Am I getting scammed?

[Spygreg]

Scarry!

[GatoMoon]

the $4000 tours

For this amount of money, I would rather to go on Wildlife Safari Tour in Southern Africa !!!

[northkape]

About the women on loveme.com / foreign affair,,,
Some experiences from my extensive search three years ago, across all dating sites I could find in Ukraine.
Among a lot of free and paid sites, I paid for membership everywhere, including loveme.com
Not that I recommend using them, but I think the women are legit.

I met with three women having profiles there, (all of them nice and serious), but found them on other sites.
But their photos on foreign affair, were way above their photos in all other places.
Not because of "photoshop", but professional makeup / photographer in a well equipped studio.
For me as an experienced photographer, I never believed in the "they are all photoshopped" myth.
It's so much easier and quicker + better results, doing it this way, and restricting the use of PhotoShop to only minor touch up, if necessary at all.

I was actually living together with one of these ladies, in her apartment for three days.
Meeting with her was a "visit one" trip for a long weekend only,, in fact, the first trip of my search,,
An absolutely terrible trip not included in my story here: 

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=15509.0

Arriving late evening in Kiev, and renting a car, for driving to Khmelnitski during the night. In terrible winter weather, early march 2013,
with numerous flat tires during that night. Finally walking the last 10 miles into the city, without winter clothing,
at six in the morning against a heavy snow / rain storm .



She was in so many ways a fantastic lady,,, and the reason I had to go meet with her so quickly:)
As it seemed to me, at that time, I could have married her, and been totally happy with it.
But I didn't want to end my well planned search, almost before starting it.
She was very sorry that I dropped her, and I wasn't feeling good about it either.

[ML]

For this amount of money, I would rather to go on Wildlife Safari Tour in Southern Africa !!!

But couldn't you catch a disease from relations with those animals ?

[Spygreg]

Ok, I know some are going to say Im an idiot, but I had to see what the result would be. No I wasn't love struck, I was just Fricken curious. it's cheaper than therapy LOL.  Sorta had to see what she would do. I sent her a letter saying I was coming to Kiev, but needed her last name and address to book the room and to let me know if such and such dates would work, or what dates she would prefer.  She replied, and of course she (or rather Boris) didn't give it to me.  "She" said she was surprised that they needed her last name and thought I could just book two rooms under my name.  No mention of here is my last name.  Then she said the shooting has started on the border so she won't be able to travel right now and we need to wait.  I don't even know if there is any shooting, I suspect not.  But we may as well keep the conversation going until we can meet, right?.  HA!   

I wrote my final letter and said, no more I'm done.  If you want to talk to me here is my Skype address and My email address.  If your real, contact me there as I won't answer here anymore.  I doubt I'll see anything, unless Boris decides to shoot me an email to work on a new scam.  That's ok, I used an alternate Email so he can spam away but unless I see her pretty brunette head talking on my screen, My a** will never be anywhere expecting her arrival!   

What a crock, I sent A Foreign Affair an Email.  I told them this is obviously a scam and I even mentioned how the person answering my emails discouraged me from attending their socials.  I figured maybe that would get their attention since that's what they try to sell.  I expect I'll get back some BS email regarding how I screwed up or how they aren't responsible or something.  I would expect nothing less.  But maybe they will be pissed at Boris for not up selling their tours. Probably not, but it's worth a shot. 

I will say this, I did meet a woman on that site (Loveme.com) long before I married my now ex-wife.  We talked through the service for a little bit, but then went to phone after that.  Skype wasn't around yet. She was a sleazy girl, had another American on the hook I didn't know about, but was looking for something better, so she invited me to come for a visit and was open to the idea of sharing a room. As bad luck would have it, she unfortunately "started her period" so she just couldn't be intimate.  LOL.  Even with that, she still had no problem asking me to help her pay for a few things. This may be superficial and wrong, but I'm much more tight with my money when the woman hasn't slept with me. Especially when I think I'm getting scammed! She got a couple dinners from me and I did buy her a $20 phone card, but when her camera broke I wished her luck in getting it repaired. I ended up leaving the trip early figuring this was a waste of time.         

Once I got back home, I got an email from her other boyfriend.  Apparently he discovered that I had come for a visit.  We chatted for a while and I told him she never slept with me.  He wanted me to verify this, so he asked me if she was "Shaved".  That was interesting, If I'm denying we slept together wouldn't I deny knowing this.  LOL.  Anyway, a month later he ended up threatening me with legal action for reporting her to authorities as a potential scam. Apparently my phone call to my contact with the feds caused some issues for them.  LOL. There is no legal cause for reporting a crime, sorry dude! 

So as the previous poster said, there are real women on loveme.com, but the question is what quality are they and are you chatting with a real one.  Now for those who want to go off about wasting money, I travel differently than most because of my job.  I don't have to pay for airfare but I have to go standby.  I also get some pretty good discounts on hotels in big cities.  So, my real waste is time, which is valuable, but it's not busting the bank.   

[GatoMoon]

Ok, I know some are going to say Im an idiot,

I wasn't aware you are Nosrtradamus!!!  Can you predict my future?

[BillyB]

   
What a crock, I sent A Foreign Affair an Email.  I told them this is obviously a scam and I even mentioned how the person answering my emails discouraged me from attending their socials.  I figured maybe that would get their attention since that's what they try to sell.  I expect I'll get back some BS email regarding how I screwed up or how they aren't responsible or something.  I would expect nothing less.  But maybe they will be pissed at Boris for not up selling their tours. Probably not, but it's worth a shot. 

No sense complaining to the agency that was in on the scam of milking you for pay to play letters. Tipping them off how you figured it out will only get them to improve the scam for the next suckers.

   
I will say this, I did meet a woman on that site (Loveme.com) long before I married my now ex-wife.  We talked through the service for a little bit, but then went to phone after that.  Skype wasn't around yet. She was a sleazy girl, had another American on the hook I didn't know about, but was looking for something better, so she invited me to come for a visit and was open to the idea of sharing a room. As bad luck would have it, she unfortunately "started her period" so she just couldn't be intimate.  LOL.  Even with that, she still had no problem asking me to help her pay for a few things. This may be superficial and wrong, but I'm much more tight with my money when the woman hasn't slept with me. Especially when I think I'm getting scammed! She got a couple dinners from me and I did buy her a $20 phone card, but when her camera broke I wished her luck in getting it repaired. I ended up leaving the trip early figuring this was a waste of time.         

You encountered what we call a "pro dater". She uses men for dinner and shopping trips and is always on her period. You have a habit of attracting all the wrong women. Stick around and read. Get educated, use reliable sites and learn how real, sincere women talk.

[GatoMoon]

Once I got back home, I got an email from her other boyfriend.  Apparently he discovered that I had come for a visit.  We chatted for a while and I told him she never slept with me.  He wanted me to verify this, so he asked me if she was "Shaved".  That was interesting, If I'm denying we slept together wouldn't I deny knowing this.  LOL. 

If I were you, I would tell him that you 'knew' she has a boyfriend and already slept with her and tell him that she did not enjoy having sex with him cos his penis is too small 

[Spygreg]

No sense complaining to the agency that was in on the scam of milking you for pay to play letters. Tipping them off how you figured it out will only get them to improve the scam for the next suckers.

You encountered what we call a "pro dater". She uses men for dinner and shopping trips and is always on her period. You have a habit of attracting all the wrong women. Stick around and read. Get educated, use reliable sites and learn how real, sincere women talk.

 

[Spygreg]

I wasn't aware you are Nosrtradamus!!!  Can you predict my future?

No, I just based it on experience.  I figured someone would need to point out what an idiot I am. It's ok, I'm getting used to it now!

[Spygreg]

If I were you, I would tell him that you 'knew' she has a boyfriend and already slept with her and tell him that she did not enjoy having sex with him cos his penis is too small 

I agree.  At first he sounded sincere and concerned, so I talked to him.  He had emailed me numerous times damn near begging me to contact him.  I finally said wth, and did.  He sounded like he was much older than me and ready to jump off a bridge. He emailed me the second time to tell me he was filing a lawsuit against me for defamation of character on his bride.  I laughed and said, I would have to defame her for that have merit, but since it was only reported to a law enforcement agency and not "published" (told) to the public it wouldn't qualify. I told him what you are really looking for is the crime of furnishing false information to a law enforcement agency, but you can't really sue for that since the agency would be the victim.  You should go pick up a law book sometime and learn how they work and stop basing your legal strategies on reruns of matlock.  LOL.   I think his response was something along the lines of F you!  Dont bother me again!  I had to reply and remind him he contacted me! 

[jone]

What in the world?

[GatoMoon]

I agree.  At first he sounded sincere and concerned, so I talked to him.  He had emailed me numerous times damn near begging me to contact him.  I finally said wth, and did.  He sounded like he was much older than me and ready to jump off a bridge. He emailed me the second time to tell me he was filing a lawsuit against me for defamation of character on his bride.  I laughed and said, I would have to defame her for that have merit, but since it was only reported to a law enforcement agency and not "published" (told) to the public it wouldn't qualify. I told him what you are really looking for is the crime of furnishing false information to a law enforcement agency, but you can't really sue for that since the agency would be the victim.  You should go pick up a law book sometime and learn how they work and stop basing your legal strategies on reruns of matlock.  LOL.   I think his response was something along the lines of F you!  Dont bother me again!  I had to reply and remind him he contacted me!

 

[BillyB]

Once I got back home, I got an email from her other boyfriend.  Apparently he discovered that I had come for a visit.  We chatted for a while and I told him she never slept with me.  He wanted me to verify this, so he asked me if she was "Shaved".  That was interesting, If I'm denying we slept together wouldn't I deny knowing this.  LOL. 

If you wanted to get the girl in trouble, you should have said without hesitation "She was definitely shaved, but I repeat, we didn't have sex!". Being shave is the current trend over there so chances you'd be right.

[Spygreg]

Loveme.com did reply.  I got some BS about how the women are fearful of a crazy finding them and all that, but was patronized and told of course I'm not look for that, but it's just the concern they have.  Like they know if I'm a psycho!  Look, just because I talk to the walls and scream the aliens are coming when the vending machine in the Lunch room at work makes a weird sound, does not make me insane!

The interesting part was what I learned.  I was referred to their travel coordinator about this.  So I shot her an email and said, ok what can you do.  She was happy to make an arrangement to meet this woman for $200.  They would put it all together and have the IMBRA forms signed and then we would meet in person.  I had to pause and ask, why does the IMBRA form need to be signed, that was supposed to have been sent when we first started talking.  Guess what?  It wasn't!  According to this lady, the form is sent to the Ukrainian agency, but they don't always get them signed. Especially in Donetsk since things are so difficult there.  Oh, what a coincidence they get to make money if we can't talk outside the agency and they conveniently forgot to issue the form needed so we could talk outside the agency. Wouldn't that be called a conflict of interest in the rest of the world? So, no wonder this woman has never replied outside the service.  She can't!  Assuming she is real!

I wrote back and said, how about we first work on getting that IMBRA form to her.  Maybe after getting that fixed we can see what her real reply is.  I'm suspecting she will never reply, because she doesn't exist, but I want to hear them say that.  We will see what happens on Monday, assuming they reply.  The lady, I was supposedly talking to, told me that when she received the flowers she was called by the marriage broker and could either go to their office to pick them up or they would deliver them. She opted for delivery, but the office is close enough for her to go to.  So AFA's argument that it's difficult to get the form signed in Donetsk is BS!  She can get to the office, it's in her town.  Unless of course there is no office or woman, then that makes more sense.  I agree it would be difficult to get a signature from a ghost! 

It just gets better by the minute!   That rat smell is getting stronger and stronger!   

[BillyB]

I got some BS about how the women are fearful of a crazy finding them and all that, but was patronized and told of course I'm not look for that, but it's just the concern they have. 
 

It is BS. Agencies that don't want you to go around them give that excuse and make you feel sorry for the girls. You wrote to the woman for 4 months and she's ready to meet you in another city alone yet they want you to believe the woman won't give you a phone number or private email because she thinks you may be a monster.

[Spygreg]

It is BS. Agencies that don't want you to go around them give that excuse and make you feel sorry for the girls. You wrote to the woman for 4 months and she's ready to meet you in another city alone yet they want you to believe the woman won't give you a phone number or private email because she thinks you may be a monster.

You know what this lady (at AFA) told me? She said I should ask this lady I'm talking to go in and sign the IMBRA form.  Really?  Like I hadn't thought of that.  Come on, it's BS.  The agency in Ukraine is withholding the form so they can make some money off the letters. There really shouldn't be any charge to have them tell the Ukrainian agency to issue the form, but you know they will ask for money to do so.  Lets see if this form goes to a ghost.   

[HoundDaddyLee]

You know what this lady (at AFA) told me? She said I should ask this lady I'm talking to go in and sign the IMBRA form.  Really?  Like I hadn't thought of that.  Come on, it's BS.  The agency in Ukraine is withholding the form so they can make some money off the letters. There really shouldn't be any charge to have them tell the Ukrainian agency to issue the form, but you know they will ask for money to do so.  Lets see if this form goes to a ghost.

SpyGreg, what is your end game in all this? You should just walk away. You will not get a refund or justice if that is what you are looking for. You have spent 4 months exchanging mail with "Boris or Yuri", move on. There are plenty of non PPL/PPC sites you can use (Mamba, fdating.com). There is a greater than 90% chance the woman you are exchanging letters with does not exist. Time to move on. You got taken for a ride and got an education. Many of us here have been in your shoes, including me. Let it go and find a nice woman that not in the war zone.


Good luck,
HDL

[Patagonie]

SpyGreg, what is your end game in all this? You should just walk away. You will not get a refund or justice if that is what you are looking for. You have spent 4 months exchanging mail with "Boris or Yuri", move on. There are plenty of non PPL/PPC sites you can use (Mamba, fdating.com). There is a greater than 90% chance the woman you are exchanging letters with does not exist. Time to move on. You got taken for a ride and got an education. Many of us here have been in your shoes, including me. Let it go and find a nice woman that not in the war zone.


Good luck,
HDL

+2

[Spygreg]

I'm just curious what bulls@@t will be slung next.  No i don't expect to ser her pop up on my Skype account and reassure me it's all real.  I'm sure Boris is disappointed he isn't getting his money anymore though.  Poor Boris,  he has to find another sucker now. 

[Boethius]

I would hazard a guess Boris is really Natasha.  A lot of women supplement their incomes talking to foreign men. 


As much as it may be fun for you, I suggest you cut your losses and focus on a real woman, if that is your long term goal.

[Spygreg]

Yes,  I hope you do see im bitching at the American company for not doing their job.  We do have a culture here that says screwing thy customer over isn't cool and you are responsible for that which you represent as legitimate while profiting from it. So I may do it a bit more bitching while thinking of possibilities to return my appreciation?  Have i mentioned I'm working on my law degree so who knows what ideas may pop into my head.  I may accomplish nothing,  i know that,  but at least i can say yes,  i told them and they did nothing.  If nothing else it will make me feel better. Besides I can't afford a therapist now,  since natasha took my money.  So this is the best i can do for now Lol

[2tallbill]

Yes,  I hope you do see im bitching at the American company for not doing their job.  We do have a culture here that says screwing thy customer over isn't cool and you are responsible for that which you represent as legitimate while profiting from it.

How is it possible that companies sell pills for penis enlargement? or xray glasses in
the back of comic books. How is it possible that there are advertisements for buying
gold coins as an investment when 50% of the cost is paid to advertising and commissions?
How is it possible that there are advertisements for get rich quick schemes?

This is just another situation where you are expected to figure it out. Now you've
figured it out you can decide to waste as much or as little time as you want complaining.
However, every hour you waste complaining is an hour you can be spending finding a
good girl.

In the beginning I recommended that you chalk it up as lessons learned in the school
of hard knocks. It's still good advice. You can spend the time and energy doing something
productive (or not)

Udachi!

Bill

[ML]

How is it possible that companies sell pills for penis enlargement?

My spouse suggested that I investigate some penis enlargement solution.

I did.  Her name is Tiffany and she is 20.

[jone]

I didn't see Tiffany in the back of my comic books.  I went back and looked.