Is this for me?

[redking11]

I'm on the fence as to whether I should attempt to date and marry a woman of the FSU and would like suggestions. Here is my situation. I am a 42 yo doctor, I make $350,000 a year and have a 10yo daughter that I share joint custody with. I consider myself moderately attractive and in good but not great shape. I can and do date attractive women in their early and very late 20's without trouble, but I'm not a huge fan of American women, you can't hide that you make a little money and you can't help but feel they are looking for a lifestyle up grade. To be honest, I want a woman that isn't to high maintenance, one that doesn't want to spend a lot on shopping and live high on the hog off my dime. Just a good woman. But at the same time I do want to date a women in their mid 20's that are 9's but that want a real relationship and maybe 1 or 2 children.

Is this possible to find in the FSU or is it merely an incompatible fantasy? Really what are the chances of a 25 yo woman that looks like a model wanting to marry a 42yo and settle down to a normal life in the U.S if he isn't interested in taking her on a $1000 shopping spree every weekend? I mean if she wants a nice car to drive then no problem but I have no intentions of delaying my retirement for her. Does that make sense?

I just figure that if I can't find a younger more attractive wife with better values, then why struggle with the cultural and language barriers, These two things concern me quite a bit, not to mention I fear that a FSU spouse would feel very isolated and bored once she came over here. Any thoughts are welcomed.

Oh and what is this VK site I read about?

[dragonkid]

Why would a 25 who looks like a model be interested in a 42 year old? Unless you are making good money, which you will need to spend. Sounds like you been dating sugar babes, and want something slightly cheaper, well going to russia will be cheaper, but you will be tied down to a marriage, which if goes south, she will be entitled to that $350k a year you are makign during the course of the marriage, if she has kids with you, those assets you have will be also in the picture. Still feel up to it? Go on and do it, i just gave you the brutal truth, if you can accept it and want to proceed, then i wish you the best. You can probably make it work, you got the finances to hold down a Russian model, just don't be greedy, you will need to spend a bit to keep her with you.

Be warned, some of the guys on here might give you grief. But if you can accept the truth, spend a bit on her, then it may work. You are going to have a trophy wife, who will have expensive taste, key thing is if she will be as expensive as an AW, probably not.

[Larry1]

I'm on the fence as to whether I should attempt to date and marry a woman of the FSU and would like suggestions. Here is my situation. I am a 42 yo doctor, I make $350,000 a year and have a 10yo daughter that I share joint custody with. I consider myself moderately attractive and in good but not great shape. I can and do date attractive women in their early and very late 20's without trouble, but I'm not a huge fan of American women, you can't hide that you make a little money and you can't help but feel they are looking for a lifestyle up grade. To be honest, I want a woman that isn't to high maintenance, one that doesn't want to spend a lot on shopping and live high on the hog off my dime. Just a good woman. But at the same time I do want to date a women in their mid 20's that are 9's but that want a real relationship and maybe 1 or 2 children.

Is this possible to find in the FSU or is it merely an incompatible fantasy? Really what are the chances of a 25 yo woman that looks like a model wanting to marry a 42yo and settle down to a normal life in the U.S if he isn't interested in taking her on a $1000 shopping spree every weekend? I mean if she wants a nice car to drive then no problem but I have no intentions of delaying my retirement for her. Does that make sense?

I just figure that if I can't find a younger more attractive wife with better values, then why struggle with the cultural and language barriers, These two things concern me quite a bit, not to mention I fear that a FSU spouse would feel very isolated and bored once she came over here. Any thoughts are welcomed.

Oh and what is this VK site I read about?

My short answer is that you can find beautiful fsuw in their 20s to date.

Vk.com is a Russian version of Facebook.

Ok, now I will leave you to the piranhas here.

[ML]

Doc, you are the perfect candidate to find a 9-10, 25 year old in FSU to marry you and produce 2 children.

Money, education and moderate looks are the only requirements.

You are going to have a much better chance at success than the other fella that just  showed up here with a two year degree making $40-45,000 per year.

Not that you are a better person than he is; just your chances are going to be much greater.

And, it's possible to find a gal in FSU who will not spend money extravagantly, although this takes a little more time and sifting through a lot of women.

My FSU spouse has never felt bored or isolated here in USA after 5 years here.

Here is the place to get started:

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

[dragonkid]

You are going to have a much better chance at success than the other fella that just  showed up here with a two year degree making $40-45,000 per year.

OP wants a russian model who is a 9, 17 years younger than him, probably no kids. A lot different from the other guy, where the woman is more interested in him, compared to the women OP will be going for. Key thing will be OP will need to spend a bit on his wife, not all Russian models are like that, but OP lacks the physical attraction, so he will need to make it up by spending on the woman (OP please don't get confused with being rich and greedy, to being rich and big spender)

[redking11]

I come from a traditional working and rural family we work hard and we save, we don't buy name brand designer clothes because it quite honestly is a waste of money. I'm frugal, I like seeing my portfolio grow, I put extra aside every month for retirement and pay extra on my mortgage. It's not like I won't spend any money on her, heck any decent guy likes to treat his woman, and  Let's be honest, any woman, American or otherwise that doesn't have her own job costs money to keep. She'll have a nice house, nice clothes a nice car but do I want to buy her $1000 in clothes every week? No. Mid level BMW, lexus caddy? not a problem. ferrari = problem.  So I guess a better and more direct question to ask is what kind of money is it going to take to keep a girl 15 year younger than me around and happy and is there a chance of actual emotional attachment even if not immediately? I don't want to be dumped once she has a kid and no longer needs me to stay in the country.

Are FSU women really at all domestic? Do they want children?

[alex330]

Yes, many FSUW are family oriented and will want children in that age range.


You should have no issues finding one, just be careful of those looking for your wallet since you are in a higher income bracket.


My wife has a 25 year old Ukrainian gf living here in the US looking for a doctor. Her last boyfriend was one and he was 45 years old. Probably not a good match for you personally as she wants the Ferrari, but just an example.

[Boethius]

Her last boyfriend was one and he was 45 years old. Probably not a good match for you personally as she wants the Ferrari, but just an example.

She is the antithesis of what he is looking for.


Look.  Realistically, if you are looking for a beautiful woman two decades younger, what are you offering her in exchange for her youth and beauty?   

[redking11]

Not extravagance, but a life-long upper income lifestyle and the knowledge that her children will have vastly more opportunity than they would if she stayed in the Ukraine? Is that not enough? 

[dragonkid]

OP i will save you a lot of money on an expensive divorce, you are making good money , got a nice house etc. But that doesn't matter, you are not willing to spend, she may think she can change you, you may have arguments about spending money, and she will get fed up, have a kid with you, and walk away with your money, and spend it with a guy she has attraction to, and is a baller.

Don't talk about your wallet, it is pointless, you are not a spender. I thought you were type of guy to buy your woman a Ferrari, Rolex's, and designers. You want a model, but can't exchange goods like money or attraction for it. If you won't spend, forget about a model, you ain't going to get one. I am talking to 3 women now who are legit models, i had to rework my profile, write some essay to connect  on a deep level, plus being their age helped my chance. If you want to compete with me, or guys physically better than me, you will need to SPEND, flashing your wallet will just get you in a divorce long term, unless you are willing to spend.

a life-long upper income lifestyle 

You have upper income, but the car you described is not upper lifestyle.

knowledge that her children will have vastly more opportunity than they would if she stayed in the Ukraine? Is that not enough?

Every male on a foreign dating site can offer this.

Like i said , do you really want a model? If so, you will need to spend, buy her a Ferrari, designer goods time to time.

[LiveFromUkraine]

My wife has a 25 year old Ukrainian gf living here in the US looking for a doctor. Her last boyfriend was one and he was 45 years old. Probably not a good match for you personally as she wants the Ferrari, but just an example.

Man, that is cheap.  I was just watching Island Hunters and there was a guy looking to spend 5 mill on a private island to be with his Russian girlfriend. 

[Boethius]

Not extravagance, but a life-long upper income lifestyle and the knowledge that her children will have vastly more opportunity than they would if she stayed in the Ukraine? Is that not enough?

Beautiful women in Ukraine have access to that in their own country. 

[Gator]

I do want to date a women in their mid 20's that are 9's but that want a real relationship and maybe 1 or 2 children.

You can succeed.  It will take work.  Do you have time to visit the FSU several times not only to find your woman, but to get to know her and build a loving relationship?

A word of caution.  The young 9s receive much attention from Russian men with big bucks, more than you make.  Many of these women feel entitled.  It is their training. 

Russian men with the big bucks tend to discard their women after a few years.  Along you come to date a discarded woman having a sense of entitlement. 

Exceptions exist.  My stepdaughter was a model, urged on by her mother who was a fashion runway model for 13 years.  The stepdaughter received much attention from wealthy young Russian men.  It could have spoiled her, but mama was there to guide her through the maze. Today she is married to young entrepreneur nearby. 

Being a doctor, you probably are very busy.  To get yourself started, I suggest that you pay some money to an agent to do the leg work and find a few candidates meeting your criteria and some other criteria important to finding a worthy woman.  Eduard is such a man.  Maybe somebody can give you his contact info. 

   

I just figure that if I can't find a younger more attractive wife with better values, then why struggle with the cultural and language barriers, These two things concern me quite a bit,

Why not consider women up to 30 with 8+ looks.  If you do that, it will expand the size of your dating pool greatly.  With more choices now you can add the important criteria of intelligence and personality.  My God!  You are a professional, a doctor.  You need someone who can  hang out in your social circles, be your true friend as well as mother of your child.   An intelligent, charming woman will be better suited to handle the cultural and language barriers.    She will develop friends over time. 

My stepdaughter when she first arrived hung out with young RW students.  The students came from wealthy Russian families.  They were not as serious as my stepdaughter, very much into the party scene.  My stepdaughter gravitated away from them and eventually found American friends. 

....not to mention I fear that a FSU spouse would feel very isolated and bored once she came over here. Any thoughts are welcomed

Do you live in a large city?  A large city will help to prevent isolation and boredom. 

[redking11]

Well I appreciate the honesty and I think that maybe this just isn't for me then. If attractive Ukrainian women have so many men of means chasing them that I will not attract one without flashing my income and extending my retirement then I'll keep looking state side. In reality I intended to keep my income and profession private so as not to attract a woman that was little better than a call girl. Dragonkid might be right, though I may have sufficient income, I am not a spender and I am probably not willing to spend enough of it to obtain the foreign bride that I want. Though to be fair, my definition of a 9 might be a bit lower than dragonkid's and I would be perfectly happy with a woman 15 years younger and not 20.

Thank you for the insight all.

[redking11]

Many AW are attracted to me for my values and qualities. I'm intelligent, dedicated, hardworking (as most Dr.'s), frugal and spend my money on my home, real estate and other appreciating assets not toys that devalue. It does not sound like FSUW value or understand these qualities. Quite honestly dragonkid makes them sound like childish immature children little better than whores looking for a good time with no long term perspective of life, though what do you expect from a 25-27yo? 

[Boethius]

They're not whores, they're just young.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Well I appreciate the honesty and I think that maybe this just isn't for me then. If attractive Ukrainian women have so many men of means chasing them that I will not attract one without flashing my income and extending my retirement then I'll keep looking state side. In reality I intended to keep my income and profession private so as not to attract a woman that was little better than a call girl. Dragonkid might be right, though I may have sufficient income, I am not a spender and I am probably not willing to spend enough of it to obtain the foreign bride that I want. Though to be fair, my definition of a 9 might be a bit lower than dragonkid's and I would be perfectly happy with a woman 15 years younger and not 20.

Thank you for the insight all.

I'm not sure why it's either a 9 or nothing.  There are a lot of attractive women, all over the place. 


For me, the initial attraction is just the beginning.  I can become more attracted to the girl depending on her personality.  I can also be less attracted after getting to know someone.


The emphasis on a 9 and 20 year age gap baffles me. 


If you want an adventure, take a trip over, meet some women and see if any sparks ignite.  You have us to lean on if you need a sounding board. 


At least you are open to honesty without getting defensive which will serve you well.

[2tallbill]

Welcome to the forum,

I'm on the fence as to whether I should attempt to date and marry a woman of the FSU and would like suggestions.

Welcome to the forum,

My suggestion is to thoroughly research this forum, then you will get an idea what is
realistic and what is not. Here are a few good starting places.

How to get started
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

the free ebook
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=47

Then read all the trip reports that you can, here is my story
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.0


While you do this you will have questions, write them down and you can either use
the search feature or come back here and post your questions in this thread.

Is this possible to find in the FSU or is it merely an incompatible fantasy?

It can be either one.

Udachi!


Bill

[Larry1]

I wouldn't give up this search so easily.

If you find a nice and lovely fsuw you won't have to buy her a Bentley, fund shopping trips to Milan several times a year, and take her on your Gulfstream jet to your country house:



Gator mentioned Eduard above. Eduard is a Russian guy who lives in Florida. He provides a service of helping guys to find RW.

[Boethius]

I'm not sure why it's either a 9 or nothing.  There are a lot of attractive women, all over the place. 


For me, the initial attraction is just the beginning.  I can become more attracted to the girl depending on her personality.  I can also be less attracted after getting to know someone.


The emphasis on a 9 and 20 years age gap baffles me. 


If you want an adventure, take a trip over, meet some women and see if any sparks ignite.  You have us to lean on if you need a sounding board. 


At least you are open to honesty without getting defensive which will serve you well.

I agree with this.  Another consideration which no one has thought about is his own daughter.   This is something most men don't think about.

[Gator]

Well I appreciate the honesty and I think that maybe this just isn't for me then.

You give up just like that?!?!

Yes, this venture may not be for you.  Frankly, it sounds like you would place a FSUW wife in the category of a kept woman. 

True love will want much from you, not in dollars but in respect, understanding, time, and attentiveness.  One problem,  love takes time, for which there is no substitute.

In reality I intended to keep my income and profession private so as not to attract a woman that was little better than a call girl.

This is best.  The FSUW you date should feel you can provide for them without depending on them for money.  Spend some, but do not flash you cash.  Dragonkid is the age of the women you seek, maybe younger.  He has much to learn. 

Though to be fair, my definition of a 9 might be a bit lower than dragonkid's and I would be perfectly happy with a woman 15 years younger and not 20.

Ah ha.  These are the criteria I suggested.  Maybe there is hope for you. 

[Larry1]

Eduard charges $20,000 or more.  I suppose much depends on whether you view a wife as an "invesetment".

To me it's no different than hiring a matchmaker to help you find your future wife.

[Gator]

Eduard charges $20,000 or more.  I suppose much depends on whether you view a wife as an "investment".

Not the way to look at it. 

First, very few RW wives would return a profit.  LOL  LOL   LOL

Second, part of Eduard's fees are expenses.  His service includes  traveling with you to interview the women and interact with the client.

Third, Eduard saves time.  Time is money. 

Fourth, Eduard keeps the client away from incompatible women and sharks.

[redking11]

 it's 9 or nothing because I can date AW that are 8's. Also I already mentioned that I have no problem with 15 years younger. Once again, why 15? Because I can date AW that are 10 years younger. I'm 6'2, well put together, have a full head of blonde hair am active and carry only about 10 - 15 lbs too much weight, Most people say I look about 36- 38. I have no problem dating attractive American women. So if I can't find a younger and more attractive FSUW then why deal with the culture and language barrier? Maybe I should be ashamed for being so blunt and open about wanting a young and beautiful wife, but that's the way it is so I'm not going to pretend. If I'm not going to get a "trophy wife" I might as well marry a women 6-8 years younger that has a degree and a job. It's not like I don't have $70,000 a year nurses and even the occasional female doc dropping hints.

End point and I think dragonkid made it, I just don't think the looks and youth are enough of a priority for me.

Oh and just for the record here is a 9 imo (if the link works (she's 26): http://www.luckylovers.net/f/all_pics.php?idp=713875

[dragonkid]

sound like childish immature children little better than whores looking for a good time with no long term perspective of life, though what do you expect from a 25-27yo?

The ones you want will be, the women 25-27 who are legit 9's, models, that will look past your physical appearance will probably be interested in what is in your wallet. But that being said, you mentioned a 9 for me is different from yourself, i know a few women who are with older guys, you may find them attractive. They haven't got expensive taste, it can be done, i just confused when you said model, i assumed you wanted a girl like this



There are some nice girls in my age group, that don't care too much about money, but you are going in a different route from myself. I thought you were going down the money route, which i won't hold against you, but from the sounds of it, you are a smart guy, who saves and invests.

Oh and just for the record here is a 9 imo (if the link works (she's 26): http://www.luckylovers.net/f/all_pics.php?idp=713875

That is fine, it is completely doable, no offence, i know of women who are more attractive that are dating older guys. Sorry i just misunderstood what a 9 was for you.

I can see the search working out good for you, i know you will have great success long term.