The Russian/Syrian connection thread

[BillyB]

So far, it is Trump that isn't doing anything...

Yesterday Russia Today news said a carrier strike group is coming. They also report in the link below that Russian investigators found no traces of chemical weapons. Well then, I guess those who thought America dropped the chemical weapons are wrong cause their ain't none. Can somebody tell me how Russian investigators went into a hostile zone they're trying to assault and conducted an investigation? If their troops can't gain ground into the city, send in the investigators!


http://www.rt.com/usa/423744-us-aircraft-truman-syria/

[tfcrew]

 
I seriously doubt 'putin' begged netanyahu regarding anything...but if you have a transcript I'd like to see it.

So would I....link?

I would also like to know how come professional videographers are always Johnny on the spot whenever Syrian civilians are 'attacked'?
When babies are crying?
Children are rubbing their eyes?
Adults are pointing to the sky and wailing?
Yet these people and their 'White Helmet' counterparts seem to always have been oblivious to the effects of these attacks themselves.
I might not know 'all about Syria' but I am keen to the ways of propaganda.
Not saying necessarily it is but then maybe it could be?

[jone]

Today the Russians are saying that someone else dropped the weapons, not the Syrians.  They can't get their excuses correct.  No one believes anything said by the Russians any more.  There is the real connection to Trump.  (Not collusion, stupidity.)

[fathertime]

I might not know 'all about Syria' but I am keen to the ways of propaganda.
Not saying necessarily it is but then maybe it could be?

The use of the word 'maybe' should be enough to give Trump pause....I suspect the word to use is 'probably', but either way, the US shouldn't be even thinking of firing missiles on a 'maybe' or a 'likely' etc etc.  The war hawks would like an immediate response before people even have time to think about it.  If missiles come to pass this time, I think we will indeed see a stiff Russian response, so this could be for all the marbles so having a president that has a few marbles missing isn't a good situation for us *The US*.   

Fathertime!   

[BillyB]

Today the Russians are saying that someone else dropped the weapons, not the Syrians.  They can't get their excuses correct.

Do you have a link to the article? As of yesterday, a number of articles came out in RT saying the Russian investigators found no traces of chemical weapons. If they changed their tune and said somebody else used chemical weapons, that means they know international inspectors who will be arriving soon will find traces of chemicals they couldn't clean up and their previous claim would be proven false.


Not only did they say there were no traces of chemical weapons, they said the photos were staged and the rebels put out Fake News.


http://www.rt.com/news/423627-russian-military-checks-chemical-douma/

[tfcrew]

 Having second thoughts?
Mattis says US ‘still assessing intelligence’ on alleged Syria attack Published time: 11 Apr, 2018 17:28
Amid Donald Trump’s bullish rhetoric, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis suggested that the US remains uncertain about the details of what exactly occurred in Douma on April 7, adding that no decision has been made to strike Syria.

http://www.rt.com/usa/423857-mattis-syria-intelligence-trump/

[BillyB]

Having second thoughts?
Mattis says US ‘still assessing intelligence’ on alleged Syria attack Published time: 11 Apr, 2018 17:28
Amid Donald Trump’s bullish rhetoric, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis suggested that the US remains uncertain about the details of what exactly occurred in Douma on April 7, adding that no decision has been made to strike Syria.

http://www.rt.com/usa/423857-mattis-syria-intelligence-trump/

I read Mattis's thoughts elsewhere. He said our military will be ready when the president asks to perform the task. Mattis and our Navy are preparing as if they are on a bombing mission 100%

 Russia proposed to have the UN investigate the chemical weapons attack and the results of the investigation can not be released to the public without Russia's exclusive approval. That proposal did not get enough votes for approval. Go figure.

America made a proposal to have UN independent investigators investigate the chemical weapons attack. That proposal had enough votes but Russia used their veto power to shoot it down. Me thinks Russia is stalling to get the area cleaned up and doesn't want an independent investigation. If the UN sits on their hands and can't get anybody to investigate due to Russia's block and stall tactics, me thinks Trump isn't going to play the game for weeks or months and he will bomb.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/syria-chemical-attack-douma-latest-us-russia-un-deadlock-investigation-a8298671.html

[alex330]

I seriously doubt 'putin' begged netanyahu regarding anything...but if you have a transcript I'd like to see it.

I don't have the transcript of their private conversation. There are a number of articles with the general gist. Israel wants Iranian blood and Putin is trying to talk them down. Israel has S400 killers in their arsenal...

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/in-call-to-netanyahu-putin-urges-israel-not-to-take-action-in-syria-1.5992415

And Israel calling for a strike after the talk with Huilo.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/netanyahu-calls-action-against-syria-699493981

I read Mattis's thoughts elsewhere. He said our military will be ready when the president asks to perform the task. Mattis and our Navy are preparing as if they are on a bombing mission 100%

http://mobile.reuters.com/video/2018/04/11/us-still-assessing-intel-on-syria-chemic?videoId=416875783&videoChannel=1

I read somewhere that Mattis slipped up and used the past tense in regards to the decision to strike.

[fathertime]

I don't have the transcript of their private conversation. There are a number of articles with the general gist. Israel wants Iranian blood and Putin is trying to talk them down. Israel has S400 killers in their arsenal...

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/in-call-to-netanyahu-putin-urges-israel-not-to-take-action-in-syria-1.5992415

And Israel calling for a strike after the talk with Huilo.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/netanyahu-calls-action-against-syria-699493981
 

I don't believe those obscure articles.  I saw another article in the US press today saying Netenyahu 'blasted' Trump over the telephone after he stated the US was leaving Syria.  I didn't believe that either.     Netanyahu is not in any position to blast, or threaten anyone, and doesn't have world leaders like Putin 'begging' him for anything.  Netanyahu is probably begging the US to stir something up for Israel's benefit, and begging russia to let it happen.   

Fathertime!   

[BillyB]

I read somewhere that Mattis slipped up and used the past tense in regards to the decision to strike.

Mattis didn't slip up. He did a good job giving people, especially our enemy, doubt there will be an attack. Trump, UK Prime Minister and French President slipped up telling Assad they're going to punish him. Now that they know we are coming for them, they'll scatter or hide in their bomb shelters until the bombing is over.


If Russia is telling the truth they did an inspection, there wasn't chemical weapons attack and it was all fake news by the rebels, it would be beneficial to everybody to allow UN inspectors in there ASAP. If Russia is correct, their credibility would go up and Western nations would look silly but it would save tax payers dollars. Those cruise missiles are around a million dollars each. If Russia keeps vetoing UN inspectors from doing the job, there's going to be a bombing.

[whynotme]

4/12/2018 (morning) For those who as BillyB are late in reading news 

1. The White House accused Syria and Russia in attacking Douma again. No factual evidence has been presented, but this is common thing. Can anyone buy photos made that way as an evidence. 

2. The RF Ministry of Defense stated again that there was no any evidence of chemical attack found in Douma.
3. Britain changed her mind again. May said that she would join the attack of Syria without the Parliament approval. According to the British press, submarines with cruise missiles were sent to Syria. It's not entirely clear what submarines GB still has for that mission...
4. The Russian Foreign Ministry welcomes the sending of the OPCW mission to Syria. Groups of experts can arrive to Douma at the end of the week. If experts begin their work, the war probability will decrease, so the period before their arrival is optimal for a strike in order to disrupt the investigation.
5. Bolivia called for the meeting of the UN Security Council on the escalation in Syria on April 12.
6. At the end of the day on April 11, the United States had not yet made a final decision. According to the White House, Trump continues to choose from the proposed options.

If the West is really interested in truth, then they have to wait for the results. If they don't care about the truth, they'll do everything to unleash the third world war on the basis of fake shooting of White Helmets (by the way, the WW1 also began from insignificant reasons).

By the way, the OPCW mission is an excellent reason for the Americans to save the face. The commission will confirm the falseness of the news about the chemical attack, and there will be no reason for the war. Americans will tell that they could have piled on the Russians, and the Russians will say that the Americans were just lucky to escape.

[BillyB]

4. The Russian Foreign Ministry welcomes the sending of the OPCW mission to Syria. Groups of experts can arrive to Douma at the end of the week. If experts begin their work, the war probability will decrease, so the period before their arrival is optimal for a strike in order to disrupt the investigation.

Ah yes, the wonderful OPCW will help out. They won the 2013 Nobel Peace Prize for overseeing Russia's remove all chemical weapons out of Syria. I'm sure they will take Russia up on that invitation and do more great work. What are the conditions? Because it's at Russia's invitation, they probably can't release their findings without Russia's approval. Why does Russia veto UN inspectors from going to the site of the chemical weapons attack? the more inspectors, the better to prove Russia was right in their claim no attack happened. Does the Russia media have any photos or videos showing Russia's inspectors were at the site doing inspections? I don't think so. There's no photos or video evidence they even did the inspection yet they claim they did.

[whynotme]

Some wonderful from the Fox News. Estimate the depth of the Looking Glass. A year ago, the Americans were sure that the zarin in Syria was used by Assad's troops, but recently the US Secretary of Defense admitted that there was no evidence... BillyB, any comments? 

http://youtu.be/nDf-OuK2gKw

[msmob]

Good morning, whynotme!

Some of your sources seem to be somewhat questionable.

Your point 2/  The Royal Navy has submarines capable of firing terrain following missiles.

The UN published a report demonstrating that Syria military aircraft could be tracked from the base to bombing ...hence THAT base was targeted.

Whilst I simply do not agree with the Kremlin policy of propping up ASSad, esp. as the UK / US are silent about the use of western weapons by the Saudi's in Yemen, 'we' aren't 'boots on the ground.'

Syria will be attacked, rather than money being used to look after the refugees resulting in non implementation of a no fly zone and the world is now less safe for Russian tourists ((

I blame the spineless UK politicians who voted against Cameron's proposal to impose the no fly zone, which resulted in Obama not wishing to go it alone.

[alex330]

I don't believe those obscure articles.

http://www.letmegooglethat.com/?q=putin+netanyahu

[fathertime]

http://www.letmegooglethat.com/?q=putin+netanyahu

hehe that was a cool link!

I don't doubt the two of them spoke on the phone....but the word you used was "Begged".  I'd believe the articles  saying "urged, warns, asks"....Articles using the characterization "begged" are the ones I don't believe. 

Fathertime! 

[alex330]

I don't doubt the two of them spoke on the phone....but the word you used was "Begged".  I'd believe the articles  saying "urged, warns, asks"....Articles using the characterization "begged" are the ones I don't believe. 

Of course he did not literally beg man 


Putin definitely is trying to keep Israel out of the fray though for obvious reasons.

[fathertime]

Of course he did not literally beg man 


Putin definitely is trying to keep Israel out of the fray though for obvious reasons.

If Israel is the one that acts they could face a serious repercussion, that Russia would prefer to not give.  Seems like a fair warning.   The stakes could become too high and Israel may be more aware of this after the phone call.   

Fathertime!   

[fathertime]

It is good to see China start to weigh in.  In terms of population represented, more people want an investigation to be conducted before a rash Trump showmanship like action to take place.      France claims they have proof, I'm pretty sure their proof will be disputed, but they should present it anyway, and let all interested parties inspect what they say they have. 


China Says U.S. Should Give Syria's Assad 'an Opportunity to Explain' Before Trump Attacks

China has urged the U.S. not to take military action against the forces of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, who some Western governments and their allies have accused of a chemical weapons attack that Beijing said remains inconclusive.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang told reporters his government was "regretful" after competing U.N. Security Council resolutions regarding the suspected toxic gas incident in the rebel-held Damascus suburb of Douma failed to pass. He said, however, "the pressing concern for now is to conduct a comprehensive, fair and objective investigation on the suspected chemical weapons attack in Syria to find out the truth."....

http://www.yahoo.com/news/china-says-u-syria-apos-220037020.html   


Fathertime! 

[2tallbill]

Russian state TV tells viewers to pack essentials for WW3 bomb shelters - including iodine to protect against radiation
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/state-run-russian-tv-tells-12349859

[2tallbill]

'Russia could wipe UK out' Expert warns of 'existential threat' if UK joins US in Syria
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/945023/World-War-3-news-Russia-UK-Britain-Syria-strikes-Donald-Trump-Vladimir-Putin

[alex330]

If Israel is the one that acts they could face a serious repercussion, that Russia would prefer to not give.  Seems like a fair warning.   The stakes could become too high and Israel may be more aware of this after the phone call.   

Israel called for a military strike and was quite firm on Iran's presence in Syria AFTER the call with Putin.

[BillyB]

A year ago, the Americans were sure that the zarin in Syria was used by Assad's troops, but recently the US Secretary of Defense admitted that there was no evidence... BillyB, any comments? 

Secretary of Defense didn't say that. Last years attack WAS investigated by the UN and they discovered Soviet era bombs were dropped from Syrian jets. Russia doesn't want those inspectors back again so they veto.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/world/middleeast/syria-chemical-weapons.html

China Says U.S. Should Give Syria's Assad 'an Opportunity to Explain' Before Trump Attacks

China must've not gotten the memo. Russia already explained there was no attack after their independent investigation. They went into a hostile area where people want to shoot them and slit their throats and conducted an investigation. They checked the medical conditions of hundreds of people who want to kill them for traces of chemicals and found nobody was a victim of chemical weapons.

[DaveNY]

Russian state TV tells viewers to pack essentials for WW3 bomb shelters - including iodine to protect against radiation
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/state-run-russian-tv-tells-12349859

If we're going to start shooting nukes at each other I'm not going to be hiding out in a bomb shelter. Wifey and I were talking about it and we've decided we don't want to live in a post apocalyptic nightmare world with roving gangs of radiated mutants and zombies so if the nukes fall on NYC we're going out to greet the incoming nukes with open arms.

[2tallbill]

Are we heading for World War 3 and who would win? From Russia and US tensions over Syria to North Korea’s nuclear tests
http://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2070034/ww3-world-war-three-russia-usa-north-korea-who-would-win/