in any buisness, marketing is key.

[Marc Dayton]

I just love your wording know LTP and BH working together over 1000 girls.

Richard you are just flat out trying to bend the truth to suit your needs by saying we are working together you are just flat out trying to get men to think you are something your not!

Will I be working with Puttin Next ?

The LTP offers to let men come into the Tver office, and meet the girls one by one. Well let me just say this Richard your makeing a vary good case for not doing this one bad apple spoiles it for the others. I also would like to point out to the RWD 13 years I have not sold one trip to a man to site see. Let me tell you why if a man comes to Tver he is looking for a wife. There are many men who will say if it don't work our then I will get to see the sites?

So to exsplote or use this to sell a trip to a man is stoping him from any chance he has to find a wife. Time is the one thing you don't have to give to the wonderfull smell on the Volga River. Its hard enuff to find her so we don't side track the men to make a doller or two on the side.

Think about this when you find your Russian wife you will go back to Russia sometimes once a year? Don't you think you will have all the time in the world to site see After you find your wife you can see all the site with her FREE

[Marc Dayton]

I almost for got to ask you a question or two Richard?

I have birds who sing in my ears too. Is it that you dont want to work with interputers and office staff? or is it true girls dont want to work for you because your so bold and hard core with them? or is this also wordsmithing about site seeing to make you look good?

Second is it true that you shut down your office because you could not pay the rent, and sold all your office computers to try and pay the rent? is this more of your wordsmithing to make you look good? just want to know if its true or not.

One more will I am at it if your makeing such good money on this site seeing why were you crying to the last man about not getting paid from your so called good job in Tver. I look foward to your wordsmithing

[Admin]

Hey Guys,

Agencies pissing on one another's shoes is not a very effective way to attract business. It may feel good to try to make a point or two in your favor (at the DISbenefit of the other) - but it usually does just as these threads are doing - and devolves into an internet shouting match that has no value (other than entertainment) to the board members, and no clear victor.

Suggest you take your disagreement offline and resolve your differences there.

Once resolved (even if only an agreement to disagree and keep it between yourselves) - then come back and let everyone know how you, and your service(s), can be of some HELP to the members.

- Dan

[Marc Dayton]

Dan, there is nothing I would love to do more then work things out with Richard, but as you see in the e-mails I sent you that won't happen. I have stay off your board out of trying to respect the fact that you, and the others on the RWD don't need to here this crap.

The truth is for me I am just 100% sick of whats going on with some of the posters on this board and on others. I am not talking about men that are looking for a wife or men that slam me or any other service that dose not to a good Job for them. They have the wright 100% to say how they feel.

I understand that men will find this hard to belive, but the truth is many of the newbe's don't know what is real and what is a lie, there getting hurt by being miss lead with smoke and BS. Haveing a pissing match is not in the best intress of LTP, but I will say it is in the best intress of the men reading this crap. Why so he can see just a bit better who he is dealing with.

Dan you have a vary nice board you have turn this into a service that flat out dust RWG. There is one problum no one can fix that is prentenders.

Dan I am sorry I have gone father then I wanted to with this so. Its time to go back to waht I was doing I have a small stamp Biz on e-bay under the name DVDS4DVDSCOM it and my 6 year old take up allmost all my spear time good luck to all, If anyone has a stamp collection they want to sell let me know.

[Rvrwind]

TFF...I refuse to get into an argument for yours or anybody elses pleasure. I will say one thing though, whoever your 'I have birds who sing in my ears too' are they should get their facts straight instead of yankin' your chain. Those stories are just too funny to even merit a reply & nowhere near the truth I might add, except for the one about me not having an office which is true, but for what do I need an office when all my work is done over the internet, seems like a waste of money to me, besides I get to work in my PJ's all day, LOL, & if I don't feel like shaving, I don't.
I could go into a schpeal & stoop to your level but I won't, I see no point. You have nothing I need or want. Dennis is finally taking a pro-active roll & doing the things that should have been done long ago, for that I commend him, better late than never, & I will work with him as much as I can & give him as much buisness as I can, no thanks to you.

A few years ago I suggested that MOB agencies would merge to reduce overhead and/or move into inward tourism services. At least Richard is getting the hang of that model. I am sure that if he had more women in his database he would be shouting the fact from the rooftops - they are a much more profitable add-on to travel services than just travel.

Couldn't agree more Andrew. In fact you would be surprised how many guys write me that want to do exactly that. Go fishing, take a cruise & meet ladies naturally without an agency involved. Not a lot have come yet but I do have deposits from 2 already, so I am starting to see the trend change. It won't be long before the whole dating agency buisness will be totally obsolete. Like I said, I'm seriously considering getting out of the dating thing all together. I have been working with two local travel agencies & just added a third last week. I am however running out of ideas for new & interesting things to provide.

[mike15]

Rvrwind and Jack

I am a former client of Tver Romance, Natasha and her staff are excellent to work with.   To even mention them as a scam agency is a flat out lie.  I was very happy with their service and they were helpful even when my relationship at that time fell apart.  All the girls in their service are real, as I have met several.  I am currently using LTP, simply because I fell in love with a girl in their program.  LTP has a great service also and I consider both agencies equal in their service. The staff and principles at both companies are honest and professional, I would love to have Natasha (Tver Romance) and Nady (lifetime partner) attend my weeding.

As we all know there are many SCAMS on the internet, please be careful when slinging mud at your competitors. 

Before you know it, you have to go back to your old job of trying to sell Ocean Front Property in Arizona.

[Sohkay]

If you agency owners would stop yanking on each other's p-p's, you would have more time to devote to your businesses. As one member out here, I really don't want to see your whiney little girl slap matches. Take it private boys, and don't start to muck up what is the best FSU women discussion board on the net.

[Admin]

If you agency owners would stop yanking on each other's p-p's, you would have more time to devote to your businesses. As one member out here, I really don't want to see your whiney little girl slap matches. Take it private boys, and don't start to muck up what is the best FSU women discussion board on the net.

Well Sohkay - I just want to take the opportunity to agree with you on both counts!

We *are* the best FSU discussion board on the net - and I *ALSO* wish they would take it off-board!

Cheers!

- Dan

[Rvrwind]

and I *ALSO* wish they would take it off-board!

I don't have a problem with that but do feel than when I am attacked I do have the right to respond & I think I did so in a very reasonable way by not rolling in the mud like my attacker.

To even mention them as a scam agency is a flat out lie.

Congradulations, you had a good experience, but I don't write things I cannot prove & niether does Jack. So before you call us liars perhaps you need to check your facts.

As we all know there are many SCAMS on the internet, please be careful when slinging mud at your competitors.

I am & I don't state things I cannot prove & if it does happen I am quick to retract it & apologize but in this instance I am correct & so is Jack & we can prove it, otherwise we would be hesitant in saying it.

[mike15]

You just seem like a sleazy person.

[Admin]

You just seem like a sleazy person.

Mike,

It is not clear to whom your comment is directed - but it is clear that it is out of line.

Knock it off.

- Dan

[Rvrwind]

Mike,

It is not clear to whom your comment is directed - but it is clear that it is out of line.

Knock it off.

- Dan

I'm pretty sure it was directed at me Dan, but no matter. Him being new & all (5 posts) it is obvios he doesn't have a clue who he is dealing with or our reputations in this buisness (mine & Jacks) in relation to those he defends so admirably. I'll give him this one for free, but next time I may not be so gracious.
He's with a good company now, LTP will treat him well & serve him well.

[Rvrwind]

By the way Mike, you might want to read this thread before you jump in & start calling people names. The proof is in the pudding!

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1512.0

[Marc Dayton]

By Richard

I don't have a problem with that but do feel than when I am attacked I do have the right to respond & I think I did so in a very reasonable way by not rolling in the mud like my attacker.

reasonable way by not rolling in the mud like my attacker.

I must be blind, Richard are you so in Love with yourslef that you can't see the things you write. When it comes to mud slinging you wrote the book, Jack has a 100% driffrent problum with TverRomance more wordsmithing then you do, but then you have a problum with any agency in Tver. You blast all of us but can't look at yoursleff!

Dan for Gods sake why dont you cut both these post off the board make a point if any agency can't respect the men and the board there post will be cut off, but don't ask me to sit back, and put up with Richards wordsmithing and games!!

[Michelangelo]

Peace to all...