To the Pearl of the Black Sea

[treadmilldude]

JayH, do what I did 15 minutes ago - put Trenchcoat on your ignore list. Problem solved. Case closed. Good Bye Trenchcoat see ya' wouldn't wanna be ya'.

It is obvious when Trenchcoat starts threads like this, he is not actually searching for answers to a legitimate question. Rather, he is simply   T-R-O-L-L-I-N-G   Russian Women Discussion and trying to get the members here angry and upset....well, TCoat was successful Jayh, because he got you upset, Nightwish upset, Moby upset and several others upset as well. Trenchcoat is simply trolling Russian Women Discussion and trying to get everyone angry and upset. I have read the RWD Terms of Service a few times, and I could have sworn that somewhere in that legal stuff, it specifically spells out that what Trenchcoat is doing -   T-R-O-L-L-I-N-G   -  violates these Terms of Service. Don't let him do that to you Jay. Just put him on your Ignore list and the problem is solved. No more Trenchcoat once he is on your ignore list, Jay. Likewise, Ignore list is extremely effective for other members whose posts you do not wish to read. I now have  (4)  guys on my ignore list (Trenchcoat is #4) and that saves me time each day.

I was going to also put ML on my ignore list, but that crazy comedian threatened to come over to my home and do an all-night stand-up comedy routine if I did that. I just couldn't take 8 hours of ML comedy, I would die from laughing too hard. So I refrained from putting Mr. Ochka on my ignore list. Damn, wish he wasn't so funny. Wallm told me through PM that ML is not funny and has a crap sense of humor.

[Trenchcoat]

You have been repeatedly told your comments and conclusions are inane-  yet -- you keep repeating them.
I posed a question to you --- why?--  because your stuck on a view that you can "get" a girl on the cheap , and spend nothing in the process -- all based on the idea in your head that girls are desperate because Ukraine is so "poor"   !!
What you don't seem to get  is so are you !!Let's see how you fit in here!!
So-- answer my question

Re: To the Pearl of the Black Sea
« Reply #249 on: Today at 12:17:57 AM »

The answer is I own a small city car as it is both cheap to run and I prefer the small size for parking. I own it outight,  I never needed a loan to buy it.

Possibly some of the owners of the cars featured are up to their neck in debt, some possibly not. Outside the city centre there are no doubt less cars and less expensive cars. When I journeyed by bus to Nikolaev from Odessa this tended to be the case. Some women of course may not drive as they don't earn the money to afford to, this is the case with the girl I was with last.

Sure I am not as wealthy as I would like to be. To some Ukrainiansort I am pretty wealthy to others perhaps not all that wealthy. It all depends, the last girl I was with I was very wealthy in comparison. Even then her family as a whole were not totally without wealth, her parents moved into what was there patents home on thE outskirts of town. I never saw a photo, only of the grounds but it looked like there was a bit of land there. That said land/housing will be way cheaper out there to the UK. She was sharing a rented two bed apartment with her sibling in a tower block in town. Her pay was typically low for retail put there. I can take home ten times her salary by just doing part time work of say 30 hours a week on basic pay. For sure not all Ukrainians are poor but the majority are. More I think than a decade ago since war & financial crisis hit. The war in particular I think is a constant drain on Ukraine's economy and I think while it continues their economy will continue on a downward slide.

[Jumper]

TC, for what it's worth Ukraine is a cash economy. Most things people have they own outright, including homes,flats ,or cars.
That said ,financing has come a long way there the last decade.
So some cars,etc  may be financed.
 Prior it was unlikely, and the rates so high as to be ridiculous
  Also many flats and dachas were handed down through from soviet times. Perhaps then sold to upgrade etc.
My mil lives in the same flat they lived in during soviet times.
My wife rented a home in the suburbs not much different than my area.

[treadmilldude]

If you go back to the beginning of his posts, he admits to only making about $38K US per year. I commented at the time  that TCoat was absolutely insane for attempting to find a Slavic Bride, court her, marry her, bring her to Canada, and support her plus their 1 or 2 Children he states he would like to have, on a single very small, inadequate salary of only $38K Us per year.

Manny and I had some really good chats a year and half ago. Manny was crystal clear that any man who makes less than $85K/year has no business trying to do this....Trenchcoat's $38K per year.....ummmmm  - NO - it's just not going to get it done.  And then Manny explained why less than $85K is not good enough when he itemized all the expenses this journey entails. Manny was 100% accurate, I do not think it can be done by a man who makes less than $85K per year (by the way the self-admitted Communist Darth Budda stated he makes less than $30K per year as a Construction worker...call me crazy, but I do not see how he can support himself, his Daughter plus her on a SINGLE salary of less than $30K per year....unless he intends on living off the back of Uncle Sam on government assistance to support him, his Wife and Daughter. The US is not a cheap country to live in by any means. I am shocked Darth Budda is attempting this on a construction worker's less than $30K per year salary.

These guys (Darth Budda and Trenchcoat) are going to fall flat on their faces eventually - these poor Ukrainian women are going to go from living a life of poverty in Ukraine.....to a life of poverty in the UK / US. How is that any better for these Ukrainian women? The Ukrainian woman that TCoat eventually marries - that poor woman would actually be far better off staying in Ukraine and marrying a Ukrainian Man. She is not going to be any wealthier by marrying Tcoat and moving to the UK. If TCoat is  lying  to these Ukrainian women, promising  them a much better standard of living in the UK if they marry him......I am sorry but that is immoral and reprehensible behavior on his part and he should be ashamed of himself.

I will say it again, TCoat should not be searching in the FSU for a Wife, he doesn't make enough money to play this game. Him lying to his future Ukrainian Wife, promising her a life of luxury.....that is morally reprehensible behavior on his part. He is going to ruin some Ukrainian woman's life.

He'd be much better off, going back to school, getting a BS in STEM or Nursing, then following that up with his Masters Degree in either STEM or Nursing (ie FNP or ACNP). Wait, scratch the Nurse Practitioner suggestion, I just realized we are talking Great Britain here.....crappy awful terrible horrible socialized medicine where Doctors make a shit salary and Nurse Practitioners make a shit salary (No $59 per hour with an extra  (17)  Hours/week  time and one half $88.50/Hour overtime for NP'ers in Great Britain.) Ohhhhh the joys of Socialized Medicine!! (Moby and Kiwi will jump in here right now and explain why socialized medicine is so wonderful  Just teasing guys.  )

Anyways, Western guys on a very small salary like TCoat, as Manny brilliantly explained, should limit their search for a Wife to their own country and not venture into the FSU.

JayH, you are absolutely correct in questioning his earnings....Trenchcoat does not make enough money to be doing this. Why does TC want to transfer a Ukrainian woman from one life of poverty in Ukraine to another life of poverty in the UK?? Not fair at all to the Ukrainian woman he marries. Very selfish of Trenchcoat, only thinking of himself, but not thinking of the Ukrainian girl at all.

[JayH]

The answer is I own a small city car as it is both cheap to run and I prefer the small size for parking. I own it outight,  I never needed a loan to buy it.

Possibly some of the owners of the cars featured are up to their neck in debt, some possibly not. Outside the city centre there are no doubt less cars and less expensive cars. When I journeyed by bus to Nikolaev from Odessa this tended to be the case. Some women of course may not drive as they don't earn the money to afford to, this is the case with the girl I was with last.

Sure I am not as wealthy as I would like to be. To some Ukrainiansort I am pretty wealthy to others perhaps not all that wealthy. It all depends, the last girl I was with I was very wealthy in comparison. Even then her family as a whole were not totally without wealth, her parents moved into what was there patents home on thE outskirts of town. I never saw a photo, only of the grounds but it looked like there was a bit of land there. That said land/housing will be way cheaper out there to the UK. She was sharing a rented two bed apartment with her sibling in a tower block in town. Her pay was typically low for retail put there. I can take home ten times her salary by just doing part time work of say 30 hours a week on basic pay. For sure not all Ukrainians are poor but the majority are. More I think than a decade ago since war & financial crisis hit. The war in particular I think is a constant drain on Ukraine's economy and I think while it continues their economy will continue on a downward slide.

You have declined to answer my question( again).
My point of posting -- you have repeatedly posted in an offensive condescending way about Ukraine and Ukrainians -- I posted a few links to videos that show a large number of cars -- my point-- a huge % of cars in those videos are far more expensive that YOUR car .And all those "poor" Ukrainian owners that you look down your nose on are driving later model,more expensive cars that you do !!
So-- what does that say about YOU?
My guess on the property you say you own ( you and what % by the bank !!) or my best guess is you inherited it and the natural appreciation has created it's value today.

Sure-- I am mocking you--how does it feel to be the target of belittling comments and attitude.You are not wealthy -- and you are wrong to think that ANY Ukrainian would see you as wealthy -- and this is at the crux of your attitude overall-- you think these people are inferior to you .

[JayH]

Trenchcoat does not make enough money to be doing this. Why does TC want to transfer a Ukrainian woman from one life of poverty in Ukraine to another life of poverty in the UK?? Not fair at all to the Ukrainian woman he marries. Very selfish of Trenchcoat, only thinking of himself, but not thinking of the Ukrainian girl at all.

Why?  Because a clown in DK whose advice TC values and believes told him he could find a "wife" on the cheap!
A lot of what Manny thinks and says is full on crap-- but in this case -- I  agree.
     I have often said on forum-- and in a number of real life cases -- that the girl should go and visit a guy in his world ( not in holiday environment --but his home) and see what day to day life actually looks like in reality.
     There  is a fair % of Ukrainian girls that head home -even after marriage- and they see the reality of a guys world. We see a procession of guys on the forums whose lady fled at the first possible viable moment for her etc The forums are all too quick to lable the guys as mules -- and not to often is the reality of his situation and what she believed her new life would be --or what she WAS LED TO BELIEVE !!

[Anotherkiwi]

     I have often said on forum-- and in a number of real life cases -- that the girl should go and visit a guy in his world ( not in holiday environment --but his home) and see what day to day life actually looks like in reality.

Totally agree.  I had one come and spend a month with me (two weeks on holiday, then two weeks with me going to work every day), and it was eye-opening for both of us.  This was a woman who had previously lived and worked in Western Europe, so was well-accustomed to Western life, yet even she found certain things hard to cope with.  Her English was excellent, though, so at least she didn't have to worry about how to cope when getting around - it was simply the slang which sometimes got her confused.  Even so, by the end of her time here, I'm quite certain she would have said "yes" if I had asked her to marry me...but I didn't.

[Davo]

Maybe I should pull the pin also. I earn 55k AUD, Raise 3 kids full time, pay a 250k mortgage and drive a 15 year old car. I suspect some people just aren't good with money. I race motorsport , go on holidays, eat out several times a week, own horses and my kids have the best of  everything. I still manage to save $ 500 per fortnight..... A bonus for me is after my divorce I'm resurrecting a successful business that has the capacity to triple my income in the next few years and she wants to work, her English is outstanding, I already have 3 job offers for her if things eventuate the way we hope.... As the woman I correspond with says " Anything is possible "

[msmob]

Girls in Odessa/Odesa I've written too spelled it both ways. Mamba spells it with one S but most girls write their city with two S.

You've just 'excused' your bizarre practice of (still) visiting dating sites( for educational purposes of others)  as being down to 'bad English' ... there was no need to prove that you didn't know that in Ukrainian Odesa in spelt with ONE S and in Russian it's TWO ..hence my little poke at  JayH..

[JayH]

Maybe I should pull the pin also. I earn 55k AUD, Raise 3 kids full time, pay a 250k mortgage and drive a 15 year old car. I suspect some people just aren't good with money. I race motorsport , go on holidays, eat out several times a week, own horses and my kids have the best of  everything. I still manage to save $ 500 per fortnight..... A bonus for me is after my divorce I'm resurrecting a successful business that has the capacity to triple my income in the next few years and she wants to work, her English is outstanding, I already have 3 job offers for her if things eventuate the way we hope.... As the woman I correspond with says " Anything is possible "

The short answer -- you already have an established routine and structure & lifestyle-- the real cost on another person is relatively low.
Plus --you have  a plan for the future. And--by the sound of it- a lady already.
The income issue -- is about being able to afford the pursuit -- and then have something to offer once she arrives !
Depending on where you live -- you could be ok -no problem I think
Above all -- you do not have a shit attitude !!


ADDED LATER
Generally guideline advice is just that -- opinion on what is required.If the OP had taken the advice generally offered-- he would not have had the wonderful experiences he has had -- and is having now. However -- it is clear he is a very competent and confident individual -- and well equipped to venture into the uncertain eg he was not worried about the potential downside costs etc

[BillyB]

Her friend now works for a film company in Odessa as head editor. They talk about agencies and how they work, how they worked for $100 per month initially basically as slave labor, and the deceit and paranoid and unsuitable men that frequent the sites. We talk for hours about the subject. Short story, don't use an agency.

The agency girl I went on a date with told me how bad it was too. She didn't like the horrible men, some 40+ years older, that she had to date. Later in the evening she told me all the places around the world she travelled to and how men showered her with gifts. There's a good reason some women will work as a "slave" for only $100 a month for years at the agency.

[Trenchcoat]

You have declined to answer my question( again).
My point of posting -- you have repeatedly posted in an offensive condescending way about Ukraine and Ukrainians -- I posted a few links to videos that show a large number of cars -- my point-- a huge % of cars in those videos are far more expensive that YOUR car .And all those "poor" Ukrainian owners that you look down your nose on are driving later model,more expensive cars that you do !!
So-- what does that say about YOU?
My guess on the property you say you own ( you and what % by the bank !!) or my best guess is you inherited it and the natural appreciation has created it's value today.

Sure-- I am mocking you--how does it feel to be the target of belittling comments and attitude.You are not wealthy -- and you are wrong to think that ANY Ukrainian would see you as wealthy -- and this is at the crux of your attitude overall-- you think these people are inferior to you .

I own my house outright and I did not inherit it. I have not inherited yet my family home is worth much more than mine. My house is in a nice enough area relatively crime free, nice locall shopping town centre and quite scenic around. What I'm saying is I have no rent or mortgage outgoings. This is a better position than many FSW are in many flats out there are still rented of the state and yes passed down but only as a right to abode provided the rent is paid of course. I'm not saying I am providing an FSW with a lifestyle of luxury though I believe many have self deluded themselves into thinking that is how lifeasible is like for the majority in the west, lol. Many in UK and no doubt US & Canada etc have mortgages on bog standard houses like I have and bog standard what hobs some even have additional loans, debts or pay rent.

[Davo]

The short answer -- you already have an established routine and structure & lifestyle-- the real cost on another person is relatively low.
Plus --you have  a plan for the future. And--by the sound of it- a lady already.
The income issue -- is about being able to afford the pursuit -- and then have something to offer once she arrives !
Depending on where you live -- you could be ok -no problem I think
Above all -- you do not have a shit attitude !!


ADDED LATER
Generally guideline advice is just that -- opinion on what is required.If the OP had taken the advice generally offered-- he would not have had the wonderful experiences he has had -- and is having now. However -- it is clear he is a very competent and confident individual -- and well equipped to venture into the uncertain eg he was not worried about the potential downside costs etc

Thanks Jay, your comments have reassured me. The figures lots of people, on many forums quote, scared me a little. If I'm one of the lucky guys and have found my other half, on my fist attempt, it won't be much of a financial burden. The way she chastised me for buying a pre-made meal recently, I suspect the shopping bill won't be a major concern either 

RW... Mate!! after reading so many horror stories, that started in the same circumstances as you, I'm pretty sure everyone was expecting you to crash and burn. I guess it shows you should always go in with an open mind and a sense of adventure, until your instincts tell you  differently.
Who knows? she might not have had the best intentions at the start, but women are the same all over the world, they're attracted to confidence and a fun personality. No matter her intentions, women usually don't deceive a man they are genuinely attracted to.

[Trenchcoat]

If you go back to the beginning of his posts, he admits to only making about $38K US per year. I commented at the time  that TCoat was absolutely insane for attempting to find a Slavic Bride, court her, marry her, bring her to Canada, and support her plus their 1 or 2 Children he states he would like to have, on a single very small, inadequate salary of only $38K Us per year.

Manny and I had some really good chats a year and half ago. Manny was crystal clear that any man who makes less than $85K/year has no business trying to do this....Trenchcoat's $38K per year.....ummmmm  - NO - it's just not going to get it done.  And then Manny explained why less than $85K is not good enough when he itemized all the expenses this journey entails. Manny was 100% accurate, I do not think it can be done by a man who makes less than $85K per year (by the way the self-admitted Communist Darth Budda stated he makes less than $30K per year as a Construction worker...call me crazy, but I do not see how he can support himself, his Daughter plus her on a SINGLE salary of less than $30K per year....unless he intends on living off the back of Uncle Sam on government assistance to support him, his Wife and Daughter. The US is not a cheap country to live in by any means. I am shocked Darth Budda is attempting this on a construction worker's less than $30K per year salary.

These guys (Darth Budda and Trenchcoat) are going to fall flat on their faces eventually - these poor Ukrainian women are going to go from living a life of poverty in Ukraine.....to a life of poverty in the UK / US. How is that any better for these Ukrainian women? The Ukrainian woman that TCoat eventually marries - that poor woman would actually be far better off staying in Ukraine and marrying a Ukrainian Man. She is not going to be any wealthier by marrying Tcoat and moving to the UK. If TCoat is  lying  to these Ukrainian women, promising  them a much better standard of living in the UK if they marry him......I am sorry but that is immoral and reprehensible behavior on his part and he should be ashamed of himself.

I will say it again, TCoat should not be searching in the FSU for a Wife, he doesn't make enough money to play this game. Him lying to his future Ukrainian Wife, promising her a life of luxury.....that is morally reprehensible behavior on his part. He is going to ruin some Ukrainian woman's life.

He'd be much better off, going back to school, getting a BS in STEM or Nursing, then following that up with his Masters Degree in either STEM or Nursing (ie FNP or ACNP). Wait, scratch the Nurse Practitioner suggestion, I just realized we are talking Great Britain here.....crappy awful terrible horrible socialized medicine where Doctors make a shit salary and Nurse Practitioners make a shit salary (No $59 per hour with an extra  (17)  Hours/week  time and one half $88.50/Hour overtime for NP'ers in Great Britain.) Ohhhhh the joys of Socialized Medicine!! (Moby and Kiwi will jump in here right now and explain why socialized medicine is so wonderful  Just teasing guys.  )

Anyways, Western guys on a very small salary like TCoat, as Manny brilliantly explained, should limit their search for a Wife to their own country and not venture into the FSU.

JayH, you are absolutely correct in questioning his earnings....Trenchcoat does not make enough money to be doing this. Why does TC want to transfer a Ukrainian woman from one life of poverty in Ukraine to another life of poverty in the UK?? Not fair at all to the Ukrainian woman he marries. Very selfish of Trenchcoat, only thinking of himself, but not thinking of the Ukrainian girl at all.

TMD I am already in STEM but in UK it does not pay well, few careers pay well here, this is not the US  Employers here will pay you the standard peasants wage no matter what you do. On certain jobs you may earn more if you gain a lot of experience/get promotion to he top tier jobs. However the income tax regime means earning a bit extra here will go largely unnoticed in terms of post tax salary so it is largely pointless bothering going for better paid but more stressful jobs. I am at present working on more independent streams of revenue to alleviate this situation. Even still so long as you end up with a decent amount if disposable income the strength of the pound means this can go a fair way on Ukraine. You also need to understand TMD that the UK economy functions differently from where you are in the US. We don't have the high expenses you US guys have that someone alluded to earlier on here. We don't pay expensive medical insurance, dentistry, expensive private pensions (unless ome so wishes) School fees, life insurance, home insurance, etc, etc, but we tend to earn less than you US guys do. So when my salary looks small to you you must remember that a lot of this will be end up as disposable income. For many in UK this disposable income is spent in mortgage or rent payments or wasted on overspending buy consumer cap for me it is not. Yes in the future I will be better placed still and this should help me in my search but still I think FSW need to gain some sense if reality as to how life is really like in the West. They need to be thinking of a step or two up on their current situation not several steps or a whole flight step up its just not reality in most cases.

Also remember Ukraine is much closer to UK than US so a lot less in flight fares

[rw_recruiter]

INHO Georgian Shashlik is the best.

And I did not pay a dime for it. For the tin foil hatters on here the four girls all threw in money and would not let me pay a dime.

Good girls are low risk and the payout is high if you catch one. Bad girls are high risk and the payout is less or may even send a guy into the hole.

Good girls can become bored or feel they have missed out on certain life experiences. Or drift apart, or x,y,z. I have seen it a million times. One of my best friends married a beautiful blonde Brazilian girl. Sweetest, nicest girl in the World. They would go on vacations separately. They drifted apart and a bigger, better guy snatched up her. We just think differently I suppose.

Girls in Odessa/Odesa I've written too spelled it both ways. Mamba spells it with one S but most girls write their city with two S.

Most living here write "Odesa" with one "s". You can see it in the photo I posted of Istanbul Park by the Potemkin Steps.

[rw_recruiter]

The agency girl I went on a date with told me how bad it was too. She didn't like the horrible men, some 40+ years older, that she had to date. Later in the evening she told me all the places around the world she travelled to and how men showered her with gifts. There's a good reason some women will work as a "slave" for only $100 a month for years at the agency.

Sorry to break the news. Neither Anya or the other girl has ever left the country. They both took the job to pay bills and practice their English. They both have degrees and wanted to utilize their education. Towards the end they started to make much more as competition popped up and different agencies started to pay more in commission they said. But they both hated the job.

Anya was not writing me the letters I am told. It was her girlfriend who still worked at the agency and was using her profile. But her friend thought I looked like a nice guy, so would call Anya and read the letter over the phone. Anya would reply and the letter would be sent back to me. So the words were hers. She did want to meet me.

[rw_recruiter]

If you do not wish to hear about bodily functions gone awry, or are eating lunch please feel free to skip this post.....

Over the last several days - how shall I say it politely, well.....things have moved a bit more quickly in the digestive system. My diet back home is almost no carbs, no alcohol, and no fried food. Here in Ukraine, that diet had been turned upside down. Not sure if it is the fried foods which I usually don't eat, or the extra alcohol or maybe just something I ate, but things were a bit "fluid".

I asked Anya for something, and she said she may have had it, but in our rush with living arrangements it slipped both our minds.

So here we are at the Georgian shashlik hole in the wall and I gorge myself on the great food. As I sit there my stomach beings to rumble a bit.

"Oh no. This place has no bathroom" runs through my mind. I ask Anya where the closest bathroom is and she says "right there a few steps, Make sure you have 5 Hrivna".

Now, a few steps to a Ukrainian is a bit different than a few steps to an American. As I walk down the the walkway I see nothing. My stomach really begins to churn and grumble. "Crap" I think. "This could be very bad".

I grimace and keep walking down the walkway of disappointment. "This cannot be happening". The longest walk ever.



Finally I reach the public bathrooms, walk inside and see a lady collecting 5 Hrivnas. I try to communicate I need toilet paper, and she nods at a roll of what looks like drywall sandpaper. I grab some and rush into the stall.

That is when I see there is no toilet! It is a porcelain hole in the ground. "What am I supposed to do with this!"

I realize there is only one thing to do, and fully remove my shorts because am worried about an explosion.

Disaster averted I walk back to meet the two girls (the others had yet to arrive) and they asked if everything was ok.

I must have had a funny look on my face. I try to dodge the question and blow it off, but they keep inquiring so I break down and tell them. Both women roll on the floor laughing. "Normal, normal" they say. And Anya says it is one of the oldest toilets in Odessa. They cannot stop laughing about my experience and when the other girls arrive relay the story so the everyone can join in on the hilarious episode.

[rw_recruiter]

After spending the day at Lanzheron Beach and stuffing ourselves with shashlik we head back to the newly rented apartment.



The film editor went home earlier, so two of Anyas girlfriends and one of their husbands return back with us to help kill all the extra beer and the bottle of cognac we have. Less for me to lug around, so I am all for it.

After a few hours they want to get the kids home, we give big hugs and kisses and see them off. Great warm people. I will miss them when I leave.

[rw_recruiter]

As I lie in bed this morning, Anya curled up softly against me I thought about my experiences and the people here in Ukraine.

The people are generally very warm and hospitable. Some will try to take advantage of you with foreigner price gouging. Anya and her girlfriend were angrily discussing that yesterday. But it is to be expected in a struggling country.

The children. They are intelligent, helpful, and grow up way too fast. It is tough to see a 9 year old with dreams which will probably never happen. This nine year old helped me in the kitchen at the dachas shashlik, watches her younger sister and is so well behaved and responsible. She played DJ on my laptop for the adults. She loves music, but may never be able to afford a laptop. She was more developed emotionally than 16 year old back home. Hell, she was more responsible than many 25 year olds in the US.

After teaching the 9 and 10 year olds at school we waited outside on the sidewalk for Uber. I watched one of the little men in my classroom carrying heavy bags with frail babushka in tow down the street.

The parents love their children here. Not sure if a parent loves their kids any less in any part of the World, but in Ukraine the kids seem more precious. Great care is taken with them. Other people are not bothered by them as they laugh and play in restaurants. The feeling of family feels stronger here.

Divorce does not seem as common as many have indicated. In the classroom all but one child (maybe 40 of the 75 that stood up to speak) lived with both parents. Ukrainian fathers are not the monsters that many make them out to be. Not all at least.

[AkMike]

Well said and echos's my thoughts and observations from the begining of my travels in 2004. Living here it shows even more in everyday life.

[JayH]

 

Well said and echos's my thoughts and observations from the begining of my travels in 2004. Living here it shows even more in everyday life.

[rw_recruiter]

Spending the day working in new apartment, trying to catch up on a few things. We took a walk to the supermarket down the street. Was careful not to buy too much as I had to carry it back like a true Ukrainian.

The apartment is very modern and has great design to it. Large windows facing the botanical gardens and the Sea off in the distance. It is across the street from another large park and a few doors down an arena where concerts are held.

If you can cut through the University and Botanical Gardens you hit French Blvd. It runs right behind that Southern looking home at the end pf the path. You can slightly see the Sea in the distance.



Large Orthodox church on the right if you look the other way out the window. On the left is Arkadia Beach. Between the two tall buildings. We could hear music last night. Tonight is the last night of Club Ibiza, so we will run up there for a bit.



Excellent location. Anya haggled the nightly price to $25 USD. She thinks she could get it down to $500-600 USD if it was monthly. Makes you ponder things....

[Trenchcoat]

Sorry to break the news. Neither Anya or the other girl has ever left the country. They both took the job to pay bills and practice their English. They both have degrees and wanted to utilize their education. Towards the end they started to make much more as competition popped up and different agencies started to pay more in commission they said. But they both hated the job.

Anya was not writing me the letters I am told. It was her girlfriend who still worked at the agency and was using her profile. But her friend thought I looked like a nice guy, so would call Anya and read the letter over the phone. Anya would reply and the letter would be sent back to me. So the words were hers. She did want to meet me.

Now this I find a bit strange, sure other girls no doubt fill in when the girl wants a break from writing, but no doubt many a guy comes across as 'nice' guys on messaging, some of course will come across as creeps or turn out to be, etc. They must get so man seemingly 'nice guys' write to them that I would have thought it to be of little consequence to them - the guy is just another guy in a long line that is coming across as nice. Why she phones up her friend Anya over it seems strange - surely just another 'stupid man' to deceive? Reading 'Odessa Dreams' its apparent that many an agency girl makes up excuses if the guy does even eventually visit as to not see him. After all they do not really know who is going to visit as many a keyboard romeo will say he will visit then nothing. Possibly if you send details of your flight a long way in advance but even then it is not guaranteed you will visit. You must of typed your messages very well or just struck it very lucky to get this to happen. In 'Odessa Dreams' the occasionally turn up but its the exception rather than the rule and that was when they were doing their tours which I don't think they any longer do.

[rw_recruiter]

Not sure, this is what I was told and I have no reason to think she is lying. The girls may tip each other off I would think? Would make perfect sense, no? Especially if friends or they run in the same circle.

So and so has lots of money and is very naive. This guy is very good looking, writes nice letters - seems decent. This guy from x country is a pervert, don't show up for the date.

As far as so many nice guys messaging they tell me that is not the case. Most are creeps or weird foreigners looking to kill time.

[Trenchcoat]

Maybe I should pull the pin also. I earn 55k AUD, Raise 3 kids full time, pay a 250k mortgage and drive a 15 year old car. I suspect some people just aren't good with money. I race motorsport , go on holidays, eat out several times a week, own horses and my kids have the best of  everything. I still manage to save $ 500 per fortnight..... A bonus for me is after my divorce I'm resurrecting a successful business that has the capacity to triple my income in the next few years and she wants to work, her English is outstanding, I already have 3 job offers for her if things eventuate the way we hope.... As the woman I correspond with says " Anything is possible "

According to TMD you are woefully underfunded for this venture, lol. It depends if you have found the right girl who is a bit frugal, you might have found a frugal girl but it depends if there is chemistry on meeting. As I have found this is the difficult part, you can get on wonderfully through messaging or Skype but go visit and there is nothing. Hence a potentially costly trip for no reward save the experience gained that can be invaluable. Are you using AD too like RW?

I would say to TMD here that his is an example of how many people are in the West financially, Davo here is not rich, he may become well of enough in the future but at the moment he does not even fully own his own home, he has financial commitments and an old car to boot which will only go on so much longer. He is also dependent on his salaried job - if things went south here his business did not take of etc then he could quickly be on precarious ground. Nothing against Davo but this is not an example of wealth, he may be able to offer a better lifestyle to a FSW but not the wealth many think nearly every western man that comes visit has. For me a decent amount of wealth would be to own your own home, which I do then bring in a good independent income, which I currently don't but am working on also. This is the type of security that many a FSW would admire but of course then you need be careful that she does not take you for what she can get. Even with a mortgage on marriage she would be able to claim a chunk of the equity of the house meaning the house may have to be sold. That would be a unpleasant place to be in for anyone and why I am so cautious on this venture.