The Russian/Syrian connection thread

[Gator]

FT, a slight point of correction: the two brothers were raised primarily in Kyrgyzstan and the Russian republic of Dagestan. They, as were their parents, deeply influenced by the Russian wars in Chechnya.

And Sen. Rand Paul and others concerned about terrorists among Syrian refugees, point to these two brothers as examples. 

[Anotherkiwi]

I post the articles, I'm not their editor.

I realise that.  I give thanks to you and JayH for making the time to find all of these articles that those of us with busier lives  don't see.

Many of these fact checkers are liberal groups pretending to be unbiased who will twist any fact to suit their liberal interests.  None of the fact checkers disputed the percentage of Muslims to Christians.

Give us a break!  Here you go, using "liberal" as a swear word again!  And so what if they didn't dispute the relative percentages of the religions?  It's your conservative politicians who twisted the reality to suit their listenership. 

[fathertime]

FT, a slight point of correction: the two brothers were raised primarily in Kyrgyzstan and the Russian republic of Dagestan. They, as were their parents, deeply influenced by the Russian wars in Chechnya.

In addition to the deaths they caused, the two managed to wound 264 civilians and 15 police officers.

noted...thanks...looks like they were here about 10 years prior to bombing.


Fathertime!

[fathertime]

By us (The US) continuing to make a big stink over 'Assad must go', we are continuing to foster a climate for ISIS.   Apparently the latest meetings regarding Syria were once again torpedo by our instance that Assad must go.  Why we (outsiders) must give a strong opinion, and insist it is only the way we want it?  We are not the boss of the planet.  If we actually want ISIS gone we could start by stopping our 'accidental' arming of them. 


http://news.yahoo.com/syria-army-rebels-pursue-talks-ceasefire-near-capital-100034113.html


Hopes for Syria peace dim after Assad, Obama remarks


Beirut (AFP) - Hopes for a quick political transition in war-ravaged Syria dimmed Thursday as embattled President Bashar al-Assad threw cold water on an ambitious timetable agreed at international talks in Vienna.

At the same time, the US held firm to its calls for Assad's departure, with President Barack Obama insisting Thursday that the war could not end unless the Syrian leader steps down......



Fathertime! 

[2tallbill]

LMAO, and C(onservative)N(ews)S(ervice)network is fair and balanced, right? 

You asked if the article was fact checked. Then you posted a liberal fact checker
link that didn't dispute the story. I am sure they report with a conservative twist.
I post articles from the liberal rags all the time as well.

[2tallbill]

Give us a break!  Here you go, using "liberal" as a swear word again!  And so what if they didn't dispute the relative percentages of the religions?  It's your conservative politicians who twisted the reality to suit their listenership. 

There is plenty of that on both sides. The idiots are literally running the asylum.

[2tallbill]

Syrian community leader: ISIS is already in America
By Reuven Fenton and Bruce Golding

http://nypost.com/2015/11/19/syrian-community-leader-isis-is-already-in-new-york-city/

[2tallbill]

EXCLUSIVE — CONFIRMED: 8 SYRIANS CAUGHT AT TEXAS BORDER IN LAREDO

read all about it here
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/18/report-8-syrians-caught-at-texas-border-in-laredo/

[2tallbill]

ISIS threatens NYC in new propaganda video
By Shawn Cohen, Isabel Vincent and Tina Moore New York Post

read about it here
http://nypost.com/2015/11/18/isis-threatens-nyc-in-new-propaganda-video/

[2tallbill]

Obama quote:  "Apparently they're scared of widows and orphans coming in to the United States of America as part of our tradition of compassion.  At first they were worried about the press being too tough on 'em during debates.  Now they're worried about three-year-old orphans.  That doesn't sound very tough to me.  They've been playing on fear in order to try to score political points or to advance their campaigns.  And it's irresponsible.  And it's contrary to who we are.  And it needs to stop, because the world is watching."

Obama and the democrats were so unable to take any criticism that they canceled
the debate in 2007 with Fox News₁ following a joke chairman Roger Ailes
made about candidate Barack Obama.

Obama is petulant, childish man-child who's having trouble getting his way without
opposition.  Opposition offends his delicate disposition. Try to contrast Obama with
French president Hollande. 


1. http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/03/10/us-campaign-debate-idUSN0918742820070310#lDrEbzEOtOvRvTLi.97

[2tallbill]

Obama refuses to let grim reality change his ISIS script
By Jonah Goldberg New York Post

According to legend, if not actual historians, Harold Macmillan was once asked what
he most feared could derail his agenda. The British prime minister allegedly said,
“Events, my dear boy, events.”

Macmillan may never have actually said it, but the quote endures because it gets
at a fundamental truth of politics (and life). Facts on the ground can deliver a fatal
blow to one’s most cherished plans.

The line kept coming to mind as I listened to President Obama’s remarkable
news conference Monday from the G-20 meeting in Turkey. Asked again and
again whether he underestimated the threat from Islamic State, a group he
once dismissed as a “JV team,” the president said, in effect, “no.”

There is a lot more read all about it here (and it's pretty darn good in my opinion)
http://nypost.com/2015/11/17/obama-refuses-to-let-grim-reality-change-his-isis-script/

[2tallbill]

Terrorists Once Used Refugee Program to Settle in US
By JAMES GORDON MEEK BRIAN ROSS


Of the 31 states that have declared their opposition to taking in Syrian refugees, one state, Kentucky, has a specific reason to be wary of the background check process: previously two Iraqi refugees who settled in Bowling Green turned out to be al Qaeda-linked terrorists with the blood of American soldiers on their hands, an ABC News investigation found. Both pleaded guilty to terror-connected charges after trying to acquire heavy weapons while in America’s heartland.

There is more read all about it here
http://abcnews.go.com/International/terrorists-refugee-program-settle-us/story?id=35252500

[Muzh]

Obama refuses to let grim reality change his ISIS script
By Jonah Goldberg New York Post

According to legend, if not actual historians, Harold Macmillan was once asked what
he most feared could derail his agenda. The British prime minister allegedly said,
“Events, my dear boy, events.”

Macmillan may never have actually said it, but the quote endures because it gets
at a fundamental truth of politics (and life). Facts on the ground can deliver a fatal
blow to one’s most cherished plans.

The line kept coming to mind as I listened to President Obama’s remarkable
news conference Monday from the G-20 meeting in Turkey. Asked again and
again whether he underestimated the threat from Islamic State, a group he
once dismissed as a “JV team,” the president said, in effect, “no.”

There is a lot more read all about it here (and it's pretty darn good in my opinion)
http://nypost.com/2015/11/17/obama-refuses-to-let-grim-reality-change-his-isis-script/

Bill, the NY Post is a Murdoch-owned conservative rag, and I don't use the word rag lightly. This paper has hit rock bottom in terms of credibility.


You know the paper was founded by Alexander Hamilton (the hottest ticket in Broadway right now) and it proudly displayed that info on their headmast every day.  As soon as that fcuking Australian bought it (no insult intended to the nice people of OZ) they got rid of that because of his intentions and they had nothing to do with journalism. Now that the bastard has become an American citizen, they should try him for sedition.


I really hope he rots in hell.


Have a nice day. 

[JayH]

Bill, the NY Post is a Murdoch-owned conservative rag, and I don't use the word rag lightly. This paper has hit rock bottom in terms of credibility.


You know the paper was founded by Alexander Hamilton (the hottest ticket in Broadway right now) and it proudly displayed that info on their headmast every day.  As soon as that fcuking Australian bought it (no insult intended to the nice people of OZ) they got rid of that because of his intentions and they had nothing to do with journalism. Now that the bastard has become an American citizen, they should try him for sedition.


I really hope he rots in hell.


Have a nice day. 

Murdoch see's himself as a kingmaker.  He figured out long ago that using the lowest common denominator had by far the most potential for him to create influence and  gave him the greatest leverage to get the world changed to his advantage/or the way he wants it!

[2tallbill]

Bill, the NY Post is a Murdoch-owned conservative rag, and I don't use the word rag lightly. This paper has hit rock bottom in terms of credibility.

It's an opinion article. Attack the argument not the source. Fallacy of reasoning
(Ad Hominem)

[2tallbill]

Obama, vastly underestimated ISIS as the JV squad. Obama's predictions have been
terribly wrong and he quite frankly has egg all over his face. The gobbledygook that 
he has been been spouting seems out of touch with reality. Obama is wrecking the
democrat brand similar to what Jimmy Carter did at the end of his presidency.

'The White House will turn black with our fire, Allah willing'
ISIS warns of fresh attacks on Washington in the third video to threaten
America in as many days
Fanatics have released a new video threatening to attack the White House
Another extremist also threatens Barack Obama and Francois Hollande
Says ISIS will lead America, France and their allies 'like slaves, like dogs'
Previous videos threatened attacks on Washington DC and New York


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3325952/The-White-House-turn-black-fire-Allah-willing-ISIS-warns-fresh-attacks-Washington-video-threaten-America-days.html#ixzz3s3TxOOua

[fathertime]

Another admission of illegality today, this time from Congress.  It seems clear to me that the American people are NOT behind our nation's policy of trying to force regime change in Syria.  Now even members of congress from both sides of the aisle str calling for us to stop trying to interfere in Syria.  My belief remains that we attempted to foment, arm, and spearhead these 'rebels' among other things to try to harm the Russian/Syrian alliance by forceful regime change.   
US lawmakers say forget Assad, focus on IS


In an unusual alliance, a House Democrat and Republican have teamed up to urge the Obama administration to stop trying to overthrow Syrian President Bashar Assad and focus all its efforts on destroying Islamic State militants.......


"The U.S. is waging two wars in Syria," Gabbard said. "The first is the war against ISIS and other Islamic extremists, which Congress authorized after the terrorist attack on 9/11. The second war is the illegal war to overthrow the Syrian government of Assad."....

....Publicly, the United States has focused its efforts on fighting IS and urging Assad to step down. But beyond thousands of U.S. airstrikes targeting IS in the region, the CIA began a covert operation in 2013 to arm, fund and train a moderate opposition to Assad. The secret CIA program is the only step the U.S. is taking on Assad militarily......


http://news.yahoo.com/us-lawmakers-forget-assad-focus-172759340.html


Fathertime!   

[2tallbill]

Syria crisis: Russia, Assad forces launch heaviest strikes
on Islamic State-held territory since war began

At least 36 people were killed in air strikes by Russian and Syrian jets on Islamic
State-controlled Deir Ezzor province on Friday, a monitor says, describing them
as the heaviest in the region since the start of the Syrian civil war.

Russia pounded the jihadist group in Syria, firing cruise missiles from warships in
the Caspian Sea after president Vladimir Putin vowed retaliation for a bombing that
brought down a Russian airliner in Egypt last month.



read all about it here
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-21/syrian-civil-war-dozens-killed-in-heavy-bombardment-by-russia/6961296

[2tallbill]

I wonder if Rob Virtue is the reporters real name

Putin's boost in battle against ISIS: China preparing to 'team up with Russia in Syria'
CHINA could be on the verge of teaming up with Russia to unleash
 its military might in Syria and destroy Islamic State (ISIS).
By ROB VIRTUE



http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/610286/China-preparing-to-team-up-with-Russia-in-Syria-Boost-for-Putin-in-battle-against-ISIS

[2tallbill]

I think that Obama is playing checkers while Putin is playing chess.


U.S. Eyes Russia-Iran Split in Bid to End Syria Conflict
Washington’s Middle East allies aim to coax Putin to
support limits on Tehran-backed Assad’s time in power



read all about it here
http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-eyes-russia-iran-split-in-bid-to-end-syria-conflict-1447895357

[2tallbill]

The tiny pill fueling Syria’s war and turning fighters into superhuman soldiers
By Peter Holley Washington Post



On the surface, those competing actors are fueled by an overlapping mixture of ideologies and political agendas.

Just below it, experts suspect, they're powered by something else: Captagon.

A tiny, highly addictive pill produced in Syria and widely available across the Middle
East, its illegal sale funnels hundreds of millions of dollars back into the war-torn
country's black-market economy each year, likely giving militias access to new
arms, fighters and the ability to keep the conflict boiling, according to the Guardian.

read all about it here
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/11/19/the-tiny-pill-fueling-syrias-war-and-turning-fighters-into-super-human-soldiers/

[2tallbill]

Syria’s Speed Freaks, Jihad Junkies, and Captagon Cartels
BY CHAVALA MADLENA, RADWAN MORTADA FP

IRUT — In a dank garage in a poor neighborhood in south Beirut, young men are
hard at work. Industrial equipment hums in the background as they put on their
surgical masks and form assembly lines, unpacking boxes of caffeine and quinine,
in powder and liquid form. They have turned the garage into a makeshift illegal
drug factory, where they produce the Middle East’s most popular illicit drug: an
amphetamine called Captagon.



For at least a decade, the multimillion-dollar Captagon trade has been a fixture of
the Middle East’s black markets. It involves everyone from Bulgarian and Syrian
gangs, to Hezbollah, to members of the Saudi royal family.


read all about it here
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/19/syria-isis-captagon-lebanon-assad/

[2tallbill]

War on ISIS: Who's doing what?
By Ashley Fantz, CNN

read all about it here
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/20/world/war-on-isis-whos-doing-what/

[2tallbill]

How that 'jayvee team' metastasized into the world's most destructive terror force
By Caroline Alexander & Salma El Wardany

image: http://www.jewishworldreview.com/images/cleardot.gif

Read more at http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1115/ISIS_timeline.php3#LlCmz1BaPoc3ZJKf.99

[Brasscasing]

The tiny pill fueling Syria’s war and turning fighters into superhuman soldiers
By Peter Holley Washington Post



On the surface, those competing actors are fueled by an overlapping mixture of ideologies and political agendas.

Just below it, experts suspect, they're powered by something else: Captagon.

A tiny, highly addictive pill produced in Syria and widely available across the Middle
East, its illegal sale funnels hundreds of millions of dollars back into the war-torn
country's black-market economy each year, likely giving militias access to new
arms, fighters and the ability to keep the conflict boiling, according to the Guardian.

read all about it here
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/11/19/the-tiny-pill-fueling-syrias-war-and-turning-fighters-into-super-human-soldiers/

Nothing new, Bill.

The Nazi's called it Pervitin, 'pilot's salt', 'Stuka tablets' or 'tank chocolate'. Kept the troops "alert".

Japanese referred to it as Philopon. They produced millions of pills during the war years.

Allied Pilot's were issued amphetamines for long flight bomber raids. Although nowhere near what other militaries were issuing to their soldiers.

The Soviets ate the stuff like candy (don't remember what they called it) during the war and afterwards their KGB/GRU people were users as well as dealers.

It also suppressed hunger when rations were short.

By drugging their terrorist army, IS is taking a page from 20th century military doctrine keeping their operatives alert and active for what may be days at a time.

The downside is addiction and the emotional/physical 'crash' that occurs if the drugs are not supplied.

As an aside their is debate among historians that Hitler may have made a number of his seemingly irrational military/tactical decisions while high on Pervitin. He apparently was profoundly addicted to the drug and ingested it intravenously.

Brass