My story of Russian women with pics

[HoundDaddyLee]

In this thread we have the sighting of TIGER PAWS and VAUGHN, two members of RWD's unofficial Hall of Fame. 

I point this out because few here will recognize the two of you, and certainly don't know of your long, loving and continuing marriages to incredible FSU wives.   

Thanks guys for revisiting us after such a long absence. 

Dragonkid, many of us here have been around the block. You have had some success, yet you have just begun the journey.  I suggest you evaluate the advice you receive her and not dismiss it simply because it does not fit your model.  YOU ARE NOT AS PRECOCIOUS AS YOU MAY THINK.  In other words, you are far from infallible, and this journey is replete with pitfalls.

Gator,


We are just "old men" to people like DragonKid. He thinks he knows all. In another thread, I told him that I thought I knew everything in my 20's and only after living another 30 years did I realize that I didn't know crap. He will not listen. I think we are only trying to help, but his world view is the only view. 


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[dragonkid]

In this thread we have the sighting of TIGER PAWS and VAUGHN, two members of RWD's unofficial Hall of Fame. 

I point this out because few here will recognize the two of you, and certainly don't know of your long, loving and continuing marriages to incredible FSU wives.   

Thanks guys for revisiting us after such a long absence. 

Dragonkid, many of us here have been around the block. You have had some success, yet you have just begun the journey.  I suggest you evaluate the advice you receive her and not dismiss it simply because it does not fit your model.  YOU ARE NOT AS PRECOCIOUS AS YOU MAY THINK.  In other words, you are far from infallible, and this journey is replete with pitfalls.

 i chatted to tiger paws, he told me to know what you want, and don't settle. Your own limits are the limits you set, and the approach you take. I arranged meetups with most beautiful women you could imagine, that would travel across russia to see me. I dated a beautiful woman, who was from a great family, had family values, saved herself till she was 23. I have other women, but they don't fit what i am looking for, they like going out clubbing for example.

You,me or nobody knows what the future has in store for me. So having a mentality that i will no longer meet amazing women is ridiculous. All i need to do is improve my worth, financially, physically. I am taking all the steps required, learning russian, which women love about me now, and in the future will take the time out to go to the caucasus region to find someone i want when i am ready. I will network with people there and find myself not only a beautiful girl, but also someone that i will feel proud to call my wife. This is a marathon, not a sprint, i am willing to wait.

Most of the "advice" here is just others trying to put me down because they can't do what i am doing,people trying to put me down for the expectations i have for my future partner. Tiger paws gave me advice, and others here, i can tell the difference between advice and hate. You just given me advice, and i know i will make mistakes along the way, i made a massive one at the start. But like my ex said, you live and learn.

[Gator]

You just given me advice, and i know i will make mistakes along the way, i made a massive one at the start. But like my ex said, you live and learn.

Yes, life goes on.  You are smarter now, so you will improve. 

My Russian wife remarked one time about a bad day I was having.  To cheer me up, she said, "You did not lose your cow."  I guess that is a provincial if not village saying in Russia. 

[Shadow]

Dragonkid I have no doubt you will reach your goal. Just along the way you may have to learn that some things need  to be adjusted.
First thing is your requirement of an inexpetienced woman. You can still find them in the FSU, but they are pretty rare (not wnough to supply ISIS  ). Woman who are inexperienced will either be young, which means you do not have a lot of time for your first mistake, or may be deeply religious, which I do not believe will match you very well.
You have a lot going for you, you are young, have all the time in the world are not too dumb and come from a good family. On the down side, you think you know it all and anyone giving advise that counters your ideas is putting you down.

Remember that all of the old guys here were young once. And some, like me, interact with people your age and younger on a daily basis, meaning a lot is recognized. Yo certainly do not need to follow all that is said, nor to throw out your ideas of how ti make it work. But pick and choose, and especially read the comments that ruffle your feathers. Understand that you need to be able to counter such comments with logic, if not in public then at least in private. If you can not, it may contain wisdom you should keep in mind, even if you do not like it.

[jone]

+1

I've had a chance to chat with DK since he's been on the forum.  He has come a long way since that first post.

[jone]

Yes, life goes on.  You are smarter now, so you will improve. 

My Russian wife remarked one time about a bad day I was having.  To cheer me up, she said, "You did not lose your cow."  I guess that is a provincial if not village saying in Russia.

I was in line in a Russian airport and we were waiting to board.  A guy came pushing through, thinking that he should not have to wait.  I commented to the guy next to me how rude it is.  The guy, an old timer, looks up and mutters in Russian, "at least we were not waiting for bread".

[TigerPaws]

In this thread we have the sighting of TIGER PAWS and VAUGHN, two members of RWD's unofficial Hall of Fame. 

I point this out because few here will recognize the two of you, and certainly don't know of your long, loving and continuing marriages to incredible FSU wives.   

Thanks guys for revisiting us after such a long absence. 

Dragonkid, many of us here have been around the block. You have had some success, yet you have just begun the journey.  I suggest you evaluate the advice you receive her and not dismiss it simply because it does not fit your model.  YOU ARE NOT AS PRECOCIOUS AS YOU MAY THINK.  In other words, you are far from infallible, and this journey is replete with pitfalls.

Be careful everyone Gator is as old as dirt...

How are you doing old friend?

[TigerPaws]

i chatted to tiger paws, he told me to know what you want, and don't settle. Your own limits are the limits you set, and the approach you take. I arranged meetups with most beautiful women you could imagine, that would travel across russia to see me. I dated a beautiful woman, who was from a great family, had family values, saved herself till she was 23. I have other women, but they don't fit what i am looking for, they like going out clubbing for example.

Dragon, knowing what you want in a Lady is often different than understanding what you REALLY want. I made many mistakes along my way to finding and meeting a wonderful lady. But understand that the early years (yes years) were difficult with many, many challenges unique to women from the FSU. It is east to say things are different today than 20 years ago when I first stared my search. They are not! Any Lady from the FSU is going to need a great deal of your attention and time, pretty much ALL of your time because you are going to be all she has in her new home with you. She left her support group of family, friends and familiar surroundings behind for whatever her reasons were to be with you.

She gave up everything she knew to be with me, I gave up all of the things I had spent a lifetime doing to be with her. No more hunting trips, no more fishing no more working half the night on my aircraft and no more evenings with my friends. Marriage is about you and your Lady being the very best of friends, Lovers and eventually the mother to your children. If in the early years you make her the center of your world and if you have chosen wisely then you will be the center of her world. It is all about building a bond between the two of you. It is not easy but it is a worthwhile endeavor.

You,me or nobody knows what the future has in store for me. So having a mentality that i will no longer meet amazing women is ridiculous. All i need to do is improve my worth, financially, physically. I am taking all the steps required, learning russian, which women love about me now, and in the future will take the time out to go to the caucasus region to find someone i want when i am ready. I will network with people there and find myself not only a beautiful girl, but also someone that i will feel proud to call my wife. This is a marathon, not a sprint, i am willing to wait.

Most of the "advice" here is just others trying to put me down because they can't do what i am doing,people trying to put me down for the expectations i have for my future partner. Tiger paws gave me advice, and others here, i can tell the difference between advice and hate. You just given me advice, and i know i will make mistakes along the way, i made a massive one at the start. But like my ex said, you live and learn.

Yes you live and learn (hopefully) and it is time to take what you have learned the hard way and move forward, as I have told you get rid of everything physically associated with your ex (all images, social media everything), it will come back to haunt you. RW/UW are notoriously jealous and most are to one degree or another insecure about their appearance, intelligence and in any relationship. Building these things within her take years and years of effort on your part do not start out with one hand tied behind you back.

[Trenchcoat]

Dragonkid I have no doubt you will reach your goal. Just along the way you may have to learn that some things need  to be adjusted.
First thing is your requirement of an inexperienced woman. You can still find them in the FSU, but they are pretty rare (not enough to supply ISIS  ). Woman who are inexperienced will either be young, which means you do not have a lot of time for your first mistake, or may be deeply religious, which I do not believe will match you very well.
You have a lot going for you, you are young, have all the time in the world are not too dumb and come from a good family. On the down side, you think you know it all and anyone giving advise that counters your ideas is putting you down.

I've heard many people in Ukraine/Russia are now religious (orthodox Christianity) compared to Soviet times where most were atheist. However, that those that are religious only a few are deeply so, the girl I met with attends but is not deeply so, or if she is she is not being forthcoming with it. However, as you've no doubt seen from my other post she seems to be quite inexperienced despite being attractive and nice personality. I think there are many women that are inexperienced in Russia/Ukraine from what I have seen online. I think DK is just looking in the wrong places, he tends to head for places where the more racy girls go, nightclubs, bars and sites that are less reputable in the women they have on there, I've checked out Russian Cupid and while they may be 'good girls' on there I think a lot of bad girls tend to frequent that site, you tend to get what you pay for, I've suggested EM to him, but I don't know if he's used it yet, more money but more quality women I think (sure you'll get the odd one or two but generally most seem decent).

Anyway, I think that's about it DK needs to realize that how he acts will attracted a certain woman, like talking about sexual positions, sex, etc and of course where he goes - his personality comes across strong even on here in writing so I thin in real life the signals he gives on interacting could attract the more bad girl type. He should look for interests the girl has as well, theatre, opera, orchestra all denote that a girl may be/more likely to be a good girl, that I think is what he should look for.

[Gator]

Be careful everyone Gator is as old as dirt...

How are you doing old friend?

Fine as wine, thanks.  Wifey keeps me busy. 

[TigerPaws]

"I think DK is just looking in the wrong places, he tends to head for places where the more racy girls go, nightclubs, bars and sites that are less reputable in the women they have on there"

100% agree

[dragonkid]

he tends to head for places where the more racy girls go, nightclubs, bars and sites that are less reputable in the women they have on there, I've checked out Russian Cupid and while they may be 'good girls' on there I think a lot of bad girls tend to frequent that site, you tend to get what you pay for, I've suggested EM to him, but I don't know if he's used it yet, more money but more quality women I think (sure you'll get the odd one or two but generally most seem decent).

I seen EM, lots of the women there i recognise from fdating/russiancupid/ukrainedate, i am even on mamba. i just need to get away from the online dating scene, go to russia and meet these women in person. Network very well with people, if i bring enough worth to the table, i can find what i am looking for in person very easy. The other option is to wait for a miracle to happen online like meet a girl like my ex, but i rather make things happen. I don't believe online dating will find me the girl i want, specifically a girl who never been with another guy, chances are very slim. 8% of girls are virgins at 23 i believe in russia.

There is one girl i know who is 18 and by the sounds of it has no relationship experience, but she is too young for me. She is the only girl that wants me to come to her, rather the other way round.

[dragonkid]

I was in line in a Russian airport and we were waiting to board.  A guy came pushing through, thinking that he should not have to wait.  I commented to the guy next to me how rude it is.  The guy, an old timer, looks up and mutters in Russian, "at least we were not waiting for bread".

I got this a lot when i first arrived in Russia, bad first impression. Later i was told this is how Russians are, time is a valuable commodity, even if it means coming off disrespectful.

[TigerPaws]

I seen EM, lots of the women there i recognise from fdating/russiancupid/ukrainedate, i am even on mamba. i just need to get away from the online dating scene, go to russia and meet these women in person. Network very well with people, if i bring enough worth to the table, i can find what i am looking for in person very easy. The other option is to wait for a miracle to happen online like meet a girl like my ex, but i rather make things happen. I don't believe online dating will find me the girl i want, specifically a girl who never been with another guy, chances are very slim. 8% of girls are virgins at 23 i believe in russia.

There is one girl i know who is 18 and by the sounds of it has no relationship experience, but she is too young for me. She is the only girl that wants me to come to her, rather the other way round.

Go, spend as much time as you are able, enjoy, experience and learn. Set your sights high but keep your feet on the ground. Be open to the possibilities and do not be too rigid in your wants, needs and desires.

Virgins are not what you expect and unless they are hyper religious you may not find what you think that you want. Remember be careful what you wish for, you might get it.

[dragonkid]

Go, spend as much time as you are able, enjoy, experience and learn. Set your sights high but keep your feet on the ground. Be open to the possibilities and do not be too rigid in your wants, needs and desires.

Virgins are not what you expect and unless they are hyper religious you may not find what you think that you want. Remember be careful what you wish for, you might get it.

My dad found my mum when she was 30. he is the only guy she has been with, my dad was in very bad health, he had a few operations, he was in debt living in a crappy flat, no money, bald, pot belly, he was muslim she was a catholic. Their story really blows away the whole concept of "what do you bring to the table". She drilled into me that a girl that doesn't save herself is not worth marrying. I always thought that meeting a virgin was impossible, that they didn't exist, a few times in my life i tried to make it my mission to find them, heck i even went to church and dated a few religious girls. I convinced myself that it wasn't logical to date a virgin as my search to find one was a failure, till i met my ex. I saw a lot in my ex that i saw in my mother. Both of them are not affectionate at first, they won't grab your arm and hold you close, but like you to cuddle them, hold strong beliefs, strong minded,family orientated, no drinking or smoking, confident within themselves, and are simple people who don't put a lot of emphasis on money.



This is a pic of her when i was 6 months old




This is something i always wanted, i am willing to play around with looks, but the virginity thing for me is very important. I don't want to make excuses anymore, looks is something i can compromise with. I am going to russia in july, i haven't started my search for a wife yet, at the moment i am going to have fun, and just get to know fsu women a bit more.

[Trenchcoat]

That's quite a story DK thank you for sharing as it shows in situations where you think its hopeless for some people good news comes and perhaps as is often observed love can be random. While I appreciate that we tend to take on board the values of are parents, at least some of them, and it is hard to move away from particularly from someone close to you I think this story perhaps also demonstrated to treat someone you meet as a person. The virginity thing may be a strong factor for you but would you really turn away someone you love because of it, like your mother could have turned down your father for his baldness (and some women do) weight, lack of money/perceivable prospects. A good girl may be important for you but is it really possible to aim the dart of love that accurately, you are attracted to who you are attracted to at the end of the day regardless of whether they are a virgin or not. So, what I am saying is while your mother wants the best for you and the qualities of a girl being a virgin being admirable, sometimes we have to accept something we would rather not with someone as we love them as a person. What for example if a girl told you she was a virgin and later found out she lied, would you no longer love her/be attracted to her. Possibly a girl that is a virgin may not be the best fit for you.

That and you met a virgin girl in Russia and you chose to treat her badly and cause her upset, so it didn't work out then when you did meet one. Plus if you cause others upset then perhaps you are just getting the same karma back at you by not being able to find someone. 

[dragonkid]

That and you met a virgin girl in Russia and you chose to treat her badly and cause her upset, so it didn't work out then when you did meet one. Plus if you cause others upset then perhaps you are just getting the same karma back at you by not being able to find someone.

I know what you mean, that is why i want to do certain things differently next time round. I won't live with the person till marriage. When i network with families i will make my intentions clear,and what i want. i will like to spend some time talking in a public place with a person supervising us, get a feel for the person. If i like them and they like me, go to a Dr, get her checked, and probably a lie detector test when she comes to the UK. It is extreme, but i am sure they will understand.

There isn't much logic in marrying a virgin, but i am not doing it because of the logic. It is the spiritual connection. as well as the effort and resilience that a woman puts herself through to save herself for the right person. I am not preaching that you can't find true love unless you marry a virgin, it is just something i want.

[GuppyCaptain]

You're going to walk her to a doctor to "get her checked" and then make her take a lie detector test? You think she'll understand, huh? 

[GuppyCaptain]

Did you just really write that?! 

[dragonkid]

Did you just really write that?! 

I need proof, if i am going to marry someone i need to be 100% sure i am the only man. I think a lie detector is the only way, hymen breaks for numerous reasons. If i bring value to the table, show them i am sincere, serious, and committed. I can convince them to do anything, all that matters is making them want the marriage more than you.

[GuppyCaptain]

I need proof, if i am going to marry someone i need to be 100% sure i am the only man. I think a lie detector is the only way, hymen breaks for numerous reasons. If i bring value to the table, show them i am sincere, serious, and committed. I can convince them to do anything, all that matters is making them want the marriage more than you.

I think I'm even more shocked by this than Bee Farmer's insistence that divorced women and men can never be trusted and don't make good marriage material. Let us know how asking a woman to take a lie detector test to prove her virginity goes. My guess is that you're going to be single for a looooooooong time.

Did you ever ponder the fact that you might have a mental illness?

[Anotherkiwi]

There isn't much logic in marrying a virgin, but i am not doing it because of the logic. It is the spiritual connection. as well as the effort and resilience that a woman puts herself through to save herself for the right person. I am not preaching that you can't find true love unless you marry a virgin, it is just something i want.

So how are you going to reconcile her behaviour and beliefs with yours?  How do you think that your potential virgin wife will react when you tell her that you've been with a hundred different women before her?  Why set such high standards for her when you couldn't maintain them for yourself?

[dragonkid]

So how are you going to reconcile her behaviour and beliefs with yours?  How do you think that your potential virgin wife will react when you tell her that you've been with a hundred different women before her?  Why set such high standards for her when you couldn't maintain them for yourself?

Answer.... my dad was exactly how you described, and lots of female virgins don't mind that much. They may even like the experience i will bring.

Let us know how asking a woman to take a lie detector test to prove her virginity goes. My guess is that you're going to be single for a looooooooong time.

Did you ever ponder the fact that you might have a mental illness?

I am INTP, you don't know how to ask. If you understand leverage,timing, body language, what to say, how to act, you will be able to negotiate anything.  My dad is a perfect example, the guy can talk, people love him, they trust him. The other day i asked my parents their relationship, my dad said "your mum trusted me", all that matters is building that trust.

[supraman]

DK , Can i ask , what is this   " value i bring to the table "   ?? .

[BillyB]

The other day i asked my parents their relationship, my dad said "your mum trusted me", all that matters is building that trust.

A few posts ago you said you would not trust a woman before marriage who said she is a virgin and have her take a lie detector test and get checked out by a doctor. Most people can build trust with each other before marriage without a lie detector test. Got to get wiser to properly figure a person out and you won't need professionals for assistance.