The Russian/Syrian connection thread

[2tallbill]

The downside is addiction and the emotional/physical 'crash' that occurs if the drugs are not supplied.

As an aside their is debate among historians that Hitler may have made a number of his seemingly irrational military/tactical decisions while high on Pervitin. He apparently was profoundly addicted to the drug and ingested it intravenously.

Brass

I've heard about it as well although not the stuff about Hitler.
I've heard about some Muslims chewing khat but not pharmaceuticals. 

[alex330]

The Soviets ate the stuff like candy (don't remember what they called it) during the war and afterwards their KGB/GRU people were users as well as dealers.

The Soviets called it "vint". Created by the Japanese in the Russo-Japanese War of 1905 and called "Shabu" at that time.

As an aside their is debate among historians that Hitler may have made a number of his seemingly irrational military/tactical decisions while high on Pervitin. He apparently was profoundly addicted to the drug and ingested it intravenously.

Theodor Morell injected Hitler every morning with water and Vitamultin (meth) to get him going.

[SANDRO43]

Nothing new, Bill.

Yes. In WWI our land troops were regularly issued liberal rations of brandy or grappa before an attack, "to stiffen up their resolve".

Allied Pilot's were issued amphetamines for long flight bomber raids.

In WWII my father was a transport pilot on the suicidal route from Sicily to Lybia, eventually shot down in April 1943 (http://www.floriani.it/papacrash-eng.htm), and he told me they could keep going only thanks to pills of simpamina (benzedrine)-

[tfcrew]

'The White House will turn black with our fire, Allah willing'



  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3325952/The-White-House-turn-black-fire-Allah-willing-ISIS-warns-fresh-attacks-Washington-video-threaten-America-days.html#ixzz3s3TxOOua

Don't understand this one from the Jihadis.
The White House [which is black enough?] is the kindest gentlest ally they could ever expect.

[tfcrew]

Bill, the NY Post is a Murdoch-owned conservative rag, and I don't use the word rag lightly. This paper has hit rock bottom in terms of credibility.

Incredibly, Murdoch also owns The New York Times... an ulta-liberal rag.
 
The shadow company is/or was? the globalist News Corporation.

 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times#Ownership
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_Corporation

 
 

[Muzh]

Don't understand this one from the Jihadis.
The White House [which is black enough?] is the kindest gentlest ally they could ever expect.

I believe they meant to burn a cross and lynch the Nigr.

[Muzh]

Incredibly, Murdoch also owns The New York Times... an ulta-liberal rag.
 
The shadow company is/or was? the globalist News Corporation.

 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times#Ownership
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_Corporation

I know you are using Wiki, but please read it again. They are citing examples of dual shares.

[Brasscasing]

In WWII my father was a transport pilot on the suicidal route from Sicily to Lybia, eventually shot down in April 1943 (http://www.floriani.it/papacrash-eng.htm), and he told me they could keep going only thanks to pills of simpamina (benzedrine)-

Interesting read, Sandro. Thanks for linking it. 

He definitely deserved to be recognized for what he did. Can you not submit for the medal now?

I'm thinking there should be some provision (Italian Government) for awarding decorations to WW2 veterans posthumously(?)

I suggest you petition the appropriate department, attach the letter and request the citation be awarded (in Canada usually presented to the closest living relative) to your Father.

The lack of documentation 70 years after the fact isn't a factor as far as I'm concerned. You're in possession of the after action combat report and recommendation. If an awards panel were to convene today with the same information recommending an award for bravery as was documented then by his Commanding Officer, it would be enough to decorate the candidate (in this case your Dad), imo.

Brass

[2tallbill]

I believe they meant to burn a cross and lynch the Nigr.

They just wanted to make his two daughters (old maids by Jihady standards)
into sex slaves.

[Gator]

I believe they meant to burn a cross and lynch the Nigr.

ISIS will leave him alone given he is calling  Eric Holder out of retirement to lead a new movement,  JIHADI LIVES MATTER.   

[mendeleyev]

Some of you may recall from a few years back that I used to debate LT here on the war in Syria, in regards to the attempts to remove Assad. I haven't changed in my assessment that the West has no business in Syria.

I do think however that since the Saudi Arabians have decided to hide behind a 1951 Convention (United Nations High Commission on Refugees) when accepting refugees with serious restrictions on the basis that there will be terrorists embedded--funny as that nation is as much a terror sponsor as is Iran--we should bomb the hell out of them as we retreat. Were we to do that, Russia would join us for that frolicking event. No, we would not have an oil crisis if we were to abandon the Saudis. The world would actually be a better place.

I don't always read David Stockman, but when I do it's an article like this one:
http://mises.org/library/blowback-washington-war-partys-folly-comes-home-roost


June 2013: http://russianreport.wordpress.com/2013/06/25/on-syria-from-antioch/

August 2013: http://russianreport.wordpress.com/2013/08/28/should-russia-oppose-washington-on-syria/

April 2012: http://russianreport.wordpress.com/2012/04/10/russia-to-send-monitors-to-syria/

May 2013: http://mendeleyev54.rssing.com/browser.php?indx=7513570&item=78

June 2012: http://russianreport.wordpress.com/2012/06/18/g20-brics-and-putin-on-syria-and-iran/

Sept. 2013: http://russianreport.wordpress.com/2013/09/19/new-sexy-syria-calendar-for-putin/

August 2013: Some of you may know the news conference in Vladivostok in which Mr. Putin lightly rebuked a certain journalist (who was not trying to be difficult) by responding with, "You know our position" instead of answering the question. http://russianreport.wordpress.com/2013/09/01/putin-press-conference-on-syria-and-g20/.  We went on to the G20 meetings in St Petersburg, hosted by Russia.

July 2012: http://russianreport.wordpress.com/2012/07/21/syria-update/

Finally, this: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14999.0

[2tallbill]

Not surprisingly Iran and Russia want to keep Assad. What's surprising is
that Obama wants to replace him. With whom? Obama doesn't know and
doesn't care. He didn't have a plan for Libya or Egypt either when he demanded
that they step down (or replaced their leaders). He is going in Jimmy Carter mode
when he insisted that the Shaw step down


Iran, Russia vow to external attempts' to dump Assad
AFP By Maria Panina

http://news.yahoo.com/russias-putin-arrives-tehran-100552859.html

[2tallbill]

Russian jets hit 472 targets in Syria in past two days

read all about it here
http://news.yahoo.com/russian-jets-hit-472-targets-syria-past-two-004846161.html

[SANDRO43]

I'm thinking there should be some provision (Italian Government) for awarding decorations to WW2 veterans posthumously(?) I suggest you petition the appropriate department, attach the letter and request the citation be awarded (in Canada usually presented to the closest living relative) to your Father.

Brass, thank you for your concern and suggestions, however I could not find on the 'Net any governmental/military addressee for a petition on the matter, and frankly I do not relish the idea of searching for one with other means, and dealing with our lethargic bureaucracy either .

[Brasscasing]

Brass, thank you for your concern and suggestions, however I could not find on the 'Net any governmental/military addressee for a petition on the matter, and frankly I do not relish the idea of searching for one with other means, and dealing with our lethargic bureaucracy either .

Understood. You've made your Dad's exploits and bravery part of your family history now and that's what really counts, anyways. 

Brass

[Gator]

Russian jets hit 472 targets in Syria in past two days

read all about it here
http://news.yahoo.com/russian-jets-hit-472-targets-syria-past-two-004846161.html

Pay close attention to this piece of news in the Yahoo report:  "The Russian defence ministry said last week that it was "hunting" oil transporters in a bid to cut IS financing and claimed that in the past five days some 1,000 fuel trucks had been destroyed"

This makes sense to me.  ISIS has supposedly sold nearly $1 billion of oil/fuel to Turkish outlets.  So stopping the flow of fuel to Turkey will reduce the ISIS programs dependent upon money (military operations against Assad and others, governance in ISIS territory, healthcare and  welfare for civilians residing in ISIS territory, terror operations in foreign lands, etc.).     

THE BIG QUESTION:  Why didn't Obama destroy the oil infrastructure 15 months ago when the US started its bombing?
 
[Answer in next post.]

[Gator]

Not surprisingly Iran and Russia want to keep Assad. What's surprising is
that Obama wants to replace him.   With whom?

And before he can be replaced, Assad's military must be defeated. 

Obama's strategy to accomplish this has two parts:

       1.  Fund some  opposition groups directly. 
       2.  Allow ISIS to continue to grow and thereby have the capacity to attack Assad's military. 

Yes, Number Two is why Obama did not destroy the oil infrastructure in bombing raids.  Oil is the largest source of revenue for ISIS.    (see my post above).

[2tallbill]

THE BIG QUESTION:  Why didn't Obama destroy the oil infrastructure 15 months ago when the US started its bombing?
 
[Answer in next post.]

The touchy feely Team Obama held off on such action in the past because of
concerns about killing civilian drivers of the trucks who may not be members
of Islamic State. It was classic ineptitude. The purpose of military action is to
kill people and destroy things. Team Obama thinks the purpose of military action
is to appear to be doing something.

[2tallbill]

And before he can be replaced, Assad's military must be defeated. 

Obama's strategy to accomplish this has two parts:

       1.  Fund some  opposition groups directly. 
       2.  Allow ISIS to continue to grow and thereby have the capacity to attack Assad's military. 

Yes, Number Two is why Obama did not destroy the oil infrastructure in bombing raids.  Oil is the largest source of revenue for ISIS.    (see my post above).

IMHO,
His strategy was flawed and counter productive. He misidentified the problems and
used dubious strategies to solve them. Destroying Assads army will leave another 
void filled by ISIS who has plans to harm the USA where Assad had no such goals.
Obama's funding of so called Moderate groups turned into a huge boondoggle and
in the end almost nobody entered the fray against Assad.


 

[Gator]

No, we would not have an oil crisis if we were to abandon the Saudis. The world would actually be a better place.

The world would be more peaceful.  Yet, the Russians and Iranians (after joining with the Mesopotamian Shi'ite) would control a majority of the world's oil supply if the Saudi oil were taken off the market.  Oil would be available, but at the highest price  the market could bear as determined by King Putin and the Ayatollah.  . 

I don't always read David Stockman, but when I do it's an article like this one:
http://mises.org/library/blowback-washington-war-partys-folly-comes-home-roost

A vibrant read.  Head of Reagan's OMB.   It is insightful to read material by authors who were there. 

Speaking of having been there, Elliot Ackerman is  a former Marine officer, awarded the purple heart and silver star fighting the precursors to ISIS.   He is  interviewed by Al Jazeera and CNN, and is just now getting serious about writing.   A  year-old piece about ISIS:   http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/07/watching-isis-come-to-power-again.html. 



 

http://russianreport.wordpress.com/2013/09/01/putin-press-conference-on-syria-and-g20/. 

Good show!   So have you......been there.    My advice, don't take this tact if you are in Iran. 

BTW, Miss December was spot on.  Too much woman for Obama. 

I really appreciate your posts. 

[SANDRO43]

Understood. You've made your Dad's exploits and bravery part of your family history now and that's what really counts, anyways. 

I moved a reply to http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=2657.msg419019#msg419019 as a more relevant venue .

[Muzh]

Here's a good, old-fashion American response to ISIS.


http://news.vice.com/article/gun-toting-protesters-held-a-rally-against-islamization-outside-a-texas-mosque?utm_source=vicenewsemail


Yep, almost look like Iran.

[fathertime]

Here's a good, old-fashion American response to ISIS.


http://news.vice.com/article/gun-toting-protesters-held-a-rally-against-islamization-outside-a-texas-mosque?utm_source=vicenewsemail


Yep, almost look like Iran.

This is where terroristic acts pay 'dividends' over and over. Fear on display.


Fathertime! 

[Slumba]

Here's a good, old-fashion American response to ISIS.


http://news.vice.com/article/gun-toting-protesters-held-a-rally-against-islamization-outside-a-texas-mosque?utm_source=vicenewsemail


Yep, almost look like Iran.

1 guy with a gun, 12 people total. 

[2tallbill]

1 guy with a gun, 12 people total.

Yes, quite the important breaking news event. I'm surprised they didn't
have the place swarming with news crews.