assist ladies in cost on internet use

[jj]

Would it be customary to help  a lady out with her internet costs if we hit it off?  If so, what is the best way to  send it to her?  Money orders accepted there?  I have her mailing address.  We have just started corresponding.  That is the only thing she asked me to help her with, and only if we are sincere with each other.  The e-mails will already save alot of cost in translating letters.  She seems sincere as she is not wanting to long correspondence but wanting to start family and have me visit Nikolaev if we get along.  With her income at $200US and computer at $1.50 hour plus extra for pictures I can see where it would be expensive.  jj

[catzenmouse]

If you have just started corresponding and she is already asking for money then I would have to say: "Run, Forrest, Run!".

Ken

[KenC]

jj,
You must forgive us here because we usually view any request for money from a new contact with a jaundiced eye.  Sometimes to the point of being a little ridiculous.  The fact remains that she could possibly need your help to cover the costs.  There are so many variables in this game to consider.  How long have you corresponded with her.  Where the two of you met on line.  How she asked or suggested you to pay.  Just understand that it is not usual for a good woman to ask for money and that the odds are in favor of this being a little scam.  But only you know what has been said or not said and there is a small chance that she might be telling the truth.

With all that being said, you could send her $50 to cover 33 hours of correspondence and see what happens.  Guys here spend way more than that to join agencies and websites or for addresses.  Personally, I don't think 50 bucks is too much of an investment just to find out if she is real or Memorex.

There was a guy on Planet Love that went over and met a wonderful woman.  They got engaged and he left her with something like $500 to cover some costs related to her moving to America.  He ended up dumping her because she couldn't account for some small amount of money (like $75).  I couldn't believe it then that someone could be so taken by a woman to get engaged and yet so cheap to cut her loose over such a small amount of money.

The bottom line is that 50 bucks is nothing to find out the truth.  Send it to her via Western Union.
KenC

[David1963]

I wouldn't send her the money until you meet.  She makes a good salary for where she lives, my wife made less than half that and never asked me for money.

After you meet her then it would be appropriate to send money.  If you don't plan on making the trip within the next few months then you should send her money.  E-mailing UW is cheaper than those 900 numbers.

[Elen]

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$1.50 hour plus extra for pictures.....   jj

Agree that with 200$ salary( less than average in Russia for your inform) such cost of internet would be expensive But where is she from ( because in Moscow prices for internet almost 3 times less - you can buy one month dial-up internet  card for 20$ with cost 0.40-0.60 cents per hour in prime time and with free of pay "night hours" ( 2AM - 9 Am) or  get ADSL line with 20$ month charge with unlimited access. But that's in Moscow)   

[BC]

If she has a computer at home and is using dialup why not just have a fresh internet card with a nice note delivered to her instead of roses.. (no picture pluease.. ) see where it goes from there.

[Turboguy]

I have had a lot of gals ask for a small amount of money to help with the internet costs.  They have usually cited low wages and the sacrifice they must make to write me. 

They are always from gals who sound serious and sincere and talk of a future together.  I used to just write and tell them no, lately I have just been dropping the correspondence at that point.  Once I meet them I will be happy to help.  The last one to ask is a gal I had planned to meet in LUGANSK in 6 weeks.  It is not a city I am real comfortable with from a scam standpoint and I really think if she culd not wait for 6 or 7 weeks for help that she is just looking for the money.

I thought the rules said NEVER send money to a gal you have not met.  I guess KenC and I have different understanding of the meaning of the word never. 

[groovlstk]

I've never liked this request because, particularly before you meet, you can be certain she's writing to other men. Does she request $ from them, also? Or, maybe even worse, will she be writing other men on your dime?

[Bruno]

With her income at $200US and computer at $1.50 hour plus extra for pictures I can see where it would be expensive.

One of my previous girlfriend was from Nikolaev, with similar income, and using internet cafe... maybe your girlfriend need to find a cheaper internet cafe...

Take a look at http://gorsovet.mk.ua/fun/internet.ua for a short list of internet cafe in Nikolaev, with phone number and address...

[TheHorseman]

One of my previous girlfriend was from Nikolaev, with similar income, and using internet cafe... maybe your girlfriend need to find a cheaper internet cafe...

I don't know Bruno..... $1.50 and hour is pretty cheap.  That is how much is was in Oktyabrsky.  I know it way 40 rub for a half hour in St Petes. that is almost $3 and hour.

Agree that with 200$ salary( less than average in Russia for your inform)     

I think those wages might be in Moscow too.  In Oktyabrsky $200 is pretty good and more that the average pay.  My friend only makes $200 and he works is a high possition for the city.  My ex-girlfriend only made $200 a month and she was the Asst. Director of the best school in town, she worked 12 hours a day.  I know that the Teachers I worked with only made $120 a month.  And they work 11+ hours a day

[KenC]

I have had a lot of gals ask for a small amount of money to help with the internet costs.  They have usually cited low wages and the sacrifice they must make to write me. 

They are always from gals who sound serious and sincere and talk of a future together.  I used to just write and tell them no, lately I have just been dropping the correspondence at that point.  Once I meet them I will be happy to help.  The last one to ask is a gal I had planned to meet in LUGANSK in 6 weeks.  It is not a city I am real comfortable with from a scam standpoint and I really think if she culd not wait for 6 or 7 weeks for help that she is just looking for the money.

I thought the rules said NEVER send money to a gal you have not met.  I guess KenC and I have different understanding of the meaning of the word never. 

Well Turbo,
I did add a lot of disclaimers to consider before he sent the money.  It is a matter of risk vs. reward as I see it.  Fifty bucks is a small risk factor.  I have witnessed you blowing thousands of dollars on your follies.
KenC

[Turboguy]

Well Turbo,
I did add a lot of disclaimers to consider before he sent the money.  It is a matter of risk vs. reward as I see it.  Fifty bucks is a small risk factor.  I have witnessed you blowing thousands of dollars on your follies.
KenC

No you haven't KenC.  You have witnessed me blowing 10's of thousands of dollars on my follies.  I think there is some kind of virus going around.  There you are starting to sound like me with your post, what the heck $ 50 bucks is nothing in search of true love.   I thought my post made me sound like you or jb or Leslie as I said dump their fanny or just flat out tell them no. 

I still say the 10 commandments say Never, Never, Never send them money till you meet them. You are supposed to be more of a believer than I am in them.  My two cents worth still says don't send the money.

[Leslie]

jj,

How many letters/e-mails did you exchange before she asked for help with internet costs?

The reason I ask is that this is a very common scam tactic.  If it is less than 6 e-mail exchanges then I would just stop writing this woman.  Here is why -

Given the charges imposed by Western Union it is not practical to send less than $50.  The scammers know this.  If you are writing many guys and after 3 - 4 letters ask for help with internet costs a substantial % will send the dosh.  You only need half a dozen guys a month to send you $50 to enjoy a comfortable lifestyle!

If you have exchanged say a dozen substantial letters (i.e. way beyond the form letter stage)  then helping with internet costs is reasonable.  Send the $50.  After all this is pocket change.  It is substantially less than you would spend on a first date back home.  

Hope this helps.

[Bruno]

I don't know Bruno..... $1.50 and hour is pretty cheap.  That is how much is was in Oktyabrsky.  I know it way 40 rub for a half hour in St Petes. that is almost $3 and hour.

I don't know the internet club used by my previous girlfriend... but when i have stay in Nikolaev, i have find a internet club in the "business center", makarov 41, phone : 475009 ... it was around 30 computer in the club, Pentium with line at 256 kb/s... the price was $0.70 for one hour in 2005, maybe cheaper now...

In a lot of city in Ukraine, you can find cheap price for the use of internet at the main post office or the the building of UkrTelecom...

[jj]

Thanks for everyones in put.  I think common sense rules here.  No "money honey"  until well beyond the first e-mail or meeting.  Her e-mail asked a few questions about me, and then about the e-mail cost, but nothing about her or her teen son.  All three of her head shot pictures were the same , and very pretty.   She did not sign the e-mail.  Even the web-site said not to send -money and to report any suspicous scam to them.  It read like a translation which is not unusual that she know some english.  i purchased her 2 e-mail address, address, and phone.  I will answer without mentioning $ and see what happens.  I think groovlstk is got a good point about emailing other guys on my dime.  Unless of course Turboguy would loan me $50 bucks.     I have other response to e-mails that look more legit.  Fifty per cent of e-mails come back undeliverable. I am sure others have found also.  jj

[Turboguy]

Of course I will loan you the $ 50.00.   I will have to sort through the best way of doing it.  Send me all you bank account numbers, and credit card numbers and I will either wire money or have it credited to your credit cards.  Don't forget the expiration dates and security codes on the cards.

I am not sure what place you are using to get addresses but I almost never have one that is undeliverable as long as I enter the address properly.

[Elen]

off top about salaries in Russia
of course I can't know for sure what's salaries in each town in Russia but here is an official statistic  if you wish
http://www.gks.ru/bgd/free/B06_00/IssWWW.exe/Stg/d05/6-00.htm

Table N3 - average salary ( about 9 000 rub ~ 300$ in 2006)
Table N4 - average salary in different spheres of economy ( yes teachers gain about 200$ )

A map wich shows income per persone
( more dark - more income)
 gradation
- less than 5 000 rub ( ~150$),   
- 5 000 - 10 000 rub ( ~150 - 350$ )
- 10 000 - 15 000 rub (~350 - 500 $ ) - if I'm not daltonic Moscow is in that cathegory
- more than 15 000 rub ( mor than 500 $ )


http://www.gks.ru/gis/D_04.htm ( the same pic but bigger)

[PeeWee]

off top about salaries in Russia
of course I can't know for sure what's salaries in each town in Russia but here is an official statistic  if you wish
http://www.gks.ru/bgd/free/B06_00/IssWWW.exe/Stg/d05/6-00.htm

Table N3 - average salary ( about 9 000 rub ~ 300$ in 2006)
Table N4 - average salary in different spheres of economy ( yes teachers gain about 200$ )

A map wich shows income per persone
( more dark - more income)
 gradation
- less than 5 000 rub ( ~150$),   
- 5 000 - 10 000 rub ( ~150 - 350$ )
- 10 000 - 15 000 rub (~350 - 500 $ ) - if I'm not daltonic Moscow is in that cathegory
- more than 15 000 rub ( mor than 500 $ )


http://www.gks.ru/gis/D_04.htm ( the same pic but bigger)

It seems, if I recall correctly, my friend who is a purser with Aeroflot is making about $1,200.00 per month while some of the senior captains that I have lunched with told me they made about $3,500.00 per month. According to your list these people are doing fairly well when compared to the average.

Peewee

[Elen]

Well $3 500 is very good salary, $1 200 is rather common for "normal"  male in Moscow ( but not for female) But numbers I posted were income per one persone If you have 1 child then your $1200 turn into 600$ of income per persone ( well that's how I see that statistic )

[PeeWee]

Well $3 500 is very good salary, $1 200 is rather common for "normal"  male in Moscow ( but not for female) But numbers I posted were income per one persone If you have 1 child then your $1200 turn into 600$ of income per persone ( well that's how I see that statistic )

It is an interesting statistic. Considering what commercial pilots earn here in the US, expecially if they pilot for what we call a "Legacy" airline, the $3,500.00 would be fitting with the career. Russia stands at the threshold of prosperity. As Russia continues to develop her natural resources and continues to develop her trade partners incomes and life styles should blossom.

Peewee

[Elen]

. Russia stands at the threshold of prosperity. As Russia continues to develop her natural resources and continues to develop her trade partners incomes and life styles should blossom.

Peewee

WHAT???    continuing to develope natural resourses is a way to nowhere for Russian people ( I see that would be fine for the West thought)
Just look at numbers in table 4 in a link I posted and see how salaries in natural resourses economy are fine and how they are bad in all other spheras because nobody here ( and at the west as well - truth tell it's hard to expect something other in this matter)  has too many interest in developing something else in Russia except natural resourses. Developing natural resourses would be fine if there was no couple things - those resourses are not renewing thing and their amount is enought to have good life for some time ( about 50 years) and only for 30 % of population in Russia ( there was some calculation about this matter)  - after then it will be the end
So natural resourses are some kind of damnation for Russia but not a resourse for blossom

[andrewfi]

If you want you canse the tables in some kind of English here: http://www.translate.ru/url/tran_url.asp?lang=ru&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gks.ru%2Fbgd%2Ffree%2FB06_00%2FIssWWW.exe%2FStg%2Fd05%2F6-00.htm&direction=re&template=General&cp1=NO&cp2=NO&autotranslate=on&psubmit2.x=97&psubmit2.y=17

Sorry for the long URL.

BTW Elen, you should be grateful that those in the extraction industries are doing so well. In large part they are funding your life! Over time the proportion of national wealth deriving from extractive industries will tend to decline (it already is, absent the huge rises in oil prices!)

[wiz]

Thanks for everyones in put.  I think common sense rules here.  No "money honey"  until well beyond the first e-mail or meeting.  Her e-mail asked a few questions about me, and then about the e-mail cost, but nothing about her or her teen son.  All three of her head shot pictures were the same , and very pretty.   She did not sign the e-mail.  Even the web-site said not to send -money and to report any suspicous scam to them.  It read like a translation which is not unusual that she know some english.  i purchased her 2 e-mail address, address, and phone.  I will answer without mentioning $ and see what happens.  I think groovlstk is got a good point about emailing other guys on my dime.  Unless of course Turboguy would loan me $50 bucks.     I have other response to e-mails that look more legit.  Fifty per cent of e-mails come back undeliverable. I am sure others have found also.  jj

JJ

I see that you are new here so can I make a small suggestion?

Why pay money for e-mail addresses of women when you can do it your self?

Cost of Internet cafes in ukraine is between 3 -8 Gryvna ($.79 - $1.50) the highest price in Kiev and other large cities, like Odessa but average around $1 dollar per hour.

Have a read of some of my previous postings and wish you good luck.


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1741.0

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1749.0


RGDS
wiz

[PeeWee]

WHAT???    continuing to develope natural resourses is a way to nowhere for Russian people ( I see that would be fine for the West thought)
Just look at numbers in table 4 in a link I posted and see how salaries in natural resourses economy are fine and how they are bad in all other spheras because nobody here ( and at the west as well - truth tell it's hard to expect something other in this matter)  has too many interest in developing something else in Russia except natural resourses. Developing natural resourses would be fine if there was no couple things - those resourses are not renewing thing and their amount is enought to have good life for some time ( about 50 years) and only for 30 % of population in Russia ( there was some calculation about this matter)  - after then it will be the end
So natural resourses are some kind of damnation for Russia but not a resourse for blossom

Elen, you just have not realized it yet. Your oil and gas exports will mean jobs, wages will rise, trading partners will continue to develop. Resources are sometimes a renewable thing and the amounts of them are vast. Timber and fisheries (especailly caviar) are renewable if managed properly. Oil and gas reserves are both vast and virtually untapped. Oil has become the must have resource. What is Iraq? What is Afghanistan? And if you say anything other than oil then I say you are very naive.

The US is moving closer toward a stronger trading ties with Russia. The two countries may soon be trading in nuclear products. All of this points to prosperity for the Russian people.

Peewee

[rpmschevy]

Actually Reaganomics is what you are talking about, or the old trickle down theory, or is it fact now.  It is already happening.  Last week in the news, IBM in Russia.  Oracle is in Russia and Ukraine.  These are high tech jobs.

Elen as it was said before, the natural resources bring a large amount of wealth into a country, see USA history.  It is what is done with that wealth that determines how everyone else benefits.  People squander the wealth, then you are right.  However, if people become educated, and from what I have read and seen, your country is very well educated, then more jobs open, spreading more wealth.  Capitalism at its best.