The End of Europe?

[Anotherkiwi]

... this was always an advisory - a suggestion - not a law - and the advisory nature of it's content precedes the recent attacks  attributed to lone-wolf 'supporters' of IS

This is exactly the same scenario that our governments have touted for many years as part of general civil defence although, for us, it's in case of earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, and has absolutely nothing to do with terrorism.

[Slumba]

Europe already has diversity ... they don't need an ideology of goat-love and pork abstention added to it...

[msmobyone]

Slumba!


What WE don't need is non Europeans posting nonsemse about the 'end of Europe' .....

[Larry1]

Slumba!


What WE don't need is non Europeans posting nonsemse about the 'end of Europe' .....

As often as non-Americans post their opinions on American politics and government here surely Europeans can hear the opinions of non-Europeans.

[tfcrew]

As often as non-Americans post their opinions on American politics and government here surely Europeans can hear the opinions of non-Europeans.

Good one!

[tfcrew]

A man has allegedly attempted to “assassinate” German Chancellor Angela Merkel during a trip to the Czech Republic, which was marked by a series of anti-mass migration and anti-EU protests. The man attempted to drive into a convoy the Chancellor was traveling in and “run down police”, but was she not put in serious danger local media reports.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/08/26/merkel-assassination-attempt-after-anti-eu-and-migrant-protests-on-czech-visit/

[Boethius]

As often as non-Americans post their opinions on American politics and government here surely Europeans can hear the opinions of non-Europeans.

I don't believe Sandro, moby, Nightwish, Trenchcoat, lyndontom, Изумруд, or Patagonie have commented on American politics or government.  I'm probably missing some European posters.

[BC]

I guess I am bi political   As long as things remain constructive and informative ISO bashing, don't see a problem with mixing things up.  A lot can be learned about the different forms of democracy.

[Larry1]

I don't believe Sandro, moby, Nightwish, Trenchcoat, lyndontom, Изумруд, or Patagonie have commented on American politics or government.  I'm probably missing some European posters.

I didn't say that every non-American on the forum posts about American law and politics, but many do, some over and over again.

[BC]

I didn't say that every non-American on the forum posts about American law and politics, but many do, some over and over again.

Brass? Kiwi?  2Tall is an alien   That's about all I can think of..

[Larry1]

Brass? Kiwi?  2Tall is an alien   That's about all I can think of..

Also Boethius and JayH

[BC]

I can't recall JayH intensively discussing US politics except as it relates to Ukraine.  Boethius offers her views from time to time but I don't find them overbearing or too numerous..  her posts help balance some of the more extreme views and/or disinformation..

[Boethius]

Plus I am not a European.

[Anotherkiwi]

Plus I am not a European.

He did actually say non-American - presumably in the sense of "there is only ONE country in America!" 

As often as non-Americans post their opinions on American politics and government here...

[Larry1]

I can't recall JayH intensively discussing US politics except as it relates to Ukraine.  Boethius offers her views from time to time but I don't find them overbearing or too numerous..  her posts help balance some of the more extreme views and/or disinformation..

Jay was quite active on the gun threads, criticizing our laws which he regards as not being nearly as restrictive as Australia's.

As often as non-Americans post their opinions on American politics and government here surely Europeans can hear the opinions of non-Europeans.

I wrote non-Americans, not Europeans. And  my initial point stands. Moby's call for nonEuropeans to butt out of European issues isn't consistent with what has been the practice of the forum.

He did actually say non-American - presumably in the sense of "there is only ONE country in America!" 

I used non-Americans for two reasons. I need to replace my "s" key, which isn't functioning, and there doesn't seem to be a good word for what one poster likes to call usaians.

[Slumba]

Now that the meta-discussion is over, let's get back to Europe ending...



The actual Youtube video described:

http://t.co/AgNM0OXrEJ

These 7, need to die.

and

MERKEL MUST HANG

[msmobyone]

As it is now 'open season' ))

I have tried to stay away from US election stuff... it takes too long, costs too much money and the candidates suck ..both of 'em ..

Gawd help America - and the rest of the world ..if that is the best you can choose from.

In the meantime -I guess this thread will be populated by ignorant folk - from a nation supposedly multi-cultural by it's constitution ...

[Slumba]

In the meantime -I guess this thread will be populated by ignorant folk - from a nation supposedly multi-cultural by it's constitution ...

If referring to the USA, it was never multicultural by design. Only the revisionist left has declared it as such, in order to accuse their opponents of racism and shut down honest debate. However this is not a subject that is on topic for this thread.

[BC]

If referring to the USA, it was never multicultural by design. Only the revisionist left has declared it as such, in order to accuse their opponents of racism and shut down honest debate. However this is not a subject that is on topic for this thread.

hmm.. Yes, in retrospect Native Americans would have liked to keep the US monocultural..  The new Americans though changed that by paratactically wiping them out.. Is that what you refer to as 'never multicultural by design'..  If so didn't slavery change that quickly, voluntarily changing the 'design'?

I smell BS and a lot of it.

[Gator]

In the meantime -I guess this thread will be populated by ignorant folk - from a nation supposedly multi-cultural by it's constitution ...

The closest the Constitution comes to guaranteeing a multicultural America is in the Bill of Rights, where the first amendment guarantees freedom of religion.    There is nothing else in our founding documents about a multicultural America, yet we were settled and developed by an assemblage of multiple cultures, mostly from Europe. 

Immigration is not mentioned in the Constitution, yet for two centuries, immigrants were not only welcomed, they were essential to develop the vast lands and natural resources of America.  Essential to America's success was the assimilation of these diverse  "huddled masses yearning to breathe free" into an united force.  The quote in the previous sentence is not from our government's founding documents, but from a poem written in the late 19th C to fund the construction of the Statute of Liberty, itself a gift from France.

[Slumba]

The closest the Constitution comes to guaranteeing a multicultural America is in the Bill of Rights, where the first amendment guarantees freedom of religion.    There is nothing else in our founding documents about a multicultural America, yet we were settled and developed by an assemblage of multiple cultures, mostly from Europe. 

Immigration is not mentioned in the Constitution, yet for two centuries, immigrants were not only welcomed, they were essential to develop the vast lands and natural resources of America.  Essential to America's success was the assimilation of these diverse  "huddled masses yearning to breathe free" into an united force.  The quote in the previous sentence is not from our government's founding documents, but from a poem written in the late 19th C to fund the construction of the Statute of Liberty, itself a gift from France.

Reality:  it was written by Emma Lazarus, a socialist Jew and proto-Zionist (she died before Herzl coined the term) who was involved with dealing with the large wave of Ashkenazi Jewish immigration to the USA which was occurring at that time. 

The poem you reference was written in 1883, 1 year after the publication of her book of poems, "Songs of a Semite".

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Constitution, Founding Father's thoughts, Federalist Papers, Tom Paine, or anything else in law. 

If you want to get an idea of what the Founders actually thought, look at the 1790 naturalization act:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

FWIW the period of time when immigration was throttled severely, from the 1920s to the 1965 Hart-Cellar Act which modified the immigration laws, was, despite economic problems and war, a time when the USA prospered greatly.  Thus the concept of immigrants being required in order for the USA to thrive is disproven.

MODS: please move this portion of the thread to either a new thread or another existing thread. It has no place in the Europe thread.

[tfcrew]

Comments on the article are as interesting as the article itself.

Islam has tried to invade Europe since the middle ages. Now they have done it without firing a shot. [Mexico has done the same in this country]

5 facts about the Muslim population in Europe By Conrad Hackett509 comments
Recent killings in Paris as well as the arrival of hundreds of thousands of mostly Muslim refugees in Europe have drawn renewed attention to the continent’s Muslim population. In many European countries, including France, Belgium, Germany, the United Kingdom and the Netherlands, concerns about growing Muslim communities have led to calls for restrictions on immigration. But just how large is Europe’s Muslim population, and how 

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/19/5-facts-about-the-muslim-population-in-europe/

Why is Hungary at the top? And why is Poland third?
Few know that the church bells noon toll around the world originates in 1456 when Pope Callixtus III ordered it after the Johns Hunyadi and Capistrano defeated the turks at Nándorfehérvár, ie todays Belgrade. Many churches in Hungary, and I am talking greater historical Hungary, carry the sarcophagi of the heroes who died fighting the islamists.
Then in 1683 it was John III Sobieski, the peasant king of Poland who saved the depraved western nobility’s  axxes at the battle of Vienna. BTW king Władysław III of Varna also died in 1456 in the preamble to the battle of Belgrade.
The are just two examples of the centuries of fight against Islamic subjugation at the edge of Europe.
The current problem is that the leftist liberal governments in W Europe care more about benefits and vacation than realizing that the country will soon belong to those who work in it, it makes more sense to get on welfare than work for many degenerates around the old continent.
Wake up Europe before it is too late! And next time you stuff your mouth leasurely on lunch break at the bistro, remember why those bells call, and think how different it would have been if Belgrade in 1456 or Vienna in 1529. And history repeats itself faster when your memory is short.

Anonymous

[Gator]

Comments on the article are as interesting as the article itself.

Islam has tried to invade Europe since the middle ages. Now they have done it without firing a shot. [Mexico has done the same in this country]

Some could say we stole California thru Texas from Mexico, and they are just taking it back.     Except they are not stopping at Texas or California. 

[Slumba]

Some could say we stole California thru Texas from Mexico, and they are just taking it back.     Except they are not stopping at Texas or California.

There was nothing there ... who improved it?

Same argument as South Africa ... which was a wasteland until the Boers and English came and turned it into something useful and later, prosperous.  The blacks in SA who are currently preparing to genocide the whites that remain, came from other areas in search of jobs.

[SANDRO43]

Thus the concept of immigrants being required in order for the USA to thrive is disproven.

What was the other, 'real' motivation, then ?

Importing cheaper manpower has been the rule since Babylonian times, and continues today with new variations like exporting production .