"Generous, not greedy" on so many women's profiles

[Boethius]

I hardly think asking for a CD makes a woman worth avoiding - it is not uncommon to buy a small gift - flowers ? - for the first date

I don't think it matters for the OP. From everything he has posted, his mentality is 180 degrees that of FSU mentality. Yes, it is easy to find a woman, but he won't find a quality woman based on what he presents is important to him.

[onlyFSU4me]

I don't think it matters for the OP. From everything he has posted, his mentality is 180 degrees that of FSU mentality. Yes, it is easy to find a woman, but he won't find a quality woman based on what he presents is important to him.

 Why do you say that? I went back and re read his posts and am not sure how you came to this conclusion. Can you explain please?

[LAman]

 Why do you say that? I went back and re read his posts and am not sure how you came to this conclusion. Can you explain please?

Go back and read the OP's thread 'Is this for me'. He is self a proclaimed 'frugal' man.

[onlyFSU4me]

Go back and read the OP's thread 'Is this for me'. He is self a proclaimed 'frugal' man.

 Ahh, ok. Didn't know he had other threads going. Thanks.

[Trenchcoat]

Go back and read the OP's thread 'Is this for me'. He is self a proclaimed 'frugal' man.

Great he can make it his mission to see how cheaply he can get a FSW 

[pitbull]

What does MOB mean?

In the U.S. women that admit they are looking for a man with money are seen as shallow "users" incapable of love. Which is not true, you can want money and still love the man. And I guess that in the FSU there is no such stigma. Though you would think that FSUW would be instructed by agencies on Western culture and how this is viewed by western men.

Interesting. Is a man that professes he wants a "9" two decades younger than himself  also seen as a shallow user incapable of love?

[pitbull]

Go into more detail please. Do these women expect nice gifts after one or two dates when you are still practically strangers? Do they feel entitled to nice gifts by virtue of being women or going out with you at all? Or does greedy mean the guy that refused to get a women a gift even though they are in a committed relationship?

If you want a model looking young woman, much younger than you are, you are expected to offer a lifestyle upgrade, nice gifts etc. Does not matter whether you are in the US and FSU.


Remember this universal rule: YOUNG BEAUTIFUL WOMEN ARE ATTRACTED TO YOUNG HANDSOME MEN THEIR OWN AGE. IF YOU ARE OLDER THAN THEIR FATHER YOU ARE EXPECTED TO COMPENSATE WITH $$$ TO ATTRACT THEM.


FSU women adhere to this rule much more than AW. After all they are not spoiled by feminism and all this "men and women are equal " BS and and see their youth and beauty as the most valuable attribute, just like a "traditional" woman is supposed to.

[fathertime]

Interesting. Is a man that professes he wants a "9" two decades younger than himself  also "seen as shallow "user" incapable of love"?

If you want a model looking young woman, much younger than you are, you are expected to offer a lifestyle upgrade, nice gifts etc. Does not matter whether you are in the US and FSU.


Remember this universal rule: YOUNG BEAUTIFUL WOMEN ARE ATTRACTED TO YOUNG HANDSOME MEN THEIR OWN AGE. IF YOU ARE OLDER THAN THEIR FATHER YOU ARE EXPECTED TO COMPENSATE WITH $$$ TO ATTRACT THEM.


FSU women adhere to this rule much more than AW. After all they are not spoiled by feminism and all this "men and women are equal " BS and and see their youth and beauty as the most valuable attribute, just like a "traditional" woman is supposed to.

I have to agree here, within reason.  If a guy is going for a very attractive younger woman abroad and she is also two decades younger, it is usually expected that he be generous with what he has in terms of bucks.  That doesn't mean the man is buying Ferrari's every two weeks, but he is generous with what he does have, and provides a lifestyle that corresponds with the fact that he presumably has a much younger, exceptionally attractive wife. 


We (Marriage seekers) often market ourselves using finances as a factor (Overtly or tacitly) so the ladies can use their youth/good looks as a factor.  If 'we' want a young beautiful lady, then 'we'..(Somewhat older man) can allure with our charm/personality/bald liver-spotted heads,  and of course our ability to keep the lady in pearls...so to speak! 


Fathertime!

[LiveFromUkraine]

If you want a model looking young woman, much younger than you are, you are expected to offer a lifestyle upgrade, nice gifts etc. Does not matter whether you are in the US and FSU.


Remember this universal rule: YOUNG BEAUTIFUL WOMEN ARE ATTRACTED TO YOUNG HANDSOME MEN THEIR OWN AGE. IF YOU ARE OLDER THAN THEIR FATHER YOU ARE EXPECTED TO COMPENSATE WITH $$$ TO ATTRACT THEM.


FSU women adhere to this rule much more than AW. After all they are not spoiled by feminism and all this "men and women are equal " BS and and see their youth and beauty as the most valuable attribute, just like a "traditional" woman is supposed to.

I still get a chuckle out of men saying they want a more traditional woman and then proceed to search for a decade plus age difference.  I don't recall that large of an age gap as being traditional.

[redking11]

You people crack me up. Let's get some things straight.

1. I am a frugal man.

2. In the thread "Is this for me" I said I would like a 9 but also pointed out that a 9 in my eyes is probably more like a 7-8 in the eyes of the guy I was talking to. It's also good to remember that that terms like frugal, greedy, generous ect are all relative and what I consider to be frugal you may consider to be normal. I consider paying cab fair or putting her in a 1st class train cabin to be normal. She may consider it generous based on her previous experience. The point is don't jump to judgement. 

3. In the same thread, I never said I wanted a woman 20 years my junior, that was assumed by others simply because I said I wanted a younger women. A younger woman in my eyes is 8-15 and closer to 10.

4. I would like to find a relationship based on true love and affection even if she is 10 years my junior, I hope it is possible.

5. These women have choices don't they. 1. Marry a hot hard bodies FSUM with little to no prospects and live in poverty their whole lives. 2. Marry a rich guy 20+ years older who they are not attracted to simply for the money (aka respectable prostitution) 3. Find a happy medium by marrying a well-off guy 10 years older for whom there is still some attraction and affection.

I sure as hell don't want to be with a woman knowing she feels nothing for me, and I'm not going after a woman 20 years younger. So stop claiming that I am you crackpotted dipwads, I never said I was going after a girl 20 years my junior and dare you to find a post where I did.

[redking11]

I don't think it matters for the OP. From everything he has posted, his mentality is 180 degrees that of FSU mentality. Yes, it is easy to find a woman, but he won't find a quality woman based on what he presents is important to him.

Thank you for the compliment. I don't look at the FSU and see much positive that I would want to emulate. It is socialistic, poverty stricken, corrupt, alcoholism and drug use is rampant. One of the few things that I regulary here that I do like about the culture is that people are blunt and straight forward which I appreciate. 

[Boethius]

So naturally, you're the happy medium.  LOL.  Self delusion is a grand thing.

I wasn't referring to an age difference, or beauty.  My observation is more about your attitudes, as evidenced in your posts.  If they are an accurate reflection of "who you are" and what's important to you, then I stand by my observation above.


BTW, drug use is rampant in the West, too.  Probably more so than in the FSU.

[msmob]

 Why do you say that? I went back and re read his posts and am not sure how you came to this conclusion. Can you explain please?

Goodness man, now I'm worried about your powers of observation

A couple of posts from RK was all it took .. 

[wallm]

Thank you for the compliment. I don't look at the FSU and see much positive that I would want to emulate. It is socialistic, poverty stricken, corrupt, alcoholism and drug use is rampant. One of the few things that I regulary here that I do like about the culture is that people are blunt and straight forward which I appreciate.

Stop right there. Do not pursue this. I doubt any FSUW would appreciate you acting like you are rescuing them from their lives. You have no shot with anyone desirable in FSU with that attitude.

[redking11]

So naturally, you're the happy medium.  LOL.  Self delusion is a grand thing.

I wasn't referring to an age difference, or beauty.  My observation is more about your attitudes, as evidenced in your posts.  If they are an accurate reflection of "who you are" and what's important to you, then I stand by my observation above.


BTW, drug use is rampant in the West, too.  Probably more so than in the FSU.

My attitude?

Look, you want to point your finger at me, while pitbull says things like "most valuable attribute" He speaks as if FSUW see their youth and beauty as a commodity which they barter away for money. That doesn't offend you? You criticize me but not his views? This leaves me baffled.

[Boethius]

pitbull is a FSUW.  She quoted your words to you, and is telling you how FSUW think based on what you posted.  Why should I criticize that?


All I'm telling you is that long term, if your attitude is as presented here, you are not going to have success with a decent FSUW. 

[redking11]

Stop right there. Do not pursue this. I doubt any FSUW would appreciate you acting like you are rescuing them from their lives. You have no shot with anyone desirable in FSU with that attitude.

I don't feel like I am rescuing them. I don't think FSUW are desperate to leave and in such poverty that they need rescuing. The way I see it, is that they are willing to leave for the right man under that right circumstances. I do not have the belief that they are without options.

I do have the opinion that I can offer them a better life in the US than most of them would have if they stay in Ukraine.

[msmob]

I do have the opinion that I can offer them a better life in the US than most of them would have if they stay in Ukraine.

When will you tell potential Mrs RK's that they will be signing a pre-nup ?

[wallm]

I do have the opinion that I can offer them a better life in the US than most of them would have if they stay in Ukraine.

If that isn't rescuing, I don't know what is. Most WM can offer them better life and it isn't a new observation from you. aim for a connection and love that grows from it rather than offering them better life. You will find a woman here a decade younger who would not bat an eye at your thinking but she wont be a desirable one.

[redking11]

pitbull is a FSUW.  She quoted your words to you, and is telling you how FSUW think based on what you posted.  Why should I criticize that?


All I'm telling you is that long term, if your attitude is as presented here, you are not going to have success with a decent FSUW.

The problem with everything that pitbull has said is that it was based on the mistaken belief that I am looking for a model 20 years younger. This is not true, I'm looking for an attractive fit women 10 years younger.

However, Pitbull saying that FSUW see their beauty as their most valuable attribute is disturbing. I have a daughter, I teach her that her brain, her personality and the way she treats others is her most important attribute. Not her beauty. I hope there are women in Ukraine that do not believe their "most valuable attribute" is their looks. On my profiles, I stressed wanting a woman that was intelligent and educated with a degree. I didn't say I was looking for a model. I want a women who takes care of herself and is healthy yes, but not a women whose life and self-worth revolve around her looks. I know myself well enough and an honest enough to admit that a marriage with a pre-Madonna/beauty queen would not work for me no matter how attractive I found her.

[Boethius]

And all irrelevant to my point.

[redking11]

When will you tell potential Mrs RK's that they will be signing a pre-nup ?

Probably early on so that neither of us waste our time. Why, do you have a problem with it? Oh wait it's none of your business and I don't give rats-rear what you think. Have a nice day and a better divorce.

[Boethius]

His point was about your attitude.  Your mentality is, as I posted, the polar opposite of FSU mentality.  So this is really a lost cause for you.  You can believe otherwise, I don't really care, just pointing out the obvious.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Probably early on so that neither of us waste our time. Why, do you have a problem with it? Oh wait it's none of your business and I don't give rats-rear what you think. Have a nice day and a better divorce.

Don't forget, Moby is going on his 3rd marriage.  Second marriage to a fsu woman. 

[Boethius]

His point is nevertheless valid.


Signed, poster in a first marriage.