Going to start looking for a wife (Ukraine/russia)

[dragonkid]

You could always try dominatrix if you want a girl to slap you down 😕lol.

Seriously though, what all these girls have in common is that they are dressed sluterly. Nice to the eye but if they dress like a slut odds on there a slut. Loads of guys will go for girls like this for that reason. Try going for girls dressed a little more conservatively, longer dresses, knee length or longer rather than up to the bum. Also avoid girls posing in their knickers, an obvious slut. After you get with a girl you can persuade them to wear something a little more racy. Elena's Models might be worth a shot, seem to have a fair number of respectable girls on there. I only came across one, maybe two girls on there in three months that might be deemed sluty. Some girls even state inthere profiles they arnt into sex tourism, lol as of course they arnt wishing to get mail from guys into that as they want a serious respectable relationship. What women wear in their pics is key though wherever you are I think.

hahaha, i knew this already, which is why i don't really want them other than just to have a good time whilst i am in russia. My russian female friend said she preferred my ex, more innocent looking, even my dad said the same thing about my ex. I just asked my russian friend if she can hook me up with some good russian girls, maybe she can help.

[dragonkid]

Okay, lesson #1 and I mean this seriously


Keep your preconceptions home when you are dealing with these babes. You should immerse yourself into some of their culture and you'll find that dressing like that has no bearing if a woman is a slut or not.



That, my friend, is the answer. NOW, it is your job to understand why the behavior. 




LMFAO


I didn't see any convents out there. I'm pretty sure there are a few but hidden, therefore, more difficult to find the women you suggest. 





Please stop, you are killing me. 




Egads, you do have a lot to learn.


In all seriousness, you better arm yourself with a bit of knowledge before you screw you chances with a good woman.


Just trying to help.

Just to add, the pictures i posted was after i got talking to the girls, i requested more pics and they sent me this. It does not really alarm me too much i guess, not sure why trench believes the women he is talking to are any better. Coming from a guy who spent $75 talking to a stripper who does djing, and poses in lingerie, has private videos, and is on most pay for letter sites. I am not looking for a nun, at the moment, i am just beaten up about my ex, it will be a long road till i find someone that can make me thankful that my previous relationship broke down, till then i might just go in july, have fun with these girls and see what happens.

[dragonkid]

Thanks to all the people that gave me advice here, sorry if i offended anyone,emotionally i am very turbulent at the moment. I am just going to take my time, get a few trips under my belt, listen to you successful more experienced guys on settling down. Focus on myself, this year will be a big year for me, i still got a lot of stuff i need to do in life with regards to my future. The longer i wait the better, i really appreciate all the help given to me by RWD.

I am going back to russia july, fly down to see my ex, take her out to dinner, see if i can patch it up, if not, fly back to st petersburg and chill for the remaining time with others in st petersburg and see what happens.

[GuppyCaptain]

^^^^ That's a great attitude to have, DK. I wish you luck and success.

[jone]

Thanks to all the people that gave me advice here, sorry if i offended anyone,emotionally i am very turbulent at the moment. I am just going to take my time, get a few trips under my belt, listen to you successful more experienced guys on settling down. Focus on myself, this year will be a big year for me, i still got a lot of stuff i need to do in life with regards to my future. The longer i wait the better, i really appreciate all the help given to me by RWD.

I am going back to russia july, fly down to see my ex, take her out to dinner, see if i can patch it up, if not, fly back to st petersburg and chill for the remaining time with others in st petersburg and see what happens.

Have some great recommendations for restaurants if you wind up hanging in Peter.

[ML]

Have some great recommendations for restaurants if you wind up hanging in Peter.

After I gave you recommendations for restaurants in SPb . . . and you ignored them all !!!!!!  :-)

[jone]

Hey, don't blame me.  Who wears the pants in your family?

We ate at all the places that she wanted to.

[BillyB]

listen to you successful more experienced guys

So you're going to go after women 20+ years younger like the rest of us? You're going to have to wait 12+ years for those ladies to become of legal age.

[ML]

 You're going to have to wait 12+ years for those ladies to become of legal age.

Elvis did it.

[SANDRO43]

Elvis did it.

This one didn't...hence the song title ?

[GoldGerard]

I don't usually post to forums but this topic piqued my interest. Starting with looking for a wife from Ukraine/Russia and ending up calling basically all women sluts. That's quite funny. What a woman wears in her pictures proves whether she is decent or not? I used to casually send guys a picture of me in really small shorts and a bikini top, taken on the beach, in my first letter, thinking nothing of it by the way. I just liked my face in the photo. Yes, we girls can be so naive. So, you are trying to figure out the girl's personality by her pics, she just looks at her photos and either likes them or not. Russia has a very short summer and girls are trying to wear some really summery clothes while it's warm; they have to wear heavy fur coats and hats for about 6 months of the year and only have 3-4 hot weeks of an actual summer. Did you think of that? I bet not. Try the VIP coaching program for men dating Russian and Ukrainian women on Elenasmodels.com, this will be an eye opener for sure.

[dragonkid]

I don't usually post to forums but this topic piqued my interest. Starting with looking for a wife from Ukraine/Russia and ending up calling basically all women sluts. That's quite funny. What a woman wears in her pictures proves whether she is decent or not? I used to casually send guys a picture of me in really small shorts and a bikini top, taken on the beach, in my first letter, thinking nothing of it by the way. I just liked my face in the photo. Yes, we girls can be so naive. So, you are trying to figure out the girl's personality by her pics, she just looks at her photos and either likes them or not. Russia has a very short summer and girls are trying to wear some really summery clothes while it's warm; they have to wear heavy fur coats and hats for about 6 months of the year and only have 3-4 hot weeks of an actual summer. Did you think of that? I bet not. Try the VIP coaching program for men dating Russian and Ukrainian women on Elenasmodels.com, this will be an eye opener for sure.

I really don't care, just my female friend in russia made the observation that she preferred my ex as she was more innocent looking. I agree, judging someone based on photos is stupid. I met a modest girl so ideally i would like the next girl i meet to be modest and sexy and the same time, long tight dresses for example. My ex loved herself a lot, she knew how beautiful she was, but was very conservative, to the point where she told me a story of a girl in her city who slept with a total of 3 guys, then the girls brother killed her, my ex thought this was fine. She was very crazy  but i loved it, my mother is the same way. Now that i met my ex i would ideal like same type of woman, modest girl, who is sexy, but does not flaunt it, don't mind if she is not a virgin.

This does not stop me dating girls that like to flaunt their beauty, just what i prefer, just like you have preferences. I won't judge, or close doors, all doors are open, i am in no rush, worse comes to worse i will just have a good time with these women. Nothing lost, just experiences gained, and new insight.

[Trenchcoat]

I don't usually post to forums but this topic piqued my interest. Starting with looking for a wife from Ukraine/Russia and ending up calling basically all women sluts. That's quite funny. What a woman wears in her pictures proves whether she is decent or not? I used to casually send guys a picture of me in really small shorts and a bikini top, taken on the beach, in my first letter, thinking nothing of it by the way. I just liked my face in the photo. Yes, we girls can be so naive. So, you are trying to figure out the girl's personality by her pics, she just looks at her photos and either likes them or not. Russia has a very short summer and girls are trying to wear some really summery clothes while it's warm; they have to wear heavy fur coats and hats for about 6 months of the year and only have 3-4 hot weeks of an actual summer. Did you think of that? I bet not. Try the VIP coaching program for men dating Russian and Ukrainian women on Elenasmodels.com, this will be an eye opener for sure.

The coaching program on EM is ok, yeah curiosity got the better of me along with the want of not fouling up. Its steep at the price of around $300 (£200 ish) some of the advice can perhaps be found elsewhere, on here or is generally floating around/common sense. There are some helpful points on their, have not been through it all blow by blow yet. Some of the advice however, I feel is more general and its really dependent on the girl you are seeing as to whether its helpful. For example a girl from outside of Kiev where living conditions/wealth is often a lot less may have a different outlook/expectations of a man than a girl that lives in Kiev and from a wealthy family (in their country of course). So imagine scenario of going in with a load of bling might impress city girl whereas girl outside city may be unconcerned or even put off by it. The coaching program in my opinion seems to regard all girls as the same.

In any case, yeah for sure clothing tends to define the girl, I'm not saying any sexy clothing here, yeah of course girls want to wear sexy clothing and that's good/ most preferred. However, what does a hooker look like? - theirs a difference between smart (refined) sexy and trashy rough looking sexy. A short dress is not necessarily a problem if it is smart and for occasion. If its all/most of the time wear during summer or online pics then a thought should be raised in the conscious - she might be ok but she might be anyone's - and that is what dragon kid's findings on here seem to back up as evidence, so why keep doing thew same thing, making the same mistake going for these girls.     

[Trenchcoat]

I really don't care, just my female friend in russia made the observation that she preferred my ex as she was more innocent looking. I agree, judging someone based on photos is stupid. I met a modest girl so ideally i would like the next girl i meet to be modest and sexy and the same time, long tight dresses for example. My ex loved herself a lot, she knew how beautiful she was, but was very conservative, to the point where she told me a story of a girl in her city who slept with a total of 3 guys, then the girls brother killed her, my ex thought this was fine. She was very crazy  but i loved it, my mother is the same way. Now that i met my ex i would ideal like same type of woman, modest girl, who is sexy, but does not flaunt it, don't mind if she is not a virgin.

This does not stop me dating girls that like to flaunt their beauty, just what i prefer, just like you have preferences. I won't judge, or close doors, all doors are open, i am in no rush, worse comes to worse i will just have a good time with these women. Nothing lost, just experiences gained, and new insight.

Hence it sounds like you are going for the wrong type of girl now, the girl I've just recently met up with sounds more the type you are after, no, you can't have her, lol  Ok, there was issue on affection but a girl that gives it readily to one could quite so easily give it readily to another, then another and so on. I personally think you may be on the wrong website for what you are after. Sure if you are after a bit of fun first then go out there and meet up with a load of these girls, AFA tours, nightclubs, etc - but don't look on them as reliable, genuine or anything long term, they are not that type of girl, they just want fun not a committed relationship. I think you'll find if you go on Elena's Models (you can register for free and browse a bit before subscription) you'll find a lot more women, even around your age that are on there for a committed relationship and most will be conservative (odd one or two you always get that aren't). They are there because they are serious about finding a committed relationship rather than a quick fling for fun. The two types of girl are different a girl who wants a fling then a committed relationship is a hard find if it is even possible, why stop at a fling with you, why not then go on and try another guy, that is their outlook. Week after you fly out there she could be hooking up with another geezer who'll shower her with gifts, wine and dine, take out and shag - is that what you want? That's my thoughts anyway.

Also, looking at your profile on the dating website your on, I think what you do for a living is too much of a talking point for the girl, as your earlier post demonstrates. It just sounds odd- how can you just leave a business to run itself for a few weeks - most go downhill fast and is a no-go without a business partner/employee to deal with the off time. Then that is complicated by the tutor aspect whatever that is. A girl wants to know you have a field of (reasonably steady) work that's all, it doesn't have to be glamorous, decent girls are more interested in you not your job so in some ways less glamorous jobs are better as you avoid the gold-diggers which you don't want. You want the topic of conversation to be on You not your job or queries off. I would go with just the one most prominent job that you have and leave out the rest, its a long term side issue and not relevant, you don't have to explain yourself employment situation to the girl as a major topic. Employment somewhere is can be better to get head around than self-employed that can mean anything - good/bad income, reliable/unreliable income, tied to business/time allowing, another name for unemployed? the girl will not know and the more emphasis/talk on it the more she may think you are bs ing her. Again just my thoughts.

[dragonkid]

Hence it sounds like you are going for the wrong type of girl now, the girl I've just recently met up with sounds more the type you are after, no, you can't have her, lol  Ok, there was issue on affection but a girl that gives it readily to one could quite so easily give it readily to another, then another and so on. I personally think you may be on the wrong website for what you are after. Sure if you are after a bit of fun first then go out there and meet up with a load of these girls, AFA tours, nightclubs, etc - but don't look on them as reliable, genuine or anything long term, they are not that type of girl, they just want fun not a committed relationship. I think you'll find if you go on Elena's Models (you can register for free and browse a bit before subscription) you'll find a lot more women, even around your age that are on there for a committed relationship and most will be conservative (odd one or two you always get that aren't). They are there because they are serious about finding a committed relationship rather than a quick fling for fun. The two types of girl are different a girl who wants a fling then a committed relationship is a hard find if it is even possible, why stop at a fling with you, why not then go on and try another guy, that is their outlook. Week after you fly out there she could be hooking up with another geezer who'll shower her with gifts, wine and dine, take out and shag - is that what you want? That's my thoughts anyway.

Also, looking at your profile on the dating website your on, I think what you do for a living is too much of a talking point for the girl, as your earlier post demonstrates. It just sounds odd- how can you just leave a business to run itself for a few weeks - most go downhill fast and is a no-go without a business partner/employee to deal with the off time. Then that is complicated by the tutor aspect whatever that is. A girl wants to know you have a field of (reasonably steady) work that's all, it doesn't have to be glamorous, decent girls are more interested in you not your job so in some ways less glamorous jobs are better as you avoid the gold-diggers which you don't want. You want the topic of conversation to be on You not your job or queries off. I would go with just the one most prominent job that you have and leave out the rest, its a long term side issue and not relevant, you don't have to explain yourself employment situation to the girl as a major topic. Employment somewhere is can be better to get head around than self-employed that can mean anything - good/bad income, reliable/unreliable income, tied to business/time allowing, another name for unemployed? the girl will not know and the more emphasis/talk on it the more she may think you are bs ing her. Again just my thoughts.

I get asked a lot about what i do, prior to me adding it on my profile. Some don't ask me anything, we just chat. Does it say i own my house mortgage free on my profile? I know what to add, and what not to add. I could put up i make 6 figures a year if i wanted to (if you add real estate value gains).

It is common for women to worry about us younger guys financial stability, women openly tell me this. Others try and weed it out of you, asking your living situation, work, etc. I find it normal for a woman to worry about such issues, if i told these girls i had properties in london, then yes, i would understand. But they know nothing, just a guy that wants to keep his head down and make a better future for himself. Gold diggers don't touch me, because they have no reason to touch me, my profile says i teach and have a business hardly bill gates.

[dragonkid]

anyways i am just going to get some meetups under my belt, i really don't care what happens. I actually prefer to settle down later on in my life, right now it would not be best, i want to do some things first, starting a family and get married will probably get in the way. I hate to admit it, but mentally i am not ready, that doesn't mean i will stop trying, i will just takes my time, rather than force it to happen.

[SANDRO43]

Try the VIP coaching program for men dating Russian and Ukrainian women on Elenasmodels.com, this will be an eye opener for sure.

GoldGerard, the email address you provided says gold@elenasmodels.com. Do you work for that organisation?

[GatoMoon]

Try the VIP coaching program for men dating Russian and Ukrainian women on Elenasmodels.com, this will be an eye opener for sure.

I will join the VIP Coaching program as soon as I've successfully completed my Flying Pig Training Program.

[msmobyone]

I don't usually post to forums but this topic piqued my interest. Starting with looking for a wife from Ukraine/Russia and ending up calling basically all women sluts. That's quite funny. What a woman wears in her pictures proves whether she is decent or not? I used to casually send guys a picture of me in really small shorts and a bikini top, taken on the beach, in my first letter, thinking nothing of it by the way. I just liked my face in the photo. Yes, we girls can be so naive. So, you are trying to figure out the girl's personality by her pics, she just looks at her photos and either likes them or not. Russia has a very short summer and girls are trying to wear some really summery clothes while it's warm; they have to wear heavy fur coats and hats for about 6 months of the year and only have 3-4 hot weeks of an actual summer. Did you think of that? I bet not. Try the VIP coaching program for men dating Russian and Ukrainian women on Elenasmodels.com, this will be an eye opener for sure.

If EVER I witnessed someone passing off 'advice' - while blatantly trying to push a 'service' - this is it

1/ Many serious guys can regard swimwear shots in profiles as a little premature

2/ I don't know about you, but even Siberian Summers can be hot for at least twice as long as you suggest  and in Sochi - It's May - October summer outfits - even today ...15C ... the lasses - were celebrating a Sunny Spring day

Perhaps, IF you hang around - you might learn about your target market.

Anyone paying for 'coaching' - if that is the sort of 'info' you are handing out - might want to be wary - sorry .....

[BillyB]

Starting with looking for a wife from Ukraine/Russia and ending up calling basically all women sluts. That's quite funny. What a woman wears in her pictures proves whether she is decent or not?

Welcome to the forum GoldGerard. I think you're on the wrong track to why women were called sluts. Dragonkid mentioned sluts due to how easily many FSU women are willing to stay/sleep with him in his apartment before a first meeting. What do you think about that?

[ML]

Dragonkid mentioned sluts due to how easily many FSU women are willing to stay/sleep with him in his apartment before a first meeting.

WOW, I thought I was up on this stuff . . . but now there is a method of sleeping with a person before a first meeting?

That would save a lot on expenses.

[jone]

WOW, I thought I was up on this stuff . . . but now there is a method of sleeping with a person before a first meeting?

That would save a lot on expenses.

No chance of STDs or pregnancy either.

[Trenchcoat]

I get asked a lot about what i do, prior to me adding it on my profile. Some don't ask me anything, we just chat. Does it say i own my house mortgage free on my profile? I know what to add, and what not to add. I could put up i make 6 figures a year if i wanted to (if you add real estate value gains).

It is common for women to worry about us younger guys financial stability, women openly tell me this. Others try and weed it out of you, asking your living situation, work, etc. I find it normal for a woman to worry about such issues, if i told these girls i had properties in london, then yes, i would understand. But they know nothing, just a guy that wants to keep his head down and make a better future for himself. Gold diggers don't touch me, because they have no reason to touch me, my profile says i teach and have a business hardly bill gates.

Your profile just says you live in a house - end of the day it doesn't matter if you own it, how much you have, how many figures, a girl won't ever really know until she is practically living with you in a committed relationship. Even if you were to go over to meet her or have her come over she won't necessarily know. Anyone can say anything or make out anything - of course it is always best  to be honest but she won't truly know if you are being honest until way down the track.

Anyone can say with a bit of swagger, did I say I earn a six figure salary, own my own mansion, Porsche, etc. - nightclubs are full of men that say this stuff, true or not, it does not matter IMO. Better to just keep it simply, one main job that you do that is easy to explain - say tutor, in whatever it is could be fine, whether you have a property empire is not necessarily a concern, an unnecessary complication perhaps. I spent only scant time explaining what I do to women I had messaged and if they were too probing/interest early on I moved on, it raises red flags in my mind. Most just wanted to know about me and have conversations on this that or the other - its not the UK girl scene, many women are not nearly materialistically minded in FSU so I would any focus on the material.

What I have learnt from my recent trip to the Ukraine is that even a guy in the UK on a modest salary in the Ukraine is very wealthy person. The Ukrainian currency has tanked it along with the economy, £2-4 can buy a meal for two with drinks - where the hell in the UK can you get a deal like that, lol. Many Ukrainians are dirt poor, but they seem happy in themselves and focus on enjoying life rather than awe of materialism. Sure there are the odd few exceptions to the rule and off course receiving money is no doubt always welcome but that's about it. It's a real eye opener going there so its great you are looking to getting a trip under your belt, I certainly learnt a lot from being out there. Many women I think that exist there that want a family, not country entry nor wealth and its these one that are best being sought out I think.

[jone]

Your profile just says you live in a house - end of the day it doesn't matter if you own it, how much you have, how many figures, a girl won't ever really know until she is practically living with you in a committed relationship. Even if you were to go over to meet her or have her come over she won't necessarily know. Anyone can say anything or make out anything - of course it is always best  to be honest but she won't truly know if you are being honest until way down the track.

Anyone can say with a bit of swagger, did I say I earn a six figure salary, own my own mansion, Porsche, etc. - nightclubs are full of men that say this stuff, true or not, it does not matter IMO. Better to just keep it simply, one main job that you do that is easy to explain - say tutor, in whatever it is could be fine, whether you have a property empire is not necessarily a concern, an unnecessary complication perhaps. I spent only scant time explaining what I do to women I had messaged and if they were too probing/interest early on I moved on, it raises red flags in my mind. Most just wanted to know about me and have conversations on this that or the other - its not the UK girl scene, many women are not nearly materialistically minded in FSU so I would any focus on the material.

What I have learnt from my recent trip to the Ukraine is that even a guy in the UK on a modest salary in the Ukraine is very wealthy person. The Ukrainian currency has tanked it along with the economy, £2-4 can buy a meal for two with drinks - where the hell in the UK can you get a deal like that, lol. Many Ukrainians are dirt poor, but they seem happy in themselves and focus on enjoying life rather than awe of materialism. Sure there are the odd few exceptions to the rule and off course receiving money is no doubt always welcome but that's about it. It's a real eye opener going there so its great you are looking to getting a trip under your belt, I certainly learnt a lot from being out there. Many women I think that exist there that want a family, not country entry nor wealth and its these one that are best being sought out I think.

Don't mean to rain on an otherwise excellent post, but 'The Ukraine' is a former Soviet Republic in the Soviet Union.  Ukraine is the name of a country.

[BillyB]

WOW, I thought I was up on this stuff . . . but now there is a method of sleeping with a person before a first meeting?

LOL. Here is the corrected version.  Dragonkid mentioned sluts due to how easily many FSU women are willing to stay/sleep with him in his apartment at the first meeting.