Latest info re immigration from Trump

[GQBlues]

Liberals Prove Their IGNORANCE Of American History By Opposing Trump Refugee Ban

The 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act includes language — clause 212(f) — giving the president full power to ban "any aliens or any class of aliens"

"Whenever the president finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

In layman's terms, Trump can indeed ban or create entry restrictions against any immigrant at any time₁"

Former President Barack Obama used the authority six times while in office.₂

Former President George W. Bush used the executive powers six times as well, and Bill Clinton did twice,

George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, and Jimmy Carter instituted bans using their
executive powers a combined seven times.₃

1. http://mic.com/articles/166800/is-donald-trumps-executive-order-banning-muslims-even-legal-you-wont-like-the-answer#.Yl2AOffst

2. http://washingtonfeed.com/liberals-prove-their-ignorance-of-american-history-by-opposing-trump-refugee-ban.html

3. http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obama-immigration-ban-muslims/2016/06/16/id/734234/

I concur.

US Code 1182 was originally written and sponsored as the McCarran-Walker Act by a Democratic Congress (House & Senate), It was vetoed by Harry Truman, a Democrat, but overruled by Congress and became law in 1952. It has been modified a few times since. One modification in fact was instrumental in allowing Pres. Jimmy Carter to use the law to ban Iran AND deport Iranian students already in the United States.

“Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by president. Whenever the president finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, the president may, by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”

Again, these liberal numbnuts are fully ignorant of the very law their own political party legislated. All these silly protests are staged. Paid and promoted for by Democratic politicians and their SuperPACS with an eye for the 2018 election.

[GQBlues]

Trump may have legal authority to do what he has done, I don't know..In reading your article, what Obama did was measured, and targeted specific small groups of individuals related to terrorism or the like... Very different than the blanket ban that Trump has instituted.  I hope he remains calm and doesn't blow things up any further than it already has. 


Fathertime!

It isn't a 'blanket ban', FT. The ban, for now, are only from 7 nations. There are approximately 50 Muslim-majority nations in the world.

The only thing I can criticize in this EO is DJT didn't lay out details and how to proceed with the EO. That's the only hole creating a lot of confusion. Further, even those with green card or citizenship can get wrapped up into this order and be lawfully detained. There hasn't been any information that details how this is going to be handled, IMO.

Bear in mind, ISIS/ISIL just lost Mosul. Much of its territories they gained had been lost. In short, ISIS has been losing and are in retreat. Many of them are deserting and are likely spreading out, or worst, going back to where they came from. That includes Western Europe and the US. I couldn't care less what Europe does. Their government, their people. I just wish they (government and people) could give us (the US) the same courtesy and mind their own business. I have no doubt their Muslim population had been peaceful loving citizens of their respective European nations. I'm sure it'll be nice to see the likes of their Jihadist John back *safely at home*.

As for us, it would be catastrophic to have these morons fly back without being extremely vetted prior to their admittance back here.

[BillyB]

Bear in mind, ISIS/ISIL just lost Mosul. Much of its territories they gained had been lost. In short, ISIS has been losing and are in retreat. Many of them are deserting and are likely spreading out, or worst, going back to where they came from. That includes Western Europe and the US.

There are about 3000 foreign ISIS fighters in Syria and Iraq. Russians have the most foreign ISIS terrorists with France, Britain and other Western European countries accounting for 500 of the 3000 foreign terrorists. Very few of those foreign terrorists are from the nations Trump put on his banned list. When some escape with their lives and sneak back into their countries, What did Trump do to improve the vetting process of people living in nations that are our allies and Russia? Although not perfect, it is already hard enough for terrorists to come directly into our country. It is easier for them to become European citizens and then move here. Those who did 9/11 first lived in Germany before coming to America.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-iraq-syria-nationalities-islamic-jihads-foreign-legion-1453093

[alex330]

Apparently the seven nations had already been selected by the Obama administration and Trump just used the existing list....

[BillyB]

Apparently the seven nations had already been selected by the Obama administration and Trump just used the existing list....

You're the second person who said this. Does that mean Obama gets the credit or the blame for what's going on? Or is this something the Trump camp put out to explain the situation they caused was already well thought out by Obama to calm to liberals down? I remember Obama blaming everything on Bush and wouldn't take ownership of anything that went wrong. Hope Trump doesn't play the same game.

Trump's idea of vetting people should've been vetted itself before being implemented. Besides nations left off the list I mentioned earlier, I like to add why is Afghanistan and Pakistan left off the list? Al Qaeda aren't terrorists anymore?

Trump's knee jerk reactions to issues and go at it alone attitude, like Obama had, to get things done is going to cost us taxpayers a lot of money to defend against lawsuits. Just as Obama made gun sales spike and the NRA more powerful every time he attacked guns, Trump is going to make the ACLU much more powerful. I can imagine the size of donations flowing their way right now.

I'm still trying to figure out Trump. He wants to be very hard on China and Mexico which are major trading partners and be soft on Russia. Obama went to Europe and lobbied hard to get them to agree to sanctions on Russia. Europe watch Russia's actions these last few years and they are trying to encourage Trump to keep the sanctions. Go figure.

Trump realizes he made some mistakes with his order and now clarified green card holders from the nations on the list aren't affected.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-backs-off-tough-stand-on-green-card-holders/ar-AAmnWmD?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

[fathertime]

You're the second person who said this. Does that mean Obama gets the credit or the blame for what's going on?

Ha!  Obama gets 'blame' if things go awry, and no credit if they go well. Apparently certain republicans are getting nervous about this whole thing Trump is spearheading, throwing Obama's name around is the evidence.


Fathertime! 

[alex330]

You're the second person who said this. Does that mean Obama gets the credit or the blame for what's going on? Or is this something the Trump camp put out to explain the situation they caused was already well thought out by Obama to calm to liberals down?

I imagine it is both. Neither side is willing to throw Saudi Arabia under the bus. Although I did read many of the student VISA' for Saudis we suspended....


I would add more nations to the list as well. Afghanistan and Pakistan should definitely be added. Heck, add Haiti to the list as well while we are at it.

[GQBlues]

There are about 3000 foreign ISIS fighters in Syria and Iraq. Russians have the most foreign ISIS terrorists with France, Britain and other Western European countries accounting for 500 of the 3000 foreign terrorists. Very few of those foreign terrorists are from the nations Trump put on his banned list. When some escape with their lives and sneak back into their countries, What did Trump do to improve the vetting process of people living in nations that are our allies and Russia? Although not perfect, it is already hard enough for terrorists to come directly into our country. It is easier for them to become European citizens and then move here. Those who did 9/11 first lived in Germany before coming to America.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-iraq-syria-nationalities-islamic-jihads-foreign-legion-1453093

You need to do some more reading before trying to look/sound smart. Trump DID NOT make the list that have been classified as nations with special risk. The Obama administration did. He restricted these countries from the visa waiver program in February 2016 because of it. Travel caution was issued for travel to these countries. The only thing this current EO did, was to extend a more stringent/ special vetting for those coming to the US FROM these *previously classified nations as special risk nations* That isn't a blame-game.

READ: Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act 2015.

As for your other futile point, you would have known the answer to that question, again, if you spent some time reading what's going on first. The EO's 'extreme vetting' platform includes applicants coming from any other nations but shows travel to/fro the 7 cited nations on the banned list within the last 5 years. This means that, even if an American ISIS member decided to first fly into Japan to have sushi before coming home, chances are he will be denied entry. Or a German citizen of Uzbek nationality flies into Kiev and poke a dozen devushkas for a couple of months, then flies back home to Germany before trying to enter the USA, sadly the idiot will be *denied*.

You're the second person who said this. Does that mean Obama gets the credit or the blame for what's going on? Or is this something the Trump camp put out to explain the situation they caused was already well thought out by Obama to calm to liberals down? I remember Obama blaming everything on Bush and wouldn't take ownership of anything that went wrong. Hope Trump doesn't play the same game.

Trump's idea of vetting people should've been vetted itself before being implemented. Besides nations left off the list I mentioned earlier, I like to add why is Afghanistan and Pakistan left off the list? Al Qaeda aren't terrorists anymore?

Trump's knee jerk reactions to issues and go at it alone attitude, like Obama had, to get things done is going to cost us taxpayers a lot of money to defend against lawsuits. Just as Obama made gun sales spike and the NRA more powerful every time he attacked guns, Trump is going to make the ACLU much more powerful. I can imagine the size of donations flowing their way right now.

I'm still trying to figure out Trump. He wants to be very hard on China and Mexico which are major trading partners and be soft on Russia. Obama went to Europe and lobbied hard to get them to agree to sanctions on Russia. Europe watch Russia's actions these last few years and they are trying to encourage Trump to keep the sanctions. Go figure.

Trump realizes he made some mistakes with his order and now clarified green card holders from the nations on the list aren't affected.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-backs-off-tough-stand-on-green-card-holders/ar-AAmnWmD?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

The media twist and shuffle:

“In applying the provisions of the president’s executive order, I hereby deem the entry of lawful permanent residents to be in the national interest absent the receipt of significant derogatory information indicating a serious threat to public safety and welfare, lawful permanent resident status will be a dispositive factor in our case-by-case determinations.”

Now which part of *extreme vetting* you guys do not understand? Billy read the headlines and decided it was perfect for posting on message board to support his, whatever...

I said up thread, my critic to this EO is the absence of details made available to the public at the time of implementation. The fact it wasn't available doesn't mean they're 'backing off' as the headline suggested.

[pitbull]

I imagine it is both. Neither side is willing to throw Saudi Arabia under the bus. Although I did read many of the student VISA' for Saudis we suspended....


I would add more nations to the list as well. Afghanistan and Pakistan should definitely be added. Heck, add Haiti to the list as well while we are at it.

And Russia!!! Tsarnaev brothers were from Russia.

[alex330]

And Russia!!! Tsarnaev brothers were from Russia.

It might be a joke for you, but for many of us this has gone too far.

My buddies gf was raped by a Haitian refugee here in Miami. They have brought nothing but fraud and crime to our shores.

My wife was almost raped by an illegal Jamaican refugee. Luckily I was walking my 90 pound dog down the street.

My buddy in Texas was just killed by a an illegal Mexican last week. He had a violent past and was still here. He was a SWAT officer and the elementary school resource officer in his town. He just had a 2 month old baby. He was the longest serving office on the force.

http://starlocalmedia.com/lakecitiessun/news/lake-cities-show-support-for-little-elm-det-jerry-walker/article_93b5ba3e-e4fa-11e6-8335-339119af84f8.html

Enough is enough.

[BillyB]

Trump DID NOT make the list that have been classified as nations with special risk.

You're the third person who said that. I knew that a long time ago but who is taking action on that list now, Obama or Trump? Trump made a mess on how he went about initiating a vetting process so people want to point the finger that's Obama's list. Obama first took action on that list in 2015. He improved the vetting process back then without making a big stink but probably not enough for Trump's tastes. Trump is not looking good in his first week on the job. There are better ways to handle what he wants to do so he owns this mess. There are going to be a lot of lawsuits based off Trump's style of getting things done you and I are going to have to pay for at this rate. Trump better get Congress, who represents the people, involved in some of the decision making so there wouldn't be an uproar every other day. I certainly didn't enjoy Obama's go at it alone with executive actions and I wouldn't enjoy Trump doing it. I'm not ready to give him the Nobel Peace Prize yet. He needs to prove himself.

[BC]

The bright side to all this is that the checks and balances are at work.  The other is that Trump may begin to realise the importance of first listening to folks that are ultimately in charge of implementing such orders along with thinking things through prior to signing the dotted line.  Lastly, he's learning that the US is not a kingdom.

[BillyB]

The bright side to all this is that the checks and balances are at work.  The other is that Trump may begin to realise the importance of first listening to folks that are ultimately in charge of implementing such orders along with thinking things through prior to signing the dotted line.  Lastly, he's learning that the US is not a kingdom.

I made the mistake a few months ago thinking Trump will change his tune yet we're still seeing the theatrics and hysterics. He needs to get the Congress, the representatives of the people involved more often. He doesn't seem to understand his executive orders could be executed poorly pissing off a lot of people. A million people may not be let into this country and I doubt most of them are trouble makers. Cancelled tickets, airlines taking a hit, lawsuits we have to pay for, America's image and our economy will take a hit. Obama did things alone too many times excluding the people's representatives and turned the keys over to the Republicans. I'm going to make a prediction. In two years Trump is going to make America Democrat again if he keeps with the same program of signing executive orders without thinking of the consequences of his actions.  There are better ways of implementing an improved vetting process without ruining the schedules of many people's lives.

[GQBlues]

You're the third person who said that. I knew that a long time ago..[/b]

I call your BS. Just 4 hours removed from this quoted post, you said: "Very few of those foreign terrorists are from the nations Trump put on his banned list".

LMAO! I'm not a gullible liberal. Certainly unlike you who can't seem to get things straight. You're talking from both sides of your mouth.

...  but who is taking action on that list now, Obama or Trump? Trump made a mess on how he went about initiating a vetting process so people want to point the finger that's Obama's list...

There is NO mess. What 'mess' are you talking about? US CODE 1182 is NOT a mess! Trump's latest TEMPORARY 'ban' is NOT unprecedented. Which part of this are you grappling with?

Obama first took action on that list in 2015.

I'm glad I'm able to educate you a bit on this issue.

.. He improved the vetting process back then without making a big stink but probably not enough for Trump's tastes...

It isn't called an 'improvement'. It's called an amendment.

... Trump is not looking good in his first week on the job. There are better ways to handle what he wants to do so he owns this mess. There are going to be a lot of lawsuits based off Trump's style of getting things done you and I are going to have to pay for at this rate. Trump better get Congress, who represents the people, involved in some of the decision making so there wouldn't be an uproar every other day. I certainly didn't enjoy Obama's go at it alone with executive actions and I wouldn't enjoy Trump doing it. I'm not ready to give him the Nobel Peace Prize yet. He needs to prove himself.

You are now at a point of clutching on straws.

I hope now you can 'see' the virtue between reading, or being aware, of our country's laws, rules, regulations from simply shooting from the hip and pretending you know anything.

Holy smokes! Many of you are *born* in this country, speaking the language spoken here. At least make an ounce of effort to show you actually know how the government of your country works and how/why our constitutional republic functions.

[GQBlues]

The bright side to all this is that the checks and balances are at work.  The other is that Trump may begin to realise the importance of first listening to folks that are ultimately in charge of implementing such orders along with thinking things through prior to signing the dotted line.  Lastly, he's learning that the US is not a kingdom.

Funny. Why didn't this statement appeared from you during Obama's merry pen and phone celebration, "I've got a pen and I got a phone"

You libs are just too funny to be taken seriously.

Booker, Warren, et al are tripping over each other grabbing political positions to fuel this country's stupidity and get themselves primed for election. Shumer gets the points though. He got teary-eyed in his grand skit, complete with a woman standing next to him wearing a Islamic headdress, while citing US CODE 11 82 as *unconstitutional*.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/01/29/chuck-schumer-emotional-trump-travel-ban-new.wcbs

...then, ignorantly, the liberal audience clapped in agreement and approval.

[BC]

Funny. Why didn't this statement appeared from you during Obama's merry pen and phone celebration, "I've got a pen and I got a phone"

You libs are just too funny to be taken seriously.

You're being funny defending Trump with 'apple and orangutang' comparisons.  Billy is right, the buck now stops with Trump.  Get used to it.

[BillyB]

I call your BS. Just 4 hours removed from this quoted post, you said: "Very few of those foreign terrorists are from the nations Trump put on his banned list".

Yes, it is Trump's list. What's BS about it? It doesn't matter if the list was recommended by his staff or started by Obama. It's Trump's list now and how he acts on it is his baby. Trump is now backtracking and doing damage control by clarifying what he meant yet you continue to deny he created a very expensive mess for those inconvenienced and this nation. More lawsuits coming up because Trump didn't include Congress in the decision making. I like a government that runs smooth. What just happened wasn't smooth. You think his executive action was executed beautifully? He needs to do more thinking before speaking or signing.

[GQBlues]

You're being funny defending Trump with 'apple and orangutang' comparisons.  Billy is right, the buck now stops with Trump.  Get used to it.

LMAO! With the mess created the past 8 years by that community organizer, indeed, Trump's got a lot to do to clean up his mess.

[JayH]

There is NO mess. What 'mess' are you talking about? US CODE 1182 is NOT a mess! Trump's latest TEMPORARY 'ban' is NOT unprecedented. Which part of this are you grappling with?

I'm glad I'm able to educate you a bit on this issue.

It isn't called an 'improvement'. It's called an amendment.

You are now at a point of clutching on straws.

GQ it is a mess . An ill thought thru mess.

A pointless mess in fact.

Attempts to defend the indefensible is a Trump speciality -- perhaps you should try for some alternative    " facts "

Really-- we all get it here--you and plenty of others voted for Trump  -- fine  -- but really  -- all of you need to be prepared to be rolling your eyes  often in the immediate future -- and spare us all the column reading of trying to tell us all  black is white ( no pun intended),

[GQBlues]

Yes, it is Trump's list. What's BS about it? It doesn't matter if the list was recommended by his staff or started by Obama. It's Trump's list now and how he acts on it is his baby.

You need to watch a little more MJ. Your moonwalk is still pretty shabby.

Trump is now backtracking and doing damage control by clarifying what he meant yet you continue to deny he created a very expensive mess for those inconvenienced and this nation.

Do you have citation to any if this? I obviously miss the part *Trump is backtracking and doing damage control*

More lawsuits coming up because Trump didn't include Congress in the decision making. I like a government that runs smooth. What just happened wasn't smooth. You think his executive action was executed beautifully? He needs to do more thinking before speaking or signing.

US CODE 1182 does not require Congressional legislation!

OY! You obviously need to do more reading.

[GQBlues]

GQ it is a mess . An ill thought thru mess.

A pointless mess in fact.

Attempts to defend the indefensible is a Trump speciality -- perhaps you should try for some alternative    " facts "

Really-- we all get it here--you and plenty of others voted for Trump  -- fine  -- but really  -- all of you need to be prepared to be rolling your eyes  often in the immediate future -- and spare us all the column reading of trying to tell us all  black is white ( no pun intended),

You must've missed your PM M Turnball endorsing and agrees with Trump's EO. Maybe Aussies need to start their protest against your PM? That small group of Australian showing support to Trump's executive action might actually grow even bigger. Your country, your business after all so no further comment from me considering your country's disposition towards illegal immigration, yes?

[JayH]

Without trying to labour my point  -- Aus Govt is  paddling under the surface to have exceptions created  --something that should have been considered prior to initiating action.( exceptions,discretions etc  in a general sense-not just Aus)

Common sense should have said creating chaos was not smart  -- in fact counter productive to a REAL achievement.

[GQBlues]

Good, since it's widely known and published the hardline stance the Aus govt and its population had taken against refugees, illegal immigration and asylum seekers - Muslim notwitstanding. So I'm confident further discussion about this is unnecessary.

[BillyB]

US CODE 1182 does not require Congressional legislation!

OY! You obviously need to do more reading.

America isn't in a situation where a president needs to take emergency action with US CODE 1182 like Carter did during the Iran crisis. Instead of making his decisions a BIG public show every time, Trump could quietly tell his State Department to tell their embassies there will be an improved vetting process like Obama did with his list of nations. I suspect Trump's ego wanted this action to go public so people know he's working hard! It's best he just keep some of the things he wants to do quiet so our tax dollars aren't wasted on a bunch of lawsuits.


Another option is to get the people's representatives, Congress, on board to improve the vetting process across the board. By giving the liberals an opportunity to be part of a plan to make this nation safer but allow good people in will keep them from protesting non stop. Trump advertised he can unite and make deals but so far he's the only one making the decisions. Trump keeps this up, it would be harmful for most Congressmen's careers, including Republicans, to work with him.

[GQBlues]

America isn't in a situation where a president needs to take emergency action with US CODE 1182 like Carter did during the Iran crisis.

How is the world any different now than it was on February 2016? Do you honestly believe the present time is not, or cannot be construed, as being in a precarious situation knowing we are admitting tens of thousands refugees lacking any cross referential database to enable us to fully 'vet' them? Outside of Iran, the other 6 nations cited does not have a functional government to be vetting them against. Feel free to inquire Germans and Swiss how they feel about that, will you? It is claimed they are *fully* vetted. The simple question is, from and against what? Personal interviews?

We need to have a much stronger/stricter screening process other than a box needing to be checked off when it asks: 'Are you a terrorist?' Do you wish to do harm against the United States?'

... Instead of making his decisions a BIG public show every time, Trump could quietly tell his State Department to tell their embassies there will be an improved vetting process like Obama did with his list of nations. I suspect Trump's ego wanted this action to go public so people know he's working hard! It's best he just keep some of the things he wants to do quiet so our tax dollars aren't wasted on a bunch of lawsuits.


Another option is to get the people's representatives, Congress, on board to improve the vetting process across the board. By giving the liberals an opportunity to be part of a plan to make this nation safer but allow good people in will keep them from protesting non stop. Trump advertised he can unite and make deals but so far he's the only one making the decisions. Trump keeps this up, it would be harmful for most Congressmen's careers, including Republicans, to work with him.

In case you missed it in your furious haste to Google, here's what I said almost 12 hours ago.

...The only thing I can criticize in this EO is DJT didn't lay out details and how to proceed with the EO. That's the only hole creating a lot of confusion. Further, even those with green card or citizenship can get wrapped up into this order and be lawfully detained. There hasn't been any information that details how this is going to be handled, IMO.

You are so focused into your own noise, you don't even know what your arguing about. There is a press corp literally 24/7 in the White House. It took 24 hours before the State gave details to the public (when I say 'public', that means the press) to explain the guidelines in this EO.

This is a moratorium. It is temporary.