Russian Women Grope

[TheHorseman]

Yes, Limey, we do kinda get it.

This is strange coming from a citizen of the most imperialistic nations on the planet.  BTW, American Presidents, unlike your British aristocracy, do not RULE us, they serve at our pleasure.  We can always boot the bastards out after 2, 4, or 6 years, you should try that with your queen and see how far it goes.

Unfortunately for you, most Americans do think the same as I do because we know that there is little outside our borders that isn't emulative.  Regardless of which party we may vote for, we are all Americans first, democrats or republicans second. 

I do hope Dan bans you, you aren't worth our time or the virtual ink it takes to refute your drivel.

I have to go with jb on this.  Americans are one big family.  We also do more to help the rest of the world than any other country.  You may look at one aspect of what we do and not like it, but if we just pulled the plug and stopped helping everyone, All hell would break loose.

Though I don't agree that banning you is the way to go.  If jb got banned everytime he said something out of line we would have anything to talk about.

[stepinnit]

Administrative Comment:
 For the time being this user will not be banned but will be on moderated status. We give everyone the benefit of the doubt until they prove different.

Thank you,
 Mod1

I *may* choose to place step in Moderated status - so that I have the chance to see the posts before they appear on the live board. Still considering this option.

Let me save you the trouble of wrestling with your conscience, my dear chap. Simply delete my account and this topic. I would be most happy to do both myself but lack the priveleges.

I wish you a most connivial evening and take this opportunity to thank you for your kind courtesy.

[DonAz]

Well thank you thank you thank you Step. I just won a $50.00 bet that you wouldn't last here 2 days .

Er Manchester, Step may be witty and he does write very well, but er not suffering fools well ?  ???  ?  ,  I take that to mean ..he must hate himself.

DonAz

[Mamma D]

I like others, I read several lists....and each has good sides and dark sides..

It is unfortunate that some problems have leaked onto this list.

By and large, we have been relatively freer of character assassinations.....Please let it remain that way...

These Fire fights benefit no one....If you have a problem.. PLEASE take it where it belongs...OFF LIST.

And before you ask....

I have a Russin born daughter and grandson... both ar awesome ... and it is my hope that all of you might enjoy such a family.

Mamma D

[BillyB]

Welcome Manchester,

What good is Step's wit if he keeps getting himself in trouble and banned? Not very smart after all.

[Stillkatn]

...still cheesed about that whole "revolution" matter, huh?

To quote Bill Murray-

"We're Americans...we were kicked out of all the good countries"

[wiz]

Americans are one big family.  We also do more to help the rest of the world than any other country.  You may look at one aspect of what we do and not like it, but if we just pulled the plug and stopped helping everyone, All hell would break loose.

Oh please ....

spare us from such profound statements!

The rest of the world does not think so! You are preaching to the converted!

Better stick to the subject of the board.

Banning Step is nothing more than admitting that the truth hearts and you don't like it!
That is the reaction of the intelectually challenged people of this board.

So far I have not seen any personal attacks by him. My only advice to him is Stop mentioning other boards here.

[Manny]

My only advice to him is Stop mentioning other boards here.

Why, is it a competition? The other boards are no secret, I know half the people on here from RWG anyway. Other boards are freely discussed there, often constructively.

Perhaps you meant 'stop slating other boards on here'? I agree that is pointless.

Just to pick up on a few comments by Horseman and JP (or JB?) above, about Americans etc. I realise that most members here hail from the US but is this just another board where you boys wave Dixie flags, slap each other on the back and generally congratulate yourselves about being American? - Of course you guys are welcome to do that, and are indeed welcome to your opinion, as are we all, but I did have a chuckle at one aspect of that - If the US and its people are so wonderful, are AW not equally wonderful by comparison and/or inclusion in that concept? Seemingly not, as we all here share a common interest that is RW! 

And for those of us that are familiar with Russia, we of course develop our own opinion of the society there and the political system etc, and human nature makes one compare it to our own countries, but for any US newbies reading this, if you go into Russia or into a social situation with a RW proclaiming about how wonderful Uncle Sam is, you will not be well received. Russian people are very good at criticising Russia and its failings but woe betide you if you join in! - Dont expect a RW to wave a Dixie flag just yet boys! 

As my lady is fond of saying, "I like England but I will always be a Russian girl"

[Jooky]

Wiz,

It's not in best form to throw out insults such as 'intellectually challenged" at the same time displaying poor reading comprehension and misspelling "intellectually". ;-)

'Step' was not banned from this board.

He was banned from another board, and not for the reason he gave here.

He did make repeated personal attacks on the other board.

He was banned for being a fraud, deliberately misrepresenting himself. I assume that members here doing the same would be banned as well.

Personally I found his placing false personal ads and corresponding to real Russian women (sometimes in an extremely mocking and condescending tone) for the sake of researching one of his satires distasteful and disrespectful.

Of course, that's probably not what he was doing at all, but it is what he claimed he was doing. If you're going to create an on-line fictional persona, it's best to not participate in the very activities your character criticizes. ;-)

I hope that's all clear to the intellectually superior! (or should I say intelectually?)

[wiz]

Manchester

I think is just common courtesy not to mention the other boards names here. That is all.

Jooky

I will remember next time to use the spellchecker.......for the benefit of the intellectually challenged!

Personally I am not interested what is going on elsewhere and transferring your arguments here is not in anybody interest especially for Dan!

[Manny]

Wiz

Many folk are here to learn and share information, in that learning process they will no doubt encounter other boards and resources anyway. (or they should) Unless boards have some commercial competition with each other, which I am not aware that the popular ones have, I fail to see what difference it makes. If I saw a thread on RWG that I thought was relevant to a topic being discused here I would post a link to it for example. (assuming its within the rules) I dont see that as not being courteous.  ???

Jooky above for example is a mod at RWG, should that be a secret? Should other boards and resources be secret or mentioned in hushed tones? I dont think so! - the net is about information sharing and acquisition.

Maybe you have spent too long in Russia and the censorship tendency is rubbing off on you? 

[wiz]

Manchester

Must be the "sunny" actually Raining weather up there that made you miss the point that I am making.......LOL

Never mind is not my board..... it is Dan's problem to enforce the rules.

It was only 5 days I spent in Russia back in 2004 but I am planning to go back again later this year for long time........10 days. LOL

Now 35 years living in the South of England must have some influence in my way of thinking.

Don't you agree?

PS: Been to Ukraine over 10 times.....

[Manny]

Yes I guess it must Wiz!    My Dad lives in the South West and I often tell him he has become a southerner in his outlook!

Now I have never been to Ukraine, it is one of the parts of FSU I never made it to, glad to hear that you are going back to Russia proper this year, dont forget to take some decent tea bags with you! 

PS - It is sunny in Manchester today, I even have the A/C on!

[Admin]

Wiz

Many folk are here to learn and share information, in that learning process they will no doubt encounter other boards and resources anyway. (or they should) Unless boards have some commercial competition with each other, which I am not aware that the popular ones have, I fail to see what difference it makes. If I saw a thread on RWG that I thought was relevant to a topic being discused here I would post a link to it for example. (assuming its within the rules) I dont see that as not being courteous.  ???

Jooky above for example is a mod at RWG, should that be a secret? Should other boards and resources be secret or mentioned in hushed tones? I dont think so! - the net is about information sharing and acquisition.

Maybe you have spent too long in Russia and the censorship tendency is rubbing off on you? 

Manny,

I appreciate Wiz's comments. Yes, the internet is about information - but that does not mean that people are completely unfettered of moral constraint. In the case of RWD, we have worked (by "we" I mean all the members who make up RWD, as well as the management and owners), VERY hard to create the very best source of information, and the most friendly and intuitive venue for people interested in, or involved with, women from the FSU. It would be rather rude for someone to come here and intentionally (or unintentionally) drive traffic away from RWD - especially if the information being sought could be found right here. For someone to do that - come onto RWD and promote alternative boards - would be rude and inconsiderate of the venue that has been created here. It would demonstrate wanton disregard for the people who host THIS board. I liken it to a rude drunk who visits their neighbor's party - and busies himself by running around to all the party-goers and tells them to go down the street to a DIFFERENT neighbor's party.

Some feel the internet removes the shackles of self-restraint. I do not. I continue to believe there is, or should be, a modicum of self-control and consideration for the venues in which we find that information you spoke about.

Make sense?

- Dan

[Mamma D]

<<<<..still cheesed about that whole "revolution" matter, huh?

To quote Bill Murray-

"We're Americans...we were kicked out of all the good countries">>>>

Now, I did live in your country in the years just after the war...

I did see London bombed and burned....

I did have a bomb crater next door...

AND everywhere I went I met great people.... getting along, still on rationing and all of them were wonderful examples, of the indomitable sport the British are well known for...

S OOOOOOOOOO what happened to you   

Mamma D
P.S. I think the Americans helped "save the King"....and his lands!   

[BigG]

This is simply unbelievable.  I exit the other Board today, log on here, and guess what, I get to see all the horsespit replayed again.

US versus UK:  Please cease and desist.  Aside from driving on different sides of the road and funny accents (hey I'm from New York and think that people from Brooklyn have a funny accent!) both countries have a relatively common ancestry.

I happen to like Monty Python and Benny Hill humor and appreciate sarcasm.  However just like differences in the FUS and Western cultures, there are differences in the US and UK cultures!

Let us all concentrate on the purpose of the Board, have some fun, and enjoy life without getting our cockles twisted.

[Manny]

Dan

I was not talking about driving traffic away and since so many people here also peruse the other boards as well I dont see a bit of cross referral as a bad thing. Many will probably read it anyway.

Indeed 5 mins ago I was reading a comment on RWG (not penned by me I might add) that referred to your comments on this very subject, complete with links!   (I would put a link to the link but you wouldnt approve surely?)

Also I dont agree that all information can be found here - with a broader spectrum of posters that do not cross inhabit several boards, people may just find the info they want elsewhere but that would not prevent them from coming back here.

Also, perhaps all information can be found here if you are American, but Europeans maybe need to look across several boards if looking up regs for example or visa issues as much info here is unique to US citizens, K1 visas etc, green cards and AOS things we dont have.

If the rules here define no outside links then fine but without outside links you only get the opinion of a minority surely?

So outside links are OK unless they point to other boards? Or are outside links not allowed full stop? Or are board links OK with the rules but you personally dont approve? What is the official line on this here please?

Again, I was not referring to posting multiple links to divert traffic, I was referring to for example if there was a discussion on a particular issue, and lets imagine it was going nowhere, what would be wrong with somebody saying "hey this was discussed last month on forum x, it may have what you need, heres a link, hope it helps"

The attitude you seem to have on this issue is akin to switching the channel to the BBC and then removing the tuning knob! - If the BBC is that good (as they say they are) then youwould go back there anyway as the content is better.

If you have confidence in this board, its members and the contents herein, as you proclaim, you would surely be happy to allow outside links to other boards, as everyone would flock back here anyway?

[Admin]

Manny,

For the record, here is the policy which I posted about this topic some time ago -- http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=2034.0

My explanation of the situation is, quite simply, how I feel about things. I could, and have in the past, ignored the issue and made the assumption that users will ultimately arrive at the 'right' conclusion themselves, but after witnessing some pretty scurrillous behavior by some, elected to commit my thoughts to writing, hence, the policy linked above.

To be fair, I had a lengthy discussion with the former owner of the oldest foreign bride discussion board on the internet. Patrick is the former owner of GoodWife and Planet-Love - both of which have been active since 1997 - and was the original board I posted on for some years. Patrick pointed out that I too, had made the decision to create a board which was, at least in part (the Russian part) competing with his board. He also recognized, and complimented the fact that I never once went to his board to promote mine. I was *always* respectful of the fact that Patrick has spent his money and time and energy and talents to create a virtual 'sandbox' in which I was allowed to play with all the other mates who chose to share the sandbox which Patrick had created for us. I *never* assumed that Patrick had ANY obligation to allow or facilitate the open sharing of information which would drive others to different forums. I continue to believe that such behavior is rude and inconsiderate. Nothing anyone will say will change my mind. There is simply no question, in my mind at least, that for people to come onto one site and post links to an alternative site - is rude. When I started RWD I did not engage in such practices. It simply never occurred to me to do that.

If someone wants to come to RWD - then come here to participate and be a contributing member of the community here. If you want to be a contributing member of a community elsewhere - then by all means, go THERE and participate - but do not come to RWD expecting to be welcomed if your posts direct people to alternative sites. It is non sequitor.

To follow your logic to its end, you essentially are suggesting (or stating) that RWD should feel it OK for people to come here - take advantage of the internet space created here - consume the wealth of information which is available here - AND - be allowed to utilize this space to direct people elsewhere - and have little or no regard for the time, money, effort and talent which has gone into creation, maintenance and cultivation of this site. I just simply do not agree with that logic.

So in my mind it is really pretty simple - it is a matter of courtesy - and if you wish to be a member here - then do so. We welcome your participation and contributions. If there is superior information elsewhere (which is NOT the same as saying there is "relevant" information elsewhere), then you are encouraged to offer that to RWD members by posting links to that information. You used the example of visa and immigration information - well, there are often links to places like visajourney or the BCIS websites. Those are encouraged because they focus on a narrow range of specialties and may have more timely information than we do here. Same for travel information - Delta's website is often linked - as are Scope Travel and others. Same for scammer blacklists or russian-language forums for women - links to those types of sites are often referenced here.

Finally, your post was filled with numerous questions. Most, I trust, are answered in these posts and in the policy I referenced above. Please note that the Terms of Service which you expressly accepted when you registered ALSO identifies the formal policy on this topic.

If you have any other questions, I am happy to reply.

- Dan

Dan

I was not talking about driving traffic away and since so many people here also peruse the other boards as well I dont see a bit of cross referral as a bad thing. Many will probably read it anyway.

Indeed 5 mins ago I was reading a comment on RWG (not penned by me I might add) that referred to your comments on this very subject, complete with links!  (I would put a link to the link but you wouldnt approve surely?)

Also I dont agree that all information can be found here - with a broader spectrum of posters that do not cross inhabit several boards, people may just find the info they want elsewhere but that would not prevent them from coming back here.

Also, perhaps all information can be found here if you are American, but Europeans maybe need to look across several boards if looking up regs for example or visa issues as much info here is unique to US citizens, K1 visas etc, green cards and AOS things we dont have.

If the rules here define no outside links then fine but without outside links you only get the opinion of a minority surely?

So outside links are OK unless they point to other boards? Or are outside links not allowed full stop? Or are board links OK with the rules but you personally dont approve? What is the official line on this here please?

Again, I was not referring to posting multiple links to divert traffic, I was referring to for example if there was a discussion on a particular issue, and lets imagine it was going nowhere, what would be wrong with somebody saying "hey this was discussed last month on forum x, it may have what you need, heres a link, hope it helps"

The attitude you seem to have on this issue is akin to switching the channel to the BBC and then removing the tuning knob! - If the BBC is that good (as they say they are) then youwould go back there anyway as the content is better.

If you have confidence in this board, its members and the contents herein, as you proclaim, you would surely be happy to allow outside links to other boards, as everyone would flock back here anyway?

[jb]

Dan,

Sometimes I feel as though our friends from across the pond believe we Americans are part of the *Cultus Diabolicalus*, and are hogging the show regarding RWs.  I would be remiss if I failed to mention that they are perfectly free to begin and to host their own UK based board.  They might even have a few AM join their community.

However, right now this fourm belongs to you and you get to set the rules.

[Manny]

More Anti UK posts JB?

And a fellow Brit that posts here told me only yesterday that you were a very nice chap!

Hogging the show regarding RW?  - Since you have been married to one for years and I am engaged I hardly think thats an issue do you? Maybe you just have a bee in your bonnet about us since that post of Strepinnit's you replied to talking of "limeys" that I picked up on?

You sprouted all your pro US B/S on that post and I asked you if you wanted to start a UK/US flaming war and suggested it may not be productive to this board............. yet here you are again?!?!?!?

You also proudly boasted to be "one of the most prolific posters on this board" - Do you want a medal? I may be 20 or 30 years younger than you my friend but I can more than keep up with you in grey matter! And as for "our friends across the pond" I have never had such an unfriendly welcome on a board - ever - as I have here, and YOU were my first reply!

Welcome to a US board eh?    they are perfectly free to begin and to host their own UK based board. - Is this your board? Or is it Dans? Do you claim part ownership due to your many posts? There are many Brits on this board - are you so anti social to all of them? I can see we will have some fun on here JB! 

[Admin]

No, I do not desire for the board to be US-centric. My intent is to be all-inclusive. That is, in fact, part of the rationale for opening International language sections of the board - and inviting others to be established as the interest level and need arises.

My take on the US - UK thing is that is falls into one of those political exchanges that invariably devolves into a pissing match with no clear outcome except for a lot of injured feelings all-around. I have some wonderful friends made when I was traveling to Swindon almost weekly back in the late 90's.

Manny, stick around. Things really are pretty friendly here - and we do manage to co-exist peacfully with people from all walks of life.

Cheers!

- Dan

More Anti UK posts JB?

And a fellow Brit that posts here told me only yesterday that you were a very nice chap!

Hogging the show regarding RW?  - Since you have been married to one for years and I am engaged I hardly think thats an issue do you? Maybe you just have a bee in your bonnet about us since that post of Strepinnit's you replied to talking of "limeys" that I picked up on?

You sprouted all your pro US B/S on that post and I asked you if you wanted to start a UK/US flaming war and suggested it may not be productive to this board............. yet here you are again?!?!?!?

You also proudly boasted to be "one of the most prolific posters on this board" - Do you want a medal? I may be 20 or 30 years younger than you my friend but I can more than keep up with you in grey matter! And as for "our friends across the pond" I have never had such an unfriendly welcome on a board - ever - as I have here, and YOU were my first reply!

Welcome to a US board eh?    they are perfectly free to begin and to host their own UK based board. - Is this your board? Or is it Dans? Do you claim part ownership due to your many posts? There are many Brits on this board - are you so anti social to all of them? I can see we will have some fun on here JB! 

[Stillkatn]

I love the UK folk!  Seriously, very cool, reserved - mature - total class acts!  But as Americans - for better or worse - we tend to take things personally, you hammer one - you bet we will take sides. 

So, lets leave this one alone - agree to disagree if you will.  IMHO , I want to learn from the UK guys as well!  If we had an all-American board, it would only be a matter of time until we started shooting at one another (another American trait).

Peace?  Okay? I don't want to get torn down going through Gatwick again...

[wiz]

I love the UK folk!  Seriously, very cool, reserved - mature - total class acts!  But as Americans - for better or worse - we tend to take things personally, you hammer one - you bet we will take sides. 

So, lets leave this one alone - agree to disagree if you will.  IMHO , I want to learn from the UK guys as well!  If we had an all-American board, it would only be a matter of time until we started shooting at one another (another American trait).

Peace?  Okay? I don't want to get torn down going through Gatwick again...

While I agree with everything you say above I have to also voice my disappointment regarding the WELCOME made to us on this board.

Oh yes we can create a UK based board in 1 hour but why bother when there is one here running already with many members?

Don't forget the Britts are very reserved and don't like talking publicly about personal matters!

The slightest criticism of an American poster and everybody is coming out blazing guns.....and you calling Americana's friendly folk?

We are here because we like to read other peoples experiences and of course post our views too!

We all learn from one another..... but in general I am disappointed with the attitudes coming from USA.

Not to worry coming through Gatwick. Just PM and I will come down (only 10 minutes away) to start shooting you.......with English beer! Any Time!

[Bruno]

You also proudly boasted to be "one of the most prolific posters on this board" - Do you want a medal?
...
Welcome to a US board eh?    they are perfectly free to begin and to host their own UK based board. - Is this your board? Or is it Dans? Do you claim part ownership due to your many posts? There are many Brits on this board - are you so anti social to all of them? I can see we will have some fun on here JB! 

If a medal is given to the more prolific posters on the board, the medal will be in the hand of a European citizen, me 

If we see the forum in his totality, we have a lot of active poster who are not located in US... by example Coco, Shadow, Bruno, BC, Andrewfin, etc ... And one of the moderator, Steph is from UK...

In place of fight each other, it will be better to concentrate on the real subject from the forum who is "russian women" 

[Manny]

I quite agree Bruno! 

Well diffused Dan and thanks for the welcome! 

Wiz - I felt like a lone voice before, I am glad it was not only me that got this impression.

JB - If you wish to continue with your UK japes and jibes, might I suggest we move it over to PM or e mail to save these good people the boredom of reading it?