"Generous, not greedy" on so many women's profiles

[msmob]

 Please excuse me for not knowing I had to go look at every post the OP ever posted to know that someone who mentioned something in THIS thread pertained to a prior thread. Unlike some of the people here, I do not follow every conversation here every day and have every thread anyone here started memorized. Sheesh!   

Hmm, as Boethius and LAman had already explained all this to you on page two of THIS thread ! ..

[msmob]

Pitbull thank you for helping me understand that I don't want to marry a Ukrainian girl, its so much better to use the place as an adult playground.

That is actually what it is for too many visitors .... If you'd just told us 'Sex tourism' will suit you fine  - when you realised you'd be found out - so quickly, afterwards - you'd have saved yourself a lot of anguish and gnashing of teeth on here..... 

[onlyFSU4me]

Hmm, as Boethius and LAman had already explained all this to you on page two of THIS thread ! ..

 Hmm, better look again... show me where Bo explained anything to me? If you plan on trolling someone you should try to keep your comments at least half fast correct. Another failed attempt by Moby! 

[msmob]

 Hmm, better look again...

Yes WE had..

YOUR msg 26 - where you ask Boethius why she had said , ''he won't find a quality woman based on what he presents is important to him.''

You had responses from LAman and Boethius - to which you responded, ( Msg 27) ...'' Ahh, ok. Didn't know he had other threads going. Thanks. ''

Yet you felt the 'need' to repeat your 'being confused' as to the reactions to RK's posts in msg 96 - to me..

"Please excuse me for not knowing I had to go look at every post the OP ever posted to know that someone who mentioned something in THIS thread pertained to a prior thread.''

So, did you not pay attention to the previous responses or are you just too lazy ?

'Excuse me' - but I interpreted your winky smile ending msg 96 as being humorous - I hadn't realised you were seriously demonstrating you were inattentive.

show me where Bo explained anything to me?

Have done, twice, now ...

 If you plan on trolling someone you should try to keep your comments at least half fast correct. Another failed attempt by Moby! 

The only 'fail' here is your inattentiveness.. 

[onlyFSU4me]

Yes WE had..


You had responses from LAman and Boethius - to which you responded, ( Msg 27) ...'' Ahh, ok. Didn't know he had other threads going. Thanks. ''

Look again Moby,  my response was to LAman's post ONLY because like I said, Bo did not respond to me.


 Looking more and more foolish every time you post Moby, why don't you just go back to your blah blah thread instead of dragging this one over there too? There is enough threads getting derailed on this board.

[Bee Farmer]

redking, what do you offer a FSUW?

From what I can ascertain, you seem to be approaching the pursuit of a FSUW from a financial perspective.  To put it bluntly, you are wanting to buy a wife.

You want a wife that is 10 years younger than you.
You want a wife who is an 8.
You want a wife who is fit and attractive.
You want a wife with a college degree.
You want a wife to help raise your daughter (who will teach your daughter the values you want your daughter to have.)
You want a wife who will be happy with a few shopping trips a year. ($6K-8K)

Am I missing anything?

And you think you can get this if you can offer the girl the opportunity to come to America and live a better American life?  You offer her financial security...and what else?  (Gee, it seems odd you haven't mentioned things like love and faithfullness and mutual interests?  I guess the girl being fit and attractive and having a college degree are more important to you than love.)

So what do you have to offer that you think is important to women?  Are you fit and attractive, an 8, etc.?  If so, why can't you find a comparable American woman, with comparable values?  Is it because the kind of girl you are looking for in Ukraine, a comparable American girl wouldn't give you the time of day?  What makes you want a FSU girl instead of an American girl?  There are single, fit, attractive American girls with a college degree here in America.

The general consensus is that if you want to pursue a FSUW, you need to be earning $100,000 a year to be able to support the lifestyle she will expect.  (She's used to seeing the opera and ballet regularly.)  You should expect to pay $20,000 just in the pursuit of her.  (Air fare, visits to see her, etc.)  And once you get her here to the US, that is when it gets really expensive.  Even if she has pretty good English skills, plan on it taking her at least 2 years before she will be able to understand and speak everyday conversations.  (And the older a lady is, the less likely she will know English very well.)  Plan on her not being able to work for a few years.  Even if she has a college degree, plan on that degree being worthless in the US.  She will have to return to college and get a US degree if she wants to continue working in that field.

If you really want to avoid gold diggers just looking for a mule to give them the American life, I would suggest that you find a FSUW you like, and then move to Russia or Ukraine and live with her.

And if you wouldn't bring a girl a Shania Twain CD (which may be difficult for her to obtain in Ukraine) as a gift because you are worried about the $20, then you can't afford to pursue a FSUW.  (A guy will spend $1000 on airfare, but won't spend $20 on something the girl likes.  Does that make sense?)

I consider myself to be frugal.  My pickup truck is almost 20 years old.  I wear Wranglers and Rustler jeans.  Wearing Levis and a button up shirt is dressed up for me.
I am friends with some Mennonites, which is also a very patriarchal culture.
I have a few fruit trees in my backyard.  I have given buckets of apples and pears to my Mennonite friends and people they know.  I have helped them butcher chickens.  I mentored one of their boys and got him started in beekeeping.  I have hired some of their kids do do odd jobs for me, and I give the kids nice Christmas presents if they work for me.  Women Mennonites have made comments about how generous I am, and not greedy like a lot of folks.

Are you willing to share your time with others?  If you had fruit rotting in your yard, would you find someone to share it with, or would you let it rot before you would give it away?   

Do you show care and concern for other people, even when you don't have to?  This is a part of being generous and not greedy too.  It is more than just spending money on others recklessly.

I would agree with Boethius and pitbull that this endeavor is not for you.  The FSU patriarchal culture is too different from your culture.  You value financial accomplishment too much.  You are more worried about protecting what finances you have, than worried about finding your true love.  In FSU culture, a man would spend his last 2 kopecks on the lady he loves.

And since you have a daughter, it should be asked why you are not married to her mother.  Have you ever addressed the issues which caused that failed relationship?  If not, you need to do that before you go looking for another girl.

[Bee Farmer]

redking, have you ever asked what a FSU woman wants?

So far your posts have been loaded all about what you want. (Can anyone say self-centered?)  And you are expecting a FSUW to satisfy your desires, simply because you offer her the opportunity to escape poverty and financial struggles.

But you are worried you will attract women who just want to use you for your money.

Do you see the problem?  You are looking for a girl who is attracted to financial security, but you don't want a girl who is just looking for money.

Don't lead with your wallet if you don't want to attract golddiggers.  (Thinking that you can get a wife because you can offer her financial security and an escape from poverty is known as leading with your wallet.)

Men in pursuit of FSUW often lead with their wallets because they have few other qualities to offer, or because it is the easiest way to act like they care about a girl.

[Trenchcoat]

redking, have you ever asked what a FSU woman wants?

So far your posts have been loaded all about what you want. (Can anyone say self-centered?)  And you are expecting a FSUW to satisfy your desires, simply because you offer her the opportunity to escape poverty and financial struggles.

But you are worried you will attract women who just want to use you for your money.

Do you see the problem?  You are looking for a girl who is attracted to financial security, but you don't want a girl who is just looking for money.

Don't lead with your wallet if you don't want to attract golddiggers.  (Thinking that you can get a wife because you can offer her financial security and an escape from poverty is known as leading with your wallet.)

Men in pursuit of FSUW often lead with their wallets because they have few other qualities to offer, or because it is the easiest way to act like they care about a girl.

I assume that this is what is meant by a sponsor? I see it mentioned a fair bit on dating sites that a girl states she does not want a sponsor, maybe because she get approach by so many older men suggesting this. Tough not sure how far the sponsor thing goes, whether just for sex/relationship or all the way through a marriage, kids, etc?

[msmob]

 Looking more and more foolish every time you post Moby,

Says the guy who CLEARLY can't read / won't English and check what Boethius posted before you ever posted daft

There is enough threads getting derailed on this board.

Quite a lot of them posters who tell folks they are 'foolish' while proving who REALLY is..

[onlyFSU4me]

Says the guy who CLEARLY can't read / won't English and check what Boethius posted before you ever posted daft

 Yes, yes, yes, keep on polluting this thread Moby, it's what you are best at.

[msmob]

 Yes, yes, yes, keep on polluting this thread Moby, it's what you are best at.

Says the poster who derailed it when asking me the same question Boethius and LAman had already made clear ?

I will not respond to your next 'excuse' and you can fill your boots with imaginative ripostes for your ignorance

[onlyFSU4me]

I will not respond

Thank you

[LiveFromUkraine]

 Yes, yes, yes, keep on polluting this thread Moby, it's what you are best at.

It's never moby's fault yet he is always involved.

[msmob]

It's never moby's fault yet he is always involved.

Do you have any pertinent point to make about RK or responses appertaining to this thread ... ?

If you want to make this another ''let's make stuff up about Moby'' thread it will surely be filed in the appropriate place ..

[LiveFromUkraine]

Do you have any pertinent point to make about RK or responses appertaining to this thread ... ?

I was going to ask you the same thing.  The last number of posts is you arguing about nonsense yet again.

[Bounder]

msmob, you have made it more than clear that you disagree with my attitude, my mentality, my everything including my intentions to have a pre-nup signed. I'm not you, I don't like you, I don't think like you. I'm going to do what I want. You are not going to change a single opinion of mine or a single thing I do. I'll tell a women about the pre-nup when I'm ready. If I want to wait until late in the relationship in the hopes she is too emotionally involved to back out, then I will. If I want to date her and 2 other women at the same time, sleep with them, then dump them I will. If I fall in love with a woman and treat her better than any man has ever treated her and better than any woman you have ever treated, and let her walk all over me, I will. I'm not seeking your opinion or your advice and I'm going to ignore anything you  say because I consider you a jerk and 2 time failure at marriage. So keep wasting your time standing at your holier than thou pulpit telling me how I'm a horrible person. I don't care.   

Hi RedKing, just wondering - since you are now at war with most of the members and you have clearly stated you don't want the advice or opinion of forum members, why exactly are you posting here?

BTW, FWIW - "frugal" does NOT have a negative connotation. I understand it as referring to a person who is careful not to WASTE money. Nothing wrong with that and I think any decent girl would appreciate such an attribute in a man.

[msmob]

I was going to ask you the same thing.

Try .. checking your profile ..  the number of posts where you discuss 'Moby's fitness to comment' - and in this one conceded to Boethius  - who pointed out to you - the relevance of my posts - is illuminating ...

The last number of posts is you arguing about nonsense yet again.

I totally agree my responses were to bollox not appertaining to this thread ... I even remember posting I'd not respond to the poster for whom comprehending English was an issue.. yet here YOU are ..

[LiveFromUkraine]

Try ..  the number of posts where you discuss 'Moby's fitness to comment' - and conceded to Boethius  - who pointed out the relevance of my posts - is illuminating ...

Does anyone know what this means?

I totally agree my responses were to bollox

Finally, you said something true.  I knew it was a matter of time.  You aren't the only one that can edit quotes. 

[msmob]

Does anyone know what this means?

Thanks for pointing out my omitting some vital words .. 

Finally, you said something true.  I knew it was a matter of time.  You aren't the only one that can edit quotes. 

You have exhibited that the truth would be unknown to you - unless it had teeth and bit you ..

Once again -  responding to your bollox is ruining another thread.. 

 

[redking11]

Oh yes, sweetie - do not forget to have your daughter read your posts and learn exactly how her daddy treats women. She will learn first hand what an upstanding man and what a great role model for little girls her daddy is 

Pitbull, we are taking about women that (per you) "view their youth & beauty as their greatest attribute & use it to attract the richest most generous man", in other words, these are not women, these are gold digging prostitutes & do not deserve to be treated like ladies. I am raising my daughter to be woman. She is not being taught to see men as little more than pay checks, she is being taught that she needs to be self-sufficient & stand on her own two feet, she is being taught that shopping is not an appropriate method of therapy & that fancy designer clothes are vain.

Well, you approach this in a completely shallow and transnational way looking to procure the hottest youngest piece of ass and spend waaay less than you would have to on an analogous quality girl in the US. You are a shallow MOB-ster and thus you will attract the same in FSU.

As to using the FSU women - go try. These women will chew you up and spit you out and you won't even understand what hit you 

Based on your very own descriptions of FSUW they approach marriage with a WM in the exact same way. You really are making no sense. You berate me for approaching this with the exact same thinking as a FSUW.  But really pitbull, have you ever asked yourself why would an American man go through the significant trouble, expense and even social stigma of dating a FSUW over an analogous AM if there were not advantages? What do you think those advantages are? Every man here whether he admits it or not pursues/ed a FSUW, at least in part, because he could get a "hotter younger piece of ass for less than he could an analogous local girl" So yes, FSUW have a cheaper buying price. Does that offend you? 

They are going to chew me up and spit me out? Please what are they going to do reject my advances and I'll be out a few hundred bucks? Big deal, no loss.

[redking11]

That is actually what it is for too many visitors .... If you'd just told us 'Sex tourism' will suit you fine  - when you realised you'd be found out - so quickly, afterwards - you'd have saved yourself a lot of anguish and gnashing of teeth on here.....

I didn't realize that the women there were all shallow gold diggers until pitbull told me. I thought I might be able to find a woman with values and character there, but pitbull assures me that all the women care about is how much money you will spend on them. That makes the FSU a less than idea place to find a wife and by defacto makes sex tourism the only reason to visit.

[BillyB]

pitbull assures me that all the women care about is how much money you will spend on them. That makes the FSU a less than idea place to find a wife and by defacto makes sex tourism the only reason to visit.

I'm not sure pitbull is trying to say all FSU women are gold diggers but is simply saying money matters.

A friend of mine has an American daughter age 19. She has a new America boyfriend that scares him and I agree based off his situation. He became disabled in the military and is working part time in a grocery store. He has 3 kids with no visitation rights by two different women and pays child support. He's doesn't have a driver's license or car. He has barely enough money to take care of himself. How's he to take care of a family? He's 10 years older but I told my friend that doesn't matter if he's a good person but he simply isn't in a good financial situation to start a serious relationship.

My friend's daughter is idealistic and thinks love will solve all problems. American girls can afford to date poor guys since they have earning potential in the workforce. They can date silly, irresponsible, men who's hobbies are increasing the number of tattoos and piercings on their body. FSU women grow up in an environment where they have to mature faster and learn to survive. They don't have time for BS from silly immature boys or men that can't provide for their families.

I told my friend money isn't the important thing in the world but it does matter and he should've done a better job at teaching his daughter to search for a man that is financially stable and dump the rest.

I don't see men and women using their money, character, brains, or looks to attract a better partner as good or evil. We are competing to obtain the best man/woman in our lives and if we have the tools to attract a better partner, we should use those tools.

[fathertime]

I'm not sure pitbull is trying to say all FSU women are gold diggers but is simply saying money matters.

A friend of mine has an American daughter age 19. She has a new America boyfriend that scares him and I agree based off his situation. He became disabled in the military and is working part time in a grocery store. He has 3 kids with no visitation rights by two different women and pays child support. He's doesn't have a driver's license or car. He has barely enough money to take care of himself. How's he to take care of a family? He's 10 years older but I told my friend that doesn't matter if he's a good person but he simply isn't in a good financial situation to start a serious relationship.

My friend's daughter is idealistic and thinks love will solve all problems. American girls can afford to date poor guys since they have earning potential in the workforce. They can date silly, irresponsible, men who's hobbies are increasing the number of tattoos and piercings on their body. FSU women grow up in an environment where they have to mature faster and learn to survive. They don't have time for BS from silly immature boys or men that can't provide for their families.

I told my friend money isn't the important thing in the world but it does matter and he should've done a better job at teaching his daughter to search for a man that is financially stable and dump the rest.

I don't see men and women using their money, character, brains, or looks to attract a better partner as good or evil. We are competing to obtain the best man/woman in our lives and if we have the tools to attract a better partner, we should use those tools.

well said Billyb.


Fathertime!

[fathertime]

FAthertime.

As I have said before, terms like frugal or tight are relative. I profess to being tight and in someways I am but in other ways I am not. I'm frugal in my day to day living but if I'm out of country or on vacation I don't waste it by not spending money. I'm probably in reality not much tighter than most the guys here. Would I buy my girl lambo or  Ferrari? No. but hey if she wants a nice lexis, mercedes, ect. not a problem. Is she going to get a grand every week for new clothes (52k a year)? No, but she can have a few shopping trips a year where she spends a couple grand (6-8k annually). Not a problem. Is she going to go to Europe 4 times a year? No, only once, maybe twice if there is a special family occasion. Does that sound overly cheap? If so? then let me know your opinion once then stop sharing it please.

Your reaction almost makes me think, you thought I was being judgmental with you, which I wasn't at all.  You have explained your intentions well enough...it sounds like you have enough money and will spend in a way that isn't overly cheap. 


Good luck,
Fathertime! 

[msmob]

I didn't realize that the women there were all shallow gold diggers until pitbull told me.

Pitbull told you, '' You are a shallow MOB-ster and thus you will attract the same in FSU.''   If you REALLY had the attitude you started with - you'll end up just as she describes ..

 I thought I might be able to find a woman with values and character there, but pitbull assures me that all the women care about is how much money you will spend on them. That makes the FSU a less than idea place to find a wife and by defacto makes sex tourism the only reason to visit.

Pitbull may be doing the fine ladies of the FSU a favour ? !

You. rightfully, got a bit of a kicking and I'm hoping you'll contact the type of lady you REALLY want, take a trip and find out if this endeavour is for you..