More Bad News for Ukraine

[Bounder]

JayH was tired of discussing the bad news in Ukraine under the "More Bad News for Russia" thread, so I decided to start a new one to rectify the problem.

I don't even know where to begin on this topic.  There is so much bad news for Ukraine.  I suppose when they realize that Russia is their proper bed mate, there may be less to post under this thread! 

[BillyB]

There is so much bad news for Ukraine.  I suppose when they realize that Russia is their proper bed mate,

If one lies in bed with the Devil, they're going to get fukced. Hopefully Ukraine can get out from being Russia's bitch. They had their chance to bring Ukraine prosperity. We'll see if Trump keeps his campaign promise that Russia won't go into Ukraine any further if he's president.

[jone]

JayH was tired of discussing the bad news in Ukraine under the "More Bad News for Russia" thread, so I decided to start a new one to rectify the problem.

I don't even know where to begin on this topic.  There is so much bad news for Ukraine.  I suppose when they realize that Russia is their proper bed mate, there may be less to post under this thread! 

I doubt, very much, that Russia will be Ukraine's proper bed mate until there is significant change in the way Russia is governed.  While there is plenty wrong in Ukraine, most of the Ukrainians understand that to have any success as a country requires them going it alone.  Think in terms of a woman in a marriage that is continually beaten.  She has no choice but to seek her own life. 

One only needs to look at Ukraine's neighbor to the Northwest, Poland, to understand that a future without Russia entails a significant increase in the standard of living.

[JayH]

JayH was tired of discussing the bad news in Ukraine under the "More Bad News for Russia" thread, so I decided to start a new one to rectify the problem.

I don't even know where to begin on this topic.  There is so much bad news for Ukraine.  I suppose when they realize that Russia is their proper bed mate, there may be less to post under this thread! 

The was no where that I said that-- the actual quote is below and is clear enough.
Funny how the petty little promotoers of Kremlin bs  seek to troll  and misrepresent ad nauseum .
BTW-- what happened to your "respect" for Ukrainian dead as a result of Russia's actions? No answer required--your attitude is already clear to all.



"One of the things that amuses me( not) on the forum is that when the thread title is  --

MORE BAD NEWS FOR RUSSIA

and topics of what is bad news for Russia are posted is that we have seen a procession of posters attempting to divert the thread into a negative discussion about Ukraine  -- sort of shows what is in the heads of those people doesn't it?

There are plenty of threads about Ukraine on the forum."
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=17720.5075

[JayH]

There is no doubt that there is bad news all too often in Ukraine -- and a remarkable amount of it is caused  by Russia.

From interfering in every aspect of Ukrainian life from politics to conducting a military invasion of eastern Ukraine and Crimea.

Virtually every day people are dying  as a result of Russia's actions.

Situation developments in Donbas demonstrate a total aggravation (UPDATE)

Update: The press office for Ukraine's Defense Ministry has informed about one civilian killed during the militant attack against the village of Tonenke near Avdiivka, Donetsk sector.

Story: For the past day, Russian-backed proxies have fired at the Ukrainian army positions 64 times using artillery and grenade launchers, according to Ukraine's ATO HQ report.

There have been 15 cease-fire violations in the Luhansk direction, 6 – in Donetsk and 43 – in Mariupol sector.

http://uatoday.tv/crime/situation-developments-in-donbas-demonstrate-a-total-aggravation-804969.html

[JayH]

For the op who was not happy that the bad news in Ukraine is not being reported-there is an endless supply of stories --or perhaps you would like to question the accuracy of the sources?


Russia sends more armour to Donbas: 2 Ukrainian soldiers killed (map)

Ukrainian troops forced to fight back militant attacks, and Russia reportedly sends more tanks to Donbas

Russia-backed militants violate the truce along the whole front line in Donbas, Ukrainian troops return fire at the major positions, Defense Ministry spokesman on ATO issues Col. Andriy Lysenko reported today. By his data, two Ukrainian soldiers were killed and two more wounded due to Russian proxies' attacks during last 24 hours. The militants' attacks were reported along the whole front line.


http://uatoday.tv/crime/russia-sends-more-armour-to-donbas-2-ukrainian-soldiers-killed-804714.html

[Bounder]

The was no where that I said that-- the actual quote is below and is clear enough.
Funny how the petty little promotoers of Kremlin bs  seek to troll  and misrepresent ad nauseum .
BTW-- what happened to your "respect" for Ukrainian dead as a result of Russia's actions? No answer required--your attitude is already clear to all.



"One of the things that amuses me( not) on the forum is that when the thread title is  --

MORE BAD NEWS FOR RUSSIA

and topics of what is bad news for Russia are posted is that we have seen a procession of posters attempting to divert the thread into a negative discussion about Ukraine  -- sort of shows what is in the heads of those people doesn't it?

There are plenty of threads about Ukraine on the forum."
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=17720.5075

I haven't been doing anything ad nauseum.  I find that this forum is overall very pro-Ukrainian and that's okay.  But since I have a different view, I thought I would present it to make things a little for interesting.  You seem to have difficulty handling the idea that someone would present a more pro-Russian view.  I don't think Russia is perfect, but if I start criticizing Russia, I'll just have posters ad nauseum agreeing with me.  And that would be boring  and useless to the point of being nauseous!

I feel that if I have showed disrespect to those that have died in the conflict in Eastern Ukraine I would have been banned from here by now.  I don't have disrespect for them, and I have told you that.  I think every person who dies in human conflict represents a personal tragedy and it is sad beyond words for those most directly affected.

As far as blaming it all on "Russia's actions", I guess I should expect much more from someone who reads the Euromaidan press for his news and gospel.

[Boethius]

I feel that if I have showed disrespect to those that have died in the conflict in Eastern Ukraine I would have been banned from here by now.

This isn't the other forum.  No one gets banned here for their opinions, no matter how repugnant they are.

[Bounder]

This isn't the other forum.  No one gets banned here for their opinions, no matter how repugnant they are.

As I understand you govern this forum, if you find my opinions repugnant and feel I show disrespect to people who have died in the conflict in Ukraine, or anywhere else for that matter, then I will excuse myself from this forum.

I do not disrespect any dead.

[Bounder]

Sorry, I know you have Ukrainian connections and so do I by the way.  I have been "enriching" my comments.  Did you notice who I was responding to?  Maybe that gives a clue why I have been inclined to go over the top.

But if you can't just take a differing viewpoint on these issues, then let me leave you to your Ukrainian safespace.

[Boethius]

I do not "govern" this forum.  You shouldn't listen to the malcontents in chat.

Ask the many posters who have clashed with me over the years whether or not they are restricted from posting here.  My self worth is not tied to whether or not someone on the internet disagrees with me.

[Boethius]

Sorry, I know you have Ukrainian connections and so do I by the way.  I have been "enriching" my comments.  Did you notice who I was responding to?  Maybe that gives a clue why I have been inclined to go over the top.

But if you can't just take a differing viewpoint on these issues, then let me leave you to your Ukrainian safespace.

So pointing out that you were factually inaccurate is requiring a "safe space"?  You're a little old to be a college student/millenial special snowflake, are you not?

I don't have "Ukrainian connections".  I have family in Ukraine.  I have lived in Ukraine.  I speak Ukrainian fluently.  I went to Ukrainian schools as a child, studied Ukrainian history from the time I was eight, recited Shevchenko and Franko, just as did tens of thousands of Canadian-Ukrainian children.   My better half is part Russian, and has, as he refers to it, a "Kremlin approved" surname.  My children have Russian blood, and carry that Russian surname.  So, given I sleep with a Russian, I can hardly be looking for a "safe" Ukrainian space.


If you disagree, that is fine by me.  But you should at least base those disagreements on actual facts.

[JayH]

I haven't been doing anything ad nauseum.  I find that this forum is overall very pro-Ukrainian and that's okay.  But since I have a different view, I thought I would present it to make things a little for interesting.  You seem to have difficulty handling the idea that someone would present a more pro-Russian view.  I don't think Russia is perfect, but if I start criticizing Russia, I'll just have posters ad nauseum agreeing with me.  And that would be boring  and useless to the point of being nauseous!

I feel that if I have showed disrespect to those that have died in the conflict in Eastern Ukraine I would have been banned from here by now.  I don't have disrespect for them, and I have told you that.  I think every person who dies in human conflict represents a personal tragedy and it is sad beyond words for those most directly affected.

As far as blaming it all on "Russia's actions", I guess I should expect much more from someone who reads the Euromaidan press for his news and gospel.

You seem to think the situation is like some football match--where you barrack for one side. Labelling the forum as pro-Ukraine  is an example of your thinking.

Your petty carping over criticism and negative posts about Russia supports that. You have constantly alleged ( incorrectly) that I and others see no flaws in Ukraine

You mention the other forum --which is blatantly  anti Ukrainian and in fact-receives financial support from the Russian troll factory.One gets banned there ( as many of our members here are)  simply by disagreeing with the proprietor --in my case -I got banned  there for my comments on this forum !!  You only have to read at any given time to see a clear bias - against Ukraine.
 Now here you whine that I have a problem with someone presenting a "more Russian" view  -- all you have done is repeat Russian bs that has been aired a 1000 times before.  You lace your posts with potential half truths in the attempt to provoke - I see it as pathetic.
 It makes me wonder why someone would be so obtuse -- to have their head in the sand to such a degree.

You have kept attempting to attribute a position I do not hold to me -repeatedly stating that I attempt to blame Russia for "all" of Ukraine's problems.
Fact is--it would be a lot simpler for Ukraine to be moving forward faster if it did not have to deal with Russia.

You ought to recognise that Russia has been repeatedly been  outsmarted in Ukraine. Russia pulled the wrong rein when it attempted to takeover Ukraine. Now -Ukraine has made significant economic progress--the military is now far more capable-- and soon will present a real challenge to Russia.
Can you imagine the reaction is Moscow when their military starts getting their arses handed to them on a plate!!

Russia has paid-- and is going to pay a huge price for the miscalculation over Ukraine.

[JayH]

I feel that if I have showed disrespect to those that have died in the conflict in Eastern Ukraine I would have been banned from here by now.  I don't have disrespect for them, and I have told you that.  I think every person who dies in human conflict represents a personal tragedy and it is sad beyond words for those most directly affected.

You have and are showing disrespect . The country is UKRAINE

It is not- and never has been "The " Ukraine.

Your thread title is deliberately disrespectful  -- and shows your ignorance in your quest to use those  words  to describe Ukraine  because it came naturally to you?

Funnily enough  (not)  you and another current clown poster attempts to divert threads    are the classic troll strategy used on a world wide basis -leaves me wondering.

[Bounder]

You have and are showing disrespect . The country is UKRAINE

It is not- and never has been "The " Ukraine.

Your thread title is deliberately respectful  -- and shows your ignorance in your quest to use those  words  to describe Ukraine  because it came naturally to you?

Serious countries don't spend their oxygen whining and complaining about how they are called.  And only dodgy countries get the crown "The" put before their noun name.

[Boethius]

It isn't the country that has referred to the use of articles.  It's just poor grammar.

[mhr7]

Serious countries don't spend their oxygen whining and complaining about how they are called.  And only dodgy countries get the crown "The" put before their noun name.

Like The United States of America or The United Kingdom?

[Anotherkiwi]

Like The United States of America or The United Kingdom?

I was thinking of those ones, too!    However, he might have a point with The Gambia, or The Democratic People's Republic of Korea. 

[ML]

Hey gang, we have been over this many times before.

There are only two groups of countries which require the article in English: Those with plural names such as the United States or the Netherlands. The others have names with adjectival or compound forms which require the article, such as the United Kingdom, the Dominion of Canada, etc.

There is one case in which the country decided to use The as part of it's official name.  The Gambia.

[Gator]

There is one case in which the country decided to use The as part of it's official name.  The Gambia.

Who knows - Gambia is not plural or it would be Gambiae.  Gambia is an identical plural.

ML, excellent explanation.  Thanks.    You must have learned this at The Ohio State University.

[ML]

To further clarify, some countries require 'the' before their names.  i.e. the plural, adjectival or compound forms.  In these cases 'the' is not capitalized.

However, The Gambia requires a capitalized 'The' because the country chose the two words as its official name.

The Gambia did not chose this name because of any plural, adjectival or compound reason . . . the country just wanted the name The Gambia.

[mhr7]

To further clarify, some countries require 'the' before their names.  i.e. the plural, adjectival or compound forms.  In these cases 'the' is not capitalized.

However, The Gambia requires a capitalized 'The' because the country chose the two words as its official name.

The Gambia did not chose this name because of any plural, adjectival or compound reason . . . the country just wanted the name The Gambia.

I've never come across or thought about the capitalization of 'the' before a country name, interesting.

[AkMike]

Nevermind.

[jone]

Okay.  The United States is?   Or:
The United States are?

[Anotherkiwi]

Okay.  The United States is?   Or:
The United States are?

It's a single country (same as The Netherlands), so it IS what it is.