"Generous, not greedy" on so many women's profiles

[Bee Farmer]

I assume that this is what is meant by a sponsor? I see it mentioned a fair bit on dating sites that a girl states she does not want a sponsor, maybe because she get approach by so many older men suggesting this. Tough not sure how far the sponsor thing goes, whether just for sex/relationship or all the way through a marriage, kids, etc?

A sponsor is comparable to what we in the West call a sugar daddy.  A man with money gives a pretty young thing financial help, and she is available when he wants sex.  She is basically a mistress.

There is no relationship.  It is a business transaction.

these are gold digging prostitutes & do not deserve to be treated like ladies. I am raising my daughter to be woman. She is not being taught to see men as little more than pay checks, she is being taught that she needs to be self-sufficient & stand on her own two feet, she is being taught that shopping is not an appropriate method of therapy & that fancy designer clothes are vain.
 

why would an American man go through the significant trouble, expense and even social stigma of dating a FSUW over an analogous AM if there were not advantages? What do you think those advantages are? Every man here whether he admits it or not pursues/ed a FSUW, at least in part, because he could get a "hotter younger piece of ass for less than he could an analogous local girl" So yes, FSUW have a cheaper buying price. Does that offend you? 

They are going to chew me up and spit me out? Please what are they going to do reject my advances and I'll be out a few hundred bucks? Big deal, no loss.

First off, how do you plan on teaching your daughter to be a woman, when you are unwilling to show respect for women?  Actions speak louder than words, and your actions show that you do not believe women are worthy of respect.  All they are is a piece of ass to you.

You clearly are delusional if you believe that men go looking for a FSU woman because he can get a hotter, younger piece of ass for less than he could get a local girl.

If you can only view women as nothing more than a piece of ass, you don't have any business pursuing a relationship.  Paying a prostitute is the only kind of arrangement you are mature enough to handle.

And anyone who believes you can get a FSUW for less than a local girl is clearly delusional.  It will cost you far more.

Yes, it is possible to get a younger, hotter girl from the FSU than you can find at home.  But if all you are looking for is younger and hotter, then plan on paying a hefty price tag.

The only way you will be out a few hundred bucks is if you never buy a plane ticket to go meet any of these girls. 

But if you want screwed out of a few hundred bucks, you may want to try www.anastasiadate.com because I am sure there are some younger, hotter pieces of ass there who would love to talk to you about your fantasies.

[GQBlues]

Fellas-

If you can't note redking's sarcastic responses to pitbull's post, best you find something better to watch on Hulu.

Pitbull's points are valid based on the context of the discussion. Redking's sarcasm are just that. He's smart enough to understand if GFEs and sex tourism is what he got out of this thread, he's better off staying at home to get these experiences here since he already declared himself a 'greedy (translation: frugal)  but a horny, dirty old fart that can ski and likes to fish.

No more fires to put out here folks...

[pitbull]

Pitbull, we are taking about women that (per you) "view their youth & beauty as their greatest attribute & use it to attract the richest most generous man", in other words, these are not women, these are gold digging prostitutes & do not deserve to be treated like ladies. I am raising my daughter to be woman. She is not being taught to see men as little more than pay checks, she is being taught that she needs to be self-sufficient & stand on her own two feet, she is being taught that shopping is not an appropriate method of therapy & that fancy designer clothes are vain.
 

Well if you see these women as "gold digging prostitutes" then you are merely a john. You are treating this as buying the cheapest hottest piece of ass available. You will find what you seek.


There is no way you are teaching your daughter to be an independent person who knows her self worth. Your real attitude towards women inevitably comes through in your everyday interactions and she will grow up seeing herself only worthy is she has youth and beauty to offer a man. 

[redking11]

Your reaction almost makes me think, you thought I was being judgmental with you, which I wasn't at all.  You have explained your intentions well enough...it sounds like you have enough money and will spend in a way that isn't overly cheap. 


Good luck,
Fathertime!

It's hard not to feel judged on this forum because that is 90% of what people do on here.

[redking11]

I'm not sure pitbull is trying to say all FSU women are gold diggers but is simply saying money matters.

A friend of mine has an American daughter age 19. She has a new America boyfriend that scares him and I agree based off his situation. He became disabled in the military and is working part time in a grocery store. He has 3 kids with no visitation rights by two different women and pays child support. He's doesn't have a driver's license or car. He has barely enough money to take care of himself. How's he to take care of a family? He's 10 years older but I told my friend that doesn't matter if he's a good person but he simply isn't in a good financial situation to start a serious relationship.

My friend's daughter is idealistic and thinks love will solve all problems. American girls can afford to date poor guys since they have earning potential in the workforce. They can date silly, irresponsible, men who's hobbies are increasing the number of tattoos and piercings on their body. FSU women grow up in an environment where they have to mature faster and learn to survive. They don't have time for BS from silly immature boys or men that can't provide for their families.

I told my friend money isn't the important thing in the world but it does matter and he should've done a better job at teaching his daughter to search for a man that is financially stable and dump the rest.

I don't see men and women using their money, character, brains, or looks to attract a better partner as good or evil. We are competing to obtain the best man/woman in our lives and if we have the tools to attract a better partner, we should use those tools.

That was well said BillyB, and I agree with you 100%The only reason I am being so facetious and flippant is because certain members on here jump down my throat every time I point out exactly what you just very tactfully explained. And that is, money matters. It isn't everything but it matters. It matters to the woman and it matters to the man. For some reason though every time I want to discuss how it matters to me, I get attacked.

No one on here seems to be willing to be honest and admit that the men are looking for a hotter younger FSUW  than he could get WM for a certain dollar amount and the women in the FSU are willing to settle for an older man in exchange for improved lifestyle. That 's the truth, and it is part cold business arrangement but except for extreme cases it doesn't mean there can't be genuine love and affection in the relationship.

I get attacked every time I mention that I want a prenup. They claim that no FSUW would ever agree to it. Ok great! Then why don't they leave it at that and let me learn my lesson? Because honestly, they aren't trying to protect the women, they are just angry people. Heck sometimes I don't even mention the prenup and someone like msmob will bring it up just to have something to argue about. Its pathetic really.

[redking11]

A sponsor is comparable to what we in the West call a sugar daddy.  A man with money gives a pretty young thing financial help, and she is available when he wants sex.  She is basically a mistress.

There is no relationship.  It is a business transaction.

First off, how do you plan on teaching your daughter to be a woman, when you are unwilling to show respect for women?  Actions speak louder than words, and your actions show that you do not believe women are worthy of respect.  All they are is a piece of ass to you.

You clearly are delusional if you believe that men go looking for a FSU woman because he can get a hotter, younger piece of ass for less than he could get a local girl.

If you can only view women as nothing more than a piece of ass, you don't have any business pursuing a relationship.  Paying a prostitute is the only kind of arrangement you are mature enough to handle.

And anyone who believes you can get a FSUW for less than a local girl is clearly delusional.  It will cost you far more.

Yes, it is possible to get a younger, hotter girl from the FSU than you can find at home.  But if all you are looking for is younger and hotter, then plan on paying a hefty price tag.

The only way you will be out a few hundred bucks is if you never buy a plane ticket to go meet any of these girls. 

But if you want screwed out of a few hundred bucks, you may want to try www.anastasiadate.com because I am sure there are some younger, hotter pieces of ass there who would love to talk to you about your fantasies.

Bee Farmer,

You do realize that my last several posts have been intentionally over the top, facetious, and flippant right? I am so sick and tired of certain people attacking me over every little thing that at this point I'm intentionally saying the most outrageous things I can think of just to piss them off and drive them nuts.

[GQBlues]

~ Timely article for this thread sent to me by my wife by Nicole Yi of PopSugar.com ~

Looks can hook a guy, but what is it that keeps them wanting more? After discussing the topic with some guy friends, my boyfriend, and even my parents, I noticed a particular trait that was consistent across conversations. It was agreed that the sexiest trait in a woman by far is independence.

Independent women are assertive, self-assured, and play by their own rules. They don't need anybody else but themselves to validate who they are. So when it comes to relationships, they're low maintenance as partners because they're busy running their own lives. They know when and what to give without being overbearing and have enough confidence to thrive on their own.

Here's what some of them said:

"It shows that they don't need me." - Jacob (27)
"Independence is attractive because it means they have their own thoughts and interests outside of me - creates a much deeper and interesting person." - Sam (26)
"To be independent, you have to have a lot of other good qualities. Like you've gotta have some sort of level-headedness, intellect, and confidence." - Marcus (27)
"Because you're creating your own path for others to follow." - Sunny (49)

On the opposite end of the spectrum, the biggest turnoff they said was neediness. It's a deal-breaker if she doesn't know how to be without her boyfriend. This can be in the form of expecting constant communication, not wanting to hang out with her own friends, or showing irritation when her significant other is unavailable. If this sounds like you, cut it out. You have to know how to be secure with yourself and in return, you won't need a man to make you feel complete. Whoever recognizes this about you will appreciate you as a partner even more.

But there's a difference between being self-reliant and playing hard to get. It's only a matter of time before that becomes old, and the chase is no longer fun or going anywhere. Independence is a characteristic, not a game. Men appreciate this quality in a potential partner because it proves you'll be a good teammate who can pull their own weight.

~ Good to know I am not the only one...likely this won't cut across with the male population on this board (hahah!)

[redking11]

Fellas-

If you can't note redking's sarcastic responses to pitbull's post, best you find something better to watch on Hulu.

Pitbull's points are valid based on the context of the discussion. Redking's sarcasm are just that. He's smart enough to understand if GFEs and sex tourism is what he got out of this thread, he's better off staying at home to get these experiences here since he already declared himself a 'greedy (translation: frugal)  but a horny, dirty old fart that can ski and likes to fish.

No more fires to put out here folks...

GQ, I had these people going absolutely nuts. I was finally getting a little revenge on a few jerks and you ruined my fun.

[pitbull]

GQ, I had these people going absolutely nuts. I was finally getting a little revenge on a few jerks and you ruined my fun.

No ody was going nuts except you. Go ahead go to the FSU - you will be had

[Boethius]

It's hard not to feel judged on this forum because that is 90% of what people do on here.

I did not judge you.  I just noted that based on what you have stated you believe is important, your values are not compatible with the values of the vast majority of FSU individuals.  It's neither a plus nor a minus. 

[GQBlues]

GQ, I had these people going absolutely nuts. I was finally getting a little revenge on a few jerks and you ruined my fun.

Well, just one tiny bit of information for you, redking...if and when you are able to meet that special someone in FSU you ultimately fall for, know this if nothing else - she will likely harness the same 'fire' pitbull and Boethius showed you here. If you react the same way to your future FSUW in the same way you showed us here, better have that pre-nup's ink well dried and crispy - cause you're going to need it.

Don't expect 'thank you', I'm sorry, It's my fault', etc...it doesn't mean they're rude, inconsiderate or anything we, here, in the west are accustomed to - but merely because the recent generation recently removed from the ol' soviet generation have had to be strong in their resolve to survive the environment at the time. I'm not saying all of them are like that. But you'll find out the odds are better than not.

[GQBlues]

I did not judge you.  I just noted that based on what you have stated you believe is important, your values are not compatible with the values of the vast majority of FSU individuals.  It's neither a plus nor a minus.

Off topic. I've always regarded Boethius as very articulate, and coming from a dude that has English as his 4th language, isn't a double negative a no-no?

 

[Bee Farmer]

Bee Farmer,

You do realize that my last several posts have been intentionally over the top, facetious, and flippant right? I am so sick and tired of certain people attacking me over every little thing that at this point I'm intentionally saying the most outrageous things I can think of just to piss them off and drive them nuts.

What you fail to understand is that is irrelevant.  A man who respects women would NEVER post the way you did, either being serious or in jest.  It's just your true nature coming out.  Does your methods of conflict resolution have anything to do with why you presently don't have a wife, even though you have a child?

I do find it quite telling that you have never answered my question of what you believe you have to offer that you believe women want.

I concur with Boethius that your cultural beliefs will not mesh with a FSUW's cultural beliefs.

Off topic. I've always regarded Boethius as very articulate, and coming from a dude that has English as his 4th language, isn't a double negative a no-no?

 

A double negative is a no-no, but using neither and nor in a sentence is not a double negative.  The construction is proper because neither was negative towards plus, and nor was negative towards minus.  They were not negative towards the same thing.

[GQBlues]

...A double negative is a no-no, but using neither and nor in a sentence is not a double negative.  The construction is proper because neither was negative towards plus, and nor was negative towards minus.  They were not negative towards the same thing.

Thanks a bunch!

[redking11]

Sigh.... Bee,

I am going to reply to your question. Why? Honestly I don't know, I owe you nothing. I came to this site to get a little information & guidance & instead all I get is criticism that I have a hard time ignoring. But before I answer I want to point something out. This thread was started so I could ask if the phrase "looking for generous/not greedy man" was FSUW code for I'm a gold digger. Why? because I see it often & not profiles Iof women I would like to contact but haven't. However, this thread has become all about me, & I owe neither you nor any other prick on here an explanation or justification. Now look at yourself. WhoTF do you think you are asking a complete stranger to justify what he thinks he has to offer a women? WhoTF are you to have said half the things you have said to me? Seriously, stop, no stop thinking, shut your mouth, go back and read what you wrote and imagine saying those things to a stranger in person. It would be beyond rude and extremely shocking. But it wasn't in person it was on a forum, the most rude, aggressive, uninviting forum I have ever encountered.

And there's the point, I don't act or speak on here the way I act in person, and I hope that 90% of the rest of the people here don't either, because I would kick you out of my office and permanently trespass you.  So here are your answers.

1. "What you fail to understand is that is irrelevant.  A man who respects women would NEVER post the way you did"  - Response : Are you really going to be that damn sanctimonious? I have made gay jokes, yet have close gay friends, racial jokes yet... Laughed a dead baby jokes yet never killed a child. Point made.  Tell your spouse to let me know when you die so I can petition the Vatican to have your holier than though ass canonized.

2. "I concur with Boethius that your cultural beliefs will not mesh with a FSUW's cultural beliefs." Response: To think that you sufficiently understand my cultural beliefs based on what I have said on an online forum makes you both arrogant and a fool.

3. "Does your methods of conflict resolution have anything to do with why you presently don't have a wife, even though you have a child?" Response: No, and once again, only an a$$ would ask this of a stranger, especially when the stranger didn't initiate such a personal topic with him.

4. "I do find it quite telling that you have never answered my question of what you believe you have to offer that you believe women want.: Response: First, let me take a playbook from this site. "off topic rant about the evils of generalizing all FSUW" ok done.  Now, I do not have the time nor the patience to answer every overly intrusive & personal question asked by every self-righteous judgmental prick & you're not special. Second, What do I have to offer a woman? Well, I have a great family & social circle that would welcome her, I offer love & affection. For a FSUW I offer a huge lifestyle upgrade w/ financial security. I'm told I am attractive, & I'm in much better shape than most men my age, I'm tal,l 6'2", and well put together. I'm active & offer a woman a life of fun activities.  I water ski regularly in the summer, snow ski 1-2 times most winters (depending on flu season), Most years I get in a scuba trip as well as one other general vacation. I have draw backs too. I work a lot for example, but that is beyond the scope of your already intrusive question.

5. Lastly, I just want to point out that if you go back and look at the post where you listed all the things I want from a woman. You lectured me about not mentioning love. Go to page 2. I did mention love and affection. You lectured me on not mentioning and obviously not caring about having common interests with a woman, look at page 4 in a reply to pitbull. I mention skiing, hiking, blues and brew, and 4-wheeling. In the end, you failed to mention these positive things, either you didn't see them or you didn't look. You have shown yourself to be a biased, holier-than-thou prick looking for a whipping boy. Instead of being a normal adult that either answered the question or moved on, you voluntarily and without request, began offering criticism and judgment to a grown man. If you walked by a couple strangers & overheard something would you really bud in & say 1/2 the things you have said to me? I hope not. Let's be honest, no one here seems able to shut their mouths & pass up an opportunity to tell someone how they are wrong or selfish or otherwise an evil pos in some way or another. Once again I pray that most of you are different in person. So go f**k yourself & please don't contribute to future threads of mine because I don't want your biased sanctimonious opinion, unless it actually relates to the question asked, then it is welcome.

P.S. I have an orchard too, I made hard cider a couple years ago. I also think bee keeping is awesome, I have an uncle that does it and I would love to get into it. 

[Bee Farmer]

I came to this site to get a little information & guidance & instead all I get is criticism that I have a hard time ignoring.

Don't ask for guidance if you can't handle constructive criticism.  If you want to be treated like an adult, quit being a whiny baby who is throwing a temper tantrum.

This thread was started so I could ask if the phrase "looking for generous/not greedy man" was FSUW code for I'm a gold digger. Why?

Why?  Because you are afraid they are golddiggers.  Have you read the guide Women from the East, Men from the West yet?  Maybe you'll learn something.

I'll give you another illustration of what can be meant by a generous guy who is not greedy.  If friends invite you to be their guest and join them for a barbecue they are doing, what do you take to the BBQ?  Do you show up with an appetite and thank them for inviting you? (You are their guest, and they didn't ask you to bring anything.)  Or do you show up with a bottle of wine, or maybe a dessert or snack to go with the BBQ?  The one who shows up empty handed, and who is looking for a free meal would be considered greedy.  The person who shows up with a bottle of wine, or a small gift would be considered generous.

WhoTF do you think you are asking a complete stranger to justify what he thinks he has to offer a women? WhoTF are you to have said half the things you have said to me?

I'm a member of a public forum responding to comments you made to everyone.  If you don't like everyone responding to you, learn to keep your mouth shut in public.  Don't ask for advice if you can't handle the responses.

Seriously, stop, no stop thinking, shut your mouth, go back and read what you wrote and imagine saying those things to a stranger in person. It would be beyond rude and extremely shocking.

If a stranger asked me in public for advice, given the information you had provided, I would have provided the same response.  It would not be rude or shocking.  You got what you asked for.

But it wasn't in person it was on a forum, the most rude, aggressive, uninviting forum I have ever encountered.

Acting like a whiny crybaby will not get folks to treat you any nicer.  Grow some thicker skin.

And there's the point, I don't act or speak on here the way I act in person, and I hope that 90% of the rest of the people here don't either, because I would kick you out of my office and permanently trespass you.

Real men speak on here the same way they speak in person.

Why would I ever be in your office?  I don't give my business to folks who act like you.

Response : Are you really going to be that damn sanctimonious? I have made gay jokes, yet have close gay friends, racial jokes yet... Laughed a dead baby jokes yet never killed a child. Point made.  Tell your spouse to let me know when you die so I can petition the Vatican to have your holier than though ass canonized.

It has nothing to do with being sanctimonious.  Just because you have gay friends doesn't mean you respect them.  Just because you laugh at dead baby jokes doesn't mean you killed babies - it just means you don't respect others.  Petitioning the Vatican is a waste of time, as I am not Catholic.

2. "I concur with Boethius that your cultural beliefs will not mesh with a FSUW's cultural beliefs." Response: To think that you sufficiently understand my cultural beliefs based on what I have said on an online forum makes you both arrogant and a fool.

The one who is arrogant and a fool is the one who believes that others can not understand his personality and beliefs from over the internet.

Response: No, and once again, only an a$$ would ask this of a stranger, especially when the stranger didn't initiate such a personal topic with him.

You created a public topic.  Now you deny initiating a topic.  I hate to break it to you, but this forum has a central theme about marriage.  (Supposedly successful marriages.)  Anyone who has had a failed marriage really needs to reflect on why that marriage failed (and correct any personal problems) before they go trying to mess up someone else's life.

Second, What do I have to offer a woman? Well, I have a great family & social circle that would welcome her, I offer love & affection. For a FSUW I offer a huge lifestyle upgrade w/ financial security. I'm told I am attractive, & I'm in much better shape than most men my age, I'm tal,l 6'2", and well put together. I'm active & offer a woman a life of fun activities.

If you're so great, why aren't you able to find a decent American woman?
Saying you are in much better shape than most men your age doesn't really say much, since most American men are not in very good shape.

I would encourage you to forget the thought that you offer a FSUW a huge lifestyle upgrade with financial security.  The only women who will respond to a guy with that mindset...are the gold diggers.

Unlike you, I have actually been to Ukraine.  I saw the mud huts and thatched roofs these poor pitiful women are living in.  Oh wait, I saw Ferraris and met several beekeepers who had a lifestyle that was comparable to a Western lifestyle.  I spent many hours on rural roads, but I don't recall seeing any mud huts with thatched roofs either.

I'll tell you a little secret.  It isn't the financial aspects that most FSU women are making a priority.  What they are really looking for is how they are treated by their man and by society.  They want to be respected.

Instead of being a normal adult that either answered the question or moved on, you voluntarily and without request, began offering criticism and judgment to a grown man.

Who do you think you are, that no one should offer judgement or even criticize you, since you are a grown man?  LOL  What are you going to do when your FSU gal starts criticizing you?  Or do you expect her to be a quiet submissive type?

If you walked by a couple strangers & overheard something would you really bud in & say 1/2 the things you have said to me? I hope not.

If it was a public discussion (like this forum) then they should expect members of the public to comment.

Let's be honest, no one here seems able to shut their mouths & pass up an opportunity to tell someone how they are wrong or selfish or otherwise an evil pos in some way or another.

Have you considered that that is a reflection of FSU mentality, of not sugar-coating stuff, and just telling it like it is.

If the shoe fits, then wear it.  If folks make you feel like you are an evil POS, perhaps they are simply allowing yourself to see your true reflection of who you really are.

please don't contribute to future threads of mine because I don't want your biased sanctimonious opinion, unless it actually relates to the question asked, then it is welcome.

Don't make public threads if you don't want anyone and everyone to comment.  If it's public, then everyone is free to post.

P.S. I have an orchard too, I made hard cider a couple years ago. I also think bee keeping is awesome, I have an uncle that does it and I would love to get into it. 

What is this passive aggressive crap?  First you get all hostile and throw a temper tantrum, and now you are trying to butter me up with this crap.  Sorry, but it doesn't work with me.

I encourage you to get into beekeeping.  I really do.  Can I watch?  Because if you approach beekeeping with the attitude you have shown here, the bees will tear you a new one.  Perhaps beekeeping will teach you how to respect others.

[pitbull]

Sigh.... Bee,

I am going to reply to your question. Why? Honestly I don't know, I owe you nothing. I came to this site to get a little information & guidance & instead all I get is criticism that I have a hard time ignoring. But before I answer I want to point something out. This thread was started so I could ask if the phrase "looking for generous/not greedy man" was FSUW code for I'm a gold digger. Why? because I see it often & not profiles Iof women I would like to contact but haven't. However, this thread has become all about me, & I owe neither you nor any other prick on here an explanation or justification. Now look at yourself. WhoTF do you think you are asking a complete stranger to justify what he thinks he has to offer a women? WhoTF are you to have said half the things you have said to me? Seriously, stop, no stop thinking, shut your mouth, go back and read what you wrote and imagine saying those things to a stranger in person. It would be beyond rude and extremely shocking. But it wasn't in person it was on a forum, the most rude, aggressive, uninviting forum I have ever encountered.

And there's the point, I don't act or speak on here the way I act in person, and I hope that 90% of the rest of the people here don't either, because I would kick you out of my office and permanently trespass you.  So here are your answers.

1. "What you fail to understand is that is irrelevant.  A man who respects women would NEVER post the way you did"  - Response : Are you really going to be that damn sanctimonious? I have made gay jokes, yet have close gay friends, racial jokes yet... Laughed a dead baby jokes yet never killed a child. Point made.  Tell your spouse to let me know when you die so I can petition the Vatican to have your holier than though ass canonized.

2. "I concur with Boethius that your cultural beliefs will not mesh with a FSUW's cultural beliefs." Response: To think that you sufficiently understand my cultural beliefs based on what I have said on an online forum makes you both arrogant and a fool.

3. "Does your methods of conflict resolution have anything to do with why you presently don't have a wife, even though you have a child?" Response: No, and once again, only an a$$ would ask this of a stranger, especially when the stranger didn't initiate such a personal topic with him.

4. "I do find it quite telling that you have never answered my question of what you believe you have to offer that you believe women want.: Response: First, let me take a playbook from this site. "off topic rant about the evils of generalizing all FSUW" ok done.  Now, I do not have the time nor the patience to answer every overly intrusive & personal question asked by every self-righteous judgmental prick & you're not special. Second, What do I have to offer a woman? Well, I have a great family & social circle that would welcome her, I offer love & affection. For a FSUW I offer a huge lifestyle upgrade w/ financial security. I'm told I am attractive, & I'm in much better shape than most men my age, I'm tal,l 6'2", and well put together. I'm active & offer a woman a life of fun activities.  I water ski regularly in the summer, snow ski 1-2 times most winters (depending on flu season), Most years I get in a scuba trip as well as one other general vacation. I have draw backs too. I work a lot for example, but that is beyond the scope of your already intrusive question.

5. Lastly, I just want to point out that if you go back and look at the post where you listed all the things I want from a woman. You lectured me about not mentioning love. Go to page 2. I did mention love and affection. You lectured me on not mentioning and obviously not caring about having common interests with a woman, look at page 4 in a reply to pitbull. I mention skiing, hiking, blues and brew, and 4-wheeling. In the end, you failed to mention these positive things, either you didn't see them or you didn't look. You have shown yourself to be a biased, holier-than-thou prick looking for a whipping boy. Instead of being a normal adult that either answered the question or moved on, you voluntarily and without request, began offering criticism and judgment to a grown man. If you walked by a couple strangers & overheard something would you really bud in & say 1/2 the things you have said to me? I hope not. Let's be honest, no one here seems able to shut their mouths & pass up an opportunity to tell someone how they are wrong or selfish or otherwise an evil pos in some way or another. Once again I pray that most of you are different in person. So go f**k yourself & please don't contribute to future threads of mine because I don't want your biased sanctimonious opinion, unless it actually relates to the question asked, then it is welcome.

P.S. I have an orchard too, I made hard cider a couple years ago. I also think bee keeping is awesome, I have an uncle that does it and I would love to get into it.

What a temper tantrum! Did you fall on the floor, scream and bang your head against the wall? Dude you won't be able to handle a FSUW
Are you bipolar by any chance?

[BillyB]

I get attacked every time I mention that I want a prenup.

I'm not one to think all prenups are bad. Protecting yourself doesn't necessarily mean one is greedy and selfish. Talk to an attorney about what you own and have him draft up a prenup splitting assets based on length of marriage according to state guidelines and most FSU women would think the prenup is generous because they don't get those kinds of rewards in the FSU in the event of divorce.

I dated an FSU woman who married a man because of the prenup he offered. We communicated on Mamba. She lived in Hawaii and I live in Washington State. I offered to pay for her ticket to stay with me and she did for a week. I learned an American man visited Ukraine and met her in the club. He offered her $5000 a month for life if she married him even if the marriage only lasted a few years. She married him and divorced early. She's set for life. I felt she was lacking in character and she never loved the guy so she only agreed to marry him because of a generous prenup.

[msmob]

No one on here seems to be willing to be honest and admit that the men are looking for a hotter younger FSUW  than he could get WM for a certain dollar amount and the women in the FSU are willing to settle for an older man in exchange for improved lifestyle. That 's the truth, and it is part cold business arrangement but except for extreme cases it doesn't mean there can't be genuine love and affection in the relationship.

)  Is this more of your 'winding us up' or are you daft enough to believe this, too ?

I get attacked every time I mention that I want a prenup.

You didn't mention it ..until I suggested you were the type to need one... and BOY did you bite...

They claim that no FSUW would ever agree to it. Ok great! Then why don't they leave it at that and let me learn my lesson? Because honestly, they aren't trying to protect the women, they are just angry people. Heck sometimes I don't even mention the prenup and someone like msmob will bring it up just to have something to argue about. Its pathetic really.

I just thought your statement below was telling..Hence why I knew you were the prenup type:

Quote from: redking11 on February 15, 2017, 09:01:55 AM
"I do have the opinion that I can offer them a better life in the US than most of them would have if they stay in Ukraine.''

I happen to think those needing one are as shallow as any lady ( FSU or not ) who'd be happy to enter such a biz agreement ....

[whynotme]

Second, What do I have to offer a woman? Well, I have a great family & social circle that would welcome her, I offer love & affection. For a FSUW I offer a huge lifestyle upgrade w/ financial security. I'm told I am attractive, & I'm in much better shape than most men my age, I'm tal,l 6'2", and well put together. I'm active & offer a woman a life of fun activities.

Обещать не значит жениться  Too many stories about unfulfilled promises. The newly minted wives hear "We can't afford it" too often from their American husbands. If you think they are asking for diamonds and designer bags, you are greatly mistaken. It is about extra $10 in Walmart or a full tank of gas (husband is calculating the miles). All the women I know told about a decrease in their standard of living in comparison with Russia.
My husband didn't promise even a tenth of what redking11 did. Undoubtedly, he's very stingy 

[wallm]

Обещать не значит жениться  Too many stories about unfulfilled promises. The newly minted wives hear "We can't afford it" too often from their American husbands. If you think they are asking for diamonds and designer bags, you are greatly mistaken. It is about extra $10 in Walmart or a full tank of gas (husband is calculating the miles). All the women I know told about a decrease in their standard of living in comparison with Russia.
My husband didn't promise even a tenth of what redking11 did. Undoubtedly, he's very stingy 

Didnt these ladies figure out what the man can and cant afford while on K1 visa, if in the US? I laughed at the claim their living standards decreased compared to USSR. i dont know them of course. But in general, i would think a middle class lifestyle here is better than middle class lifestyle in FSU. I dont think even a frugal american man would say no to extra 10 bucks in walmart.

[Fashionista]

I came to this site to get a little information & guidance & instead all I get is criticism that I have a hard time ignoring.

You got all the information and answers you needed. That's a common mistake of people who do not listen. They think that if they don't like the answer it's a wrong one. The take-home message is - don't go to FSU. Spend more time with your daughter.

[Boethius]

Didnt these ladies figure out what the man can and cant afford while on K1 visa, if in the US? I laughed at the claim their living standards decreased compared to USSR. i dont know them of course. But in general, i would think a middle class lifestyle here is better than middle class lifestyle in FSU. I dont think even a frugal american man would say no to extra 10 bucks in walmart.

The USSR has been gone for a long time. But, even if you looked at living standards in Soviet times, for tens of millions, they were comparable to the middle class in the West. And these days, Russians can very well have a comparable, or even better standard of living than Americans. 

[Fashionista]

Didnt these ladies figure out what the man can and cant afford while on K1 visa, if in the US? I laughed at the claim their living standards decreased compared to USSR. i dont know them of course. But in general, i would think a middle class lifestyle here is better than middle class lifestyle in FSU. I dont think even a frugal american man would say no to extra 10 bucks in walmart.

I can't speak for the entire "USSR" (how can I get there? by a hot tub time machine?) but my standards of living would be higher in Russia than here if I lived alone. The cost of life is only half in the town I am from, and my income is generated by my internet business which I can conduct anywhere I can plug my computer. I am netting on par with my husband and the taxes I gotta pay are lower in Russia. What I can buy in Walmart is garbage, breaks within a year or causes some health issues, and I can't afford this garbage. I am not rich enough to buy cheap poor quality stuff. By the way, I don't know what agency professional brides are writing (if it's them who writes anything), but the word "generous" has a much broader context. At least in Russia.

[Trenchcoat]

I get the impression a lot of FSW think country they are looking/moving to for a guy is going to be a big improve mentioned in every department. While many aspects may be better from where they come from I get the impression they don't realise that some problems/issues will be present in their new country. In UK for example their is a shortage of housing in most parts of the country, the health service is swamped with patients and it's not easy getting a well paying job even with a degree since nearly everyone has one. The weather is a bit better than FSU and it's near for any visit and there are some nice beaches around but it's not LA or Miami so not warm all year round. Stuff tends to last a reasonable time as that what consumer law protects you for - If you research what you are buying and are careful it can last a long time. Some guys will be able to alleviate some of these problems depending on the position they are in, some will not. Go to another country and other problems will be present.