Am I getting scammed?

[Spygreg]

Yes as long as you piss and moan about being taken by one of the biggest con games on this board and giving AFA more play, you're a sucker.

Anytime you post your pity party on the boards, rather you value my opinion or not doesn't make one shit. You get it if I decide to give it. Whether you use it or not is up to you Cowboy 

Good thing i don't give a shit. 

[2tallbill]

I wasn't looking for sympathy.  I just find it odd that an American company can do things like this and not face a consequences at some point. Most companies either get sued or just lose business and go under if they are constantly being deceitful.  It just puzzles me that they can keep on doing what they do, screwing over their customers, while Adams makes more and more money and nothing happens to him.  If I had a business and I made my money misleading people I would probably be in jail.  Not this twit, he just keeps on going!

They are selling a fantasy with the letter exchange. 95% of the men who participate will
never get on a plane. The 5% who do get on a plane they will introduce to other girls.
They can't sell women, it's been illegal since the emancipation proclamation, they just
pretend to sell limited access. It's nearly impossible to prove that they didn't provide
what they claim. If you sue them how are you going to depose girls from Russia or
elsewhere? 

It's a scam, buyer beware. I recommend that you spend your time and energy pursuing
real girls through the various means described here at the forum. You've found us now
and if you do the research you can learn nearly everything you would need to know to
succeed at this quest.

udachi!

Bill

[jone]

Spygreg,

It is important to know that you are not the first to experience the PPL or PPC sites.  I actually had a conversation with John Adams (AFA) and knew immediately that his outfit was a scam.  But I did get caught up on other sites.  It is part of the learning curve. 

The money is a small thing.  The time is what is the true expense.  There are plenty of subscription sites whereby you can find an honest woman.

Good luck.

[Patagonie]

Spygreg,

The most important are your emotions.
I see you not capable to manage them, focussing on NEGATIVE things.
There are already so many bad things happening in your life, but if you don't move away from the NEGATIVE things you will get stucked. And contrary to time and money emotions are a one way ticket, when you are fed up with one thing you don't have anymore the willingness and the desire to do it.

That's the most important keep enough willingness and desire in this endeavor.
We see here many men coming but never heard about them after a few time.
A lot of them have left the ship.
The journey is a MARATHON,
not a sprint.
So managing your emotionnal state is the most important, more than 200 or 400 bucks.

I lost twice 1000 bucks in FSU with women for travels never happening.
I considered the good side of the story and move on very quickly. I improved my experience and performed better later.

[Spygreg]

Spygreg,

The most important are your emotions.
I see you not capable to manage them, focussing on NEGATIVE things.
There are already so many bad things happening in your life, but if you don't move away from the NEGATIVE things you will get stucked. And contrary to time and money emotions are a one way ticket, when you are fed up with one thing you don't have anymore the willingness and the desire to do it.

That's the most important keep enough willingness and desire in this endeavor.
We see here many men coming but never heard about them after a few time.
A lot of them have left the ship.
The journey is a MARATHON,
not a sprint.
So managing your emotionnal state is the most important, more than 200 or 400 bucks.

I lost twice 1000 bucks in FSU with women for travels never happening.
I considered the good side of the story and move on very quickly. I improved my experience and performed better later.

Not true, I'm not dwelling on this one bit.  Hence, my comment.  He can say what he wants, I just don't care.  I'm a bit disappointed the letters were fake, but I had my doubts for a while, so it's not a big surprise.  Onto better services.   

[Spygreg]

Spygreg,

It is important to know that you are not the first to experience the PPL or PPC sites.  I actually had a conversation with John Adams (AFA) and knew immediately that his outfit was a scam.  But I did get caught up on other sites.  It is part of the learning curve. 

The money is a small thing.  The time is what is the true expense.  There are plenty of subscription sites whereby you can find an honest woman.

Good luck.

I agree, the money was spent slowly and the loss was probably nothing I wouldn't have lost other ways, but the time and emotional loss was far greater.  I had just a bit too much faith and it bit me in the ass.  Live and learn, right? 

[LiveFromUkraine]

I agree, the money was spent slowly and the loss was probably nothing I wouldn't have lost other ways, but the time and emotional loss was far greater.  I had just a bit too much faith and it bit me in the ass.  Live and learn, right?

A good reason not to get emotionally invested until you actually meet the person. 

[Spygreg]

A good reason not to get emotionally invested until you actually meet the person. 

Very true.  I hadn't fallen in love, I was disciplined enough to know better, but I did start to have some hope. There is always a line between positive thinking and false hope. Certainly when we start talking to any woman in the beginning, we are feeling some hope, otherwise we wouldn't check our skype, email etc,   But the idea of spending a day getting to a another country to meet a woman I have never seen, just didn't sit well with me.  Too many people making too much money from something no one will confirm.  RED FLAG!

[ML]

  . . . to meet a woman I have never seen, just didn't sit well with me. 

This is just the definition of a blind date.

[Spygreg]

This is just the definition of a blind date.

Ok, but most blind dates, at least locally, involved your buddies wife trying to set you up with her friend who has a really nice personality!  LOL. 

[iluvukies]

Spygreg,

It is splendid that you wish to travel to Ukraine to meet UW.  However, please do not waste any more of your time with anything this agency has to offer.  For sure travel to Ukraine,  but later when you have found genuine women who have genuine interest in meeting you. 

Please do the following: 

Step One -  Write-off the investment you have made in letters.   Forget about it.  It's gone.  It is totally worthless, except for the lesson it taught you. 

Step Two -  Start over with a different agency, one in which women have the freedom of being able to communicate with you directly.  Other RWD members will have suggestions for such agencies. 

Step Three - Contact many women and progress to a few who Skype with you.  A couple of hours on Skype will tell you 10x more than a hundred emails.   And it is free! 

Step Four - This whole endeavor  boils down to personal feelings, i. e. what your heart tells you.  Keep Skyping and you will eventually feel mutual interest with one or more women.  It likely will derive from a combination of chemistry, values, goals and beauty. 

Step Five - Get on the plane. 

Good luck!  And hang in here.   

Great advise.

Communicating directly via email or skype is very essential.

Instead of wasting time and money on love chat, or on cam share, or writing letters.

Can any of you give us a list of reputable agencies?

[Spygreg]

I had almost forgotten this post was still up.  Iluvukries, look back through the posts on this blog and they mention some good sites.  I get free travel and can speak dostatehcna parooski so I think I will just start taking some trips and hanging out in bars in Kiev LOL  One syllable of my lousy Americanized Parooski and I will catch attention! Maybe I should wear my uniform, it certainly gets attention at hotels   I just don't know when I will feel like spending my days in the back of the bus leaving the driving to a coworker! I sort of enjoy RV trips on my days off now, but the damn thing won't float, so I don't think it will get me across the pond!

It's interesting though, Once I wrote to this woman and called the BS and said contact me through normal means, as I won't answer here anymore, I never got a reply.  Certainly a 43 year old woman, in a war zone, with an American interested in her would have likely put some effort into proving she was real.  Nope, nothing!  That tells me she wasn't even getting my messages, if she was even part of A foreign affair's program.  I am surprised Uri didn't write back to me and try to keep the letters going.  What did he have to lose?  LOL.

Don't trust what you can't see. This has never been truer than when dealing with these international services.   

       

[iluvukies]

the stereotyped image of western gullibility is well established among people in the FSU,

Make sure you ask her (like I almost always do) if she's a virgin...

as they are almost nonexistent in the West. 

(hence, one of the reasons for seeking out eastern european females).

The one thing you don't want to be is a CUCK.

[Boethius]

You're less likely to find a virgin among FSUW than among WW. If this is important to you, look for a bride in India or an Arab country.

Also, a woman can lie about her virginity and you won't know.

[2tallbill]

Make sure you ask her (like I almost always do) if she's a virgin...

as they are almost nonexistent in the West. 

(hence, one of the reasons for seeking out eastern european females).

The one thing you don't want to be is a CUCK.

You've brought this up a couple of times. What's your theory of asking this question?
It will be very difficult to find a virgin in the FSU willing to marry a Western man. She
would have to be very young and/or religious. If you are not a devote Orthodox who
plans to visit the FSU for a couple of years, fasting and doing all the things that devote
Orthodox do while finding and then pursuing this young religious girl then in my opinion
you are barking up the wrong tree.

You would have a better chance joining a Church that does missionary work in the FSU.
Then traveling with them and seeing where this leads you.

Regarding a cuck, I want to make sure that I understand how you are using it.
My understanding of a cuck is a guy who dates a girl, buys her flowers and holds
her purse while somebody else bangs her. It has nothing to do with virginity. Am I
wrong?

Lastly, how old are you? You've been asked this before but didn't answer

Udachi!

Bill

[2tallbill]

You're less likely to find a virgin among FSUW than among WW. If this is important to you, look for a bride in India or an Arab country.

Also, a woman can lie about her virginity and you won't know.

A guy could also find a virgin and then find out that sex doesn't interest her.
A GCG or a prodater could say she is a virgin just so that she can tell the guy that
she doesn't want to have sex with him until marriage so that she can get dinners,
presents etc while not having to drop her knickers because she actually loves her
local boyfriend, which would make the guy pursuing her a cuck!

That's partially why I asked him his motivation/philosophy about asking the question.

[Spygreg]

It's hard for to imagine any guy doing all that for a woman who isn't sleeping with him.  I may have been dumb enough to write a $10 letter every couple weeks, but to buy her constant meals, hold her purse and whatever else you said, in hopes to someday sleep with her.  I don't think so.  If we're not rocking the bed by the second date, you had your last meal courtesy of me, and it better look real promising by the end of the first one, too. 

I'm certainly not buying you a cell phone, fixing your car or god forbid paying your rent, unless seeing you naked is a common thing and then I'll think about it. 

I'm so superficial aren't I, LOL.

[ML]

Also, a woman can lie about her virginity and you won't know.

But on the morning after the wedding night, the truth will be known as the man's sister looks for blood on the sheets.

No blood . . . big trouble in River City.

And none of that crap about having ridden a horse or bicycle, etc.

[Larry1]

But on the morning after the wedding night, the truth will be known as the man's sister looks for blood on the sheets.

No blood . . . big trouble in River City.

And none of that crap about having ridden a horse or bicycle, etc.

They sell kits to fake that.

http://www.hymenshop.com

[jone]

But on the morning after the wedding night, the truth will be known as the man's sister looks for blood on the sheets.

No blood . . . big trouble in River City.

And none of that crap about having ridden a horse or bicycle, etc.

FYI, and you know this too, if a woman has regularly used a Tampon, there is a probability that she will not bleed.

[2tallbill]

But on the morning after the wedding night, the truth will be known as the man's sister looks for blood on the sheets.

No blood . . . big trouble in River City.

And none of that crap about having ridden a horse or bicycle, etc.

Damn, and I forgot to have one of my sisters check my post wedding night sheets. 
What's the process here if you have three sisters? do you have the oldest check?
all of them?

If she bleeds in the sheets a year after marriage does that mean she's a virgin again?

What if she gets kicked right in the pink canoe?

[ML]

FYI, and you know this too, if a woman has regularly used a Tampon, there is a probability that she will not bleed.

Then the man should seek immediate annulment; but he has the right to keep her dowry money.

[ML]

They sell kits to fake that.

http://www.hymenshop.com

This is why they also sell kits for men that can be used to test the blood or liquid produced.  No man should be without it.

[ML]

What's the process here if you have three sisters? do you have the oldest check?

If she bleeds in the sheets a year after marriage does that mean she's a virgin again?

What if she gets kicked right in the pink canoe?

Yes, the oldest sister.

No, it just means you and she didn't check the calendar; or you are just being too rough.

Avoid those who have been kicked there, as they might try to do the same to you.

[Spygreg]

Last week my friend, who is also married to a Ukrainian, told me to look at website.  I did and the lady I was talking to in Donetsk  appeared there, (www.asiansingles2day.com/girl_profile.php?id=35211),  Same woman, same photos but this time she lives in Novoorzhyts'ke, Ukraine.  Sort of near Poltava.  Much closer to Kiev, making travel that much easier.  At the same time she is still on loveme.com  (http://www.loveme.com/women/info137604.htm), supposedly in Donetsk.  It looks like someone found her photo and decided to throw it on another website hoping to make some money off another sucker.  Only this time they won't be able to use travel problems as easily since she isn't in a war zone.  My friend said either that, or she moved from the war zone and lives there now and never took the old ad down and the old marriage agency is keeping her old one up to draw in suckers. He is saying this one might be real.  I'm having my doubts, but anything is possible I guess. I'm just not interested in another pay per letter service. 

They do say they allow the exchange of postal addresses, but not Email or telephone numbers.  I'm sure they tell the women they will be raped and murdered by the evil American if they give our their address and only when safely introduced by them after paying their fee can the woman be assured her man is safe, loyal and secure.  LOL. 

It is interesting though, this website is for Asian women, if you try to find a city, they are all in China or Asia.  Why would a scammer post a white girls photo on an Asian website? Why would a White girl post her own ad on an Asian website?  Neither makes any sense to me. 

I haven't spent any money on this BS, I just found in interesting.  So far I have wasted 12 minutes on it, not including the time my friend talked to me, but I got a beer out of that so it was time well spent!