The Struggle For Ukraine

[Grumpy]

[2tallbill]

French lecturing Trump

Grumpy stirs the pot then will disappear for 3 weeks while Krimster goes on a post rampage.

France can send aid to Ukraine, nobody is suggesting that they don't.


From Politico EU
France way behind Germany on military aid to Ukraine, data show
Of Europe's big military powers, France is doing the most lackluster job in sending
arms and ammunition to Ukraine, according to a new calculation of international
aid by Germany's Kiel Institute.
http://www.politico.eu/article/military-aid-ukraine-france-way-behind-germany/

[krimster2]

I gots me one of them Che Guevara Black Berets
I look quite dashing
cuz The Revolution will be televised
and it needs a 'snappy look'

a couple more weeks to my next protest

[2tallbill]

I gots me one of them Che Guevara Black Berets
I look quite dashing
cuz The Revolution will be televised
and it needs a 'snappy look'

a couple more weeks to my next protest

As long as you have that faraway stare, the dreamy romantic
dissident look isn't the preferred over dashing? Or can they be
blended together now?

[krimster2]

all the world is but a stage...

someone with 'my range' can play many roles!!!
i'm what they call in the industry 'versatile'

[Grumpy]

Pot Stirs itself.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/934ae4973dc9.jpg

[krimster2]

The Theater of Appeasement

carefully choreographed to create the illusion of progress while changing nothing fundamental about Russia's ongoing invasion and war crimes

What makes this performance particularly cynical is how transparent the staging is. Putin reiterates his maximalist goals that would effectively end Ukraine's existence as an independent state in the same breath as agreeing to this superficial pause.
The precondition for a real ceasefire?
A “total end to foreign military support and intelligence sharing with Kyiv”—in other words, Ukraine's complete vulnerability and isolation...which would be a prelude to it's surrender

Ukraine has to accept whatever terms Trump says, and say please and thankyou or ELSE Trump will take away Ukraine's ability to defend itself
while Russia tells Trump what it's terms are

The ONLY OTHER THING Trump and Putin agreed on, was that a future with an improved bilateral relationship between the United States and Russia has huge $$$$ upside (for Trump and Putin)
so really this is more of a focus on a future normalized trade relations treaty between Russia and the USA

Trump needs to get rid of Ukraine...it's BLOCKING HIS GOALS
me thinks. Trumputin will later try and trap Ukraine, into rejecting Putin's future terms
so that Trump will use it as an excuse to take away Ukraine's ability to defend itself, but this time permanently
and put tarriffs on European nations delivering weapons to Ukraine
becuz they are "anti-peace"
and then Trump removes all US sanctions on Russia
while severely limiting Ukraine's ability to defend itself and survive
so it ends up like Poland in 1939
and $Trump mem coin market cap goes past the $50 billion mark...cuz Russian oligarchs are buying it like mad

we're just watching a show—A Diplomatic Apprentice Reality TV with a script written in Moscow and produced in Washington,



Today, President Trump and President Putin spoke about the need for peace and a ceasefire in the Ukraine war. Both leaders agreed this conflict needs to end with a lasting peace. They also stressed the need for improved bilateral relations between the United States and Russia. The blood and treasure that both Ukraine and Russia have been spending in this war would be better spent on the needs of their people.

This conflict should never have started and should have been ended long ago with sincere and good faith peace efforts. The leaders agreed that the movement to peace will begin with an energy and infrastructure ceasefire, as well as technical negotiations on implementation of a maritime ceasefire in the Black Sea, full ceasefire and permanent peace. These negotiations will begin immediately in the Middle East.

The leaders spoke broadly about the Middle East as a region of potential cooperation to prevent future conflicts. They further discussed the need to stop proliferation of strategic weapons and will engage with others to ensure the broadest possible application. The two leaders shared the view that Iran should never be in a position to destroy Israel.

The two leaders agreed that a future with an improved bilateral relationship between the United States and Russia has huge upside. This includes enormous economic deals and geopolitical stability when peace has been achieved.

[krimster2]

Putin is now dependent on Trump for defeating Ukraine
while Trump is now dependent on Putin for receiving Russian money
this mutual codependency will determine the diretion of future Ukrainian "peace negotiations"
the priority is to get Ukraine out of the way, to resume the flow of Russian money laundering

ultimately, the only way to get rid of Ukraine, is to take away it's ability to defend itself
so Trump needs a pretext to cutoff Ukraine...Zelensky not bowing deeply enough, etc.

[Trenchcoat]

US Military aid was cut off but is now restored. However that will only last for the next 2-3 months as it's the military aid Biden had already pushed through.

By then Russia should be starting to lack in Armaments itself in a bad way.  So for Ukraine it's best to try and last it out a bit and get as much of that 2-3 month supply that it can. The weaker Russia gets on the battlefield the more UK/EU military aid will suffice to hold of Russia. Trump is almost definitely certain not to give Ukraine any more military aid after current US military aid exhausts in 2-3 months time as to date he seems dead set against that. However, the UK/EU bloc is a powerful force in itself both economically and militarily, maybe not as much as the US and losing them means burdening the load but it looks certainly that the UK/EU combined are a lot more powerful militarily and economically than Russia.

So a lot comes down to willingness of the UK/EU and Ukraine to go the final leg and hold on to defeat Russia. Hold until Russia's economy cracks up and it's military gets weaker and weaker and it has no choice other than to give up and pull out of Ukraine.

[krimster2]

Europe gives almost the same amount of money to Russia for gas and oil which is deposited in Russia's foreign weapons/technology purchasing account
as it gives Ukraine for weapons

so if you gave the same amount of money you gave for police protection to the criminals they're protecting you from
how far ahead do you think you'd be?

this is Ukraine's achilles heel
I suspect Trump's temporary cutoff was just a prelude
so that when the inevitable Reichstag Fire breaks out, Trump will permanently remove US Aid to Ukraine
and wilth all that $$$ Trump gets from Russia
Europeans will wanna piece of the pie to

Putin also wants to work with Elon directly now...

Earlier, UK ex-Defence Secretary Sir Ben Wallace said Donald Trump has been “bettered in Round One” by Vladimir Putin.
The former Cabinet minister also detailed his fears that Trump will sell out Ukraine in a secret deal with Putin.

Sir Ben told how he was Defence Secretary when first-term Trump did his so-called “Deal of the Century” with the Taliban in February 2020 to end the US military presence in Afghanistan.

The former Defence Secretary told of a “secret annex” which “basically gave the Taliban everything they wanted to beat the Afghan army”.
Sir Ben explained further: “In the Taliban deal, which he basically did behind everyone else’s backs, he allowed the Taliban to carry on but restricted the American forces to their bases, removed any air cover, and that was the two things that actually the Taliban feared..so they just ploughed on ahead.

“It’s a similar thing here.
“The reality is...how will Trump view it...will he view that he has actually been bettered in Phase One, or Round One by President Putin, will he start picking up the phone to European leaders and saying ‘do as I tell you’ like stop supporting Ukrainians because that’s the only way we are going to get in his view peace and what will the European leaders say.”

But the Kremlin said on Wednesday that Putin and Trump understand and trust each other and are determined to restore badly damaged US-Russia ties step-by-step
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/round-one-to-putin-as-trump-threatens-to-sell-out-ukraine-in-secret-deal-warns-ben-wallace/ar-AA1BdWJF?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=DCTE&cvid=3202405985a64a8ca1b32818545ed306&ei=17

so...yes...Trump is gonna sell Ukraine to Putin
and then later he'll sell social security to Wall Street

Trump NEVER lost ANY money underestimating the intelligence of MAGA voters
it's a sure bet that they're the dumbest of the dumb
the ones who post here, are perfect examples, highlighting their VAST ignorance
while worshiping the Orange Genuis

Republican who introduced Trump derangement syndrome bill arrested for soliciting a minor
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/18/minnesota-justin-eichorn-arrested-soliciting-minor

birds of a feather...
how many times was Trump named in the Epstein Files by "Jane Doe"
don't forget, while his wife was pregnant, he was having sex with a porn star, paid her hush money, lied about it, and got 34 felonies in return
who WOULDN'T want this guy to be the one who decides Ukraine's fate...right...?


PS
a smoking gun from Tass
http://tass.com/politics/1870713


The Kremlin's statement following Trump's call with Putin differs from the White House version.
The Russian account includes poison pill requirements, to achieve a 30-day truce: halting mobilization in Ukraine & ceasing all international military aid  & intelligence sharing with Ukraine.
Trump left out those details and lied about it on TV

[2tallbill]

Putin bombs energy plants hours after telling Trump he would halt attacks
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/03/18/russia-ukraine-zelensky-putin-peace-talks-war-latest-news/

[krimster2]

so Zelensky was RIGHT when he told Trump "you can't trust Putin"
unfortunately, Trump is even less trustworthy than Putin

The Art of the Bogus Peace Deal

 A few years ago, his phone call with Zelenskyy was "perfect".
This week, his phone call with Putin was "very good".
I see a trend developing here
Trump should switch to email

[olgac]

Putin bombs energy plants hours after telling Trump he would halt attacks
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/03/18/russia-ukraine-zelensky-putin-peace-talks-war-latest-news/

2017 Nobody knew health care could be so complicated
2025 Nobody knew stopping wars could be so complicated

[ML]

Putin bombs energy plants hours after telling Trump he would halt attacks
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/03/18/russia-ukraine-zelensky-putin-peace-talks-war-latest-news/

I think someone predicted this . . . can't rememberwho.

[krimster2]

2020 - nobody knew managing a pandemic could be so complicated
except for Joe Biden who created the Pandemic Preparedness Program, which Trump eliminated
and then Trump lied over and over about the pandemic and urged us to inject bleach

and I'm the weird crazy person...who voted for Kamala...and not rednecks who voted for Trump

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

     Oy Vey

[olgac]

urged us to inject bleach

You forgot shiving UV light into the body
this could do a tremendous number on infection

[2tallbill]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2013872/ukraines-incredible-new-1-2bn-resort

It's a bit long and not exciting.
http://youtu.be/ZJi4fc7GZ-s

[krimster2]

since Trump has eliminated 60% of Ukraine's logistics
and european tarriffs are putting the squeeze on the remaining 40%
Putin is no longer interested in the pursuit of peace

instead...
Putin makes an offer
 a ceasefire has a cost
in fact, it's a surrender first, then a cease fire
the cost would be to give Russia 4 regions of Ukraine: Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Luhansk & Donetsk.

Ukraine still holds:

- 42% of Kherson (ca. 300 000 people)
- 40% of Donetsk (ca. 200 000 ppl)
- 30% of Zaporizhzhia (ca. 600 000 ppl)
- 2% of Luhansk (ca. 1000 ppl)

In total, more than 1 million people still live in the Ukrainian-controlled parts of these regions.
so land that Ukraine spent thousands of lives successfully defending must be handed over
along with unsuccessfully defended russian occupied lands
oh you wanna fight cuz we're stealing yur house?
well give us yur house and the two next to it and we'll stop...

Before the invasion, the ethnic compositions of these regions was as follows:

- Kherson: 82% UA - 14% RU
- Zaporizhzhia: 71% UA - 24.5% RU
- Luhansk: 58% UA - 39% RU
- Donetsk:  57% UA - 38% RU

handing this over would be part of the surrender process, but not the end
Zelensky won't do this...so he will be replaced by someone who will
this is the direction Ukraine will drift in by summer
I'd expect that the fortunes of war will turn against Ukraine due to lack of logistics

becuz of Trump
once Zelensky is replaced, Ukraine will surrender Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Luhansk and Donetsk
and will be added to Crimea as Novo Russiya
and will know peace
for as long as it takes Russia to rearm

which once Trump removes Russian sanctions, will be pretty fast

PS
Trump's Budget just passed by the House, has a $2.5 trillion deficit, which means in the near future we will soon have $3 trillion yearly deficits
and that's with 275,000 federal job cuts and hundreds of billions in tarriffs
I suspect this will be a low number, when we find out next year that tax receipts are down

the war in Ukraine will still be going on
the American economy will be coming apart
there is now a career apocalypse for all white collar jobs

ya still think people are gonna worry over "write one" or "write many"?


working for the conventional economy in a conventional job is a dead end now
relying on the system to provide you with a job, is over
yur first step to making a job is to know how to make something
then ya gotta figure out how to sell the thing yur making




 

[Trenchcoat]

Just a quick one here but it looks like what I have been saying in the Russians running out of Armour has finally come true:

http://euromaidanpress.com/2025/04/12/frontline-report-russia-ran-out-of-armor-so-ukraine-is-stopping-waves-of-troops-with-one-machine-gun-near-pokrovsk/

Looks like Russia who have recently conscripted about 160,000 more men for the war are trying to overwhelm the Ukrainians with sheer number of men. However, now lacking in Armoured vehicles and tanks these efforts are completely hopeless and doomed to failure. Russia are only likely to get weaker on the battlefield from here on out meaning their hopes of beating Ukraine on the battlefield are becoming a forlorn hope.

Ukraine should soon be able to hold on pretty easy and may even retake some ground from Russia in the months to come. Ultimately with it's economy and military in a bad way this may become a war that Russia ends up being forced to give up.

[krimster2]

LOL! that's EuroMaidan's "unbiased view"?
that "human wave" tactics signals the collapse of the Russian military?
LOL!!  did you watch the movie "Enemy At The Gates"
this is how Russians fight - a sacrificial slaughter for glory of the motherland

well...
the Russian Army is NOT an Army with soldiers, it's an Army of Slaves
Slave Armys are not high quality becuz the slaves ONLY fight because they are afraid of the king
if instead, you Russians fight Putin, you just have ONE ENEMY to deal with
but if you Russians go to Ukraine to fight, you have hundreds of thousands of angry Ukrainians to deal with
but yur all Russian idiots who'll die in Ukraine, instead of taking on Putin, because going to Ukraine, that's the path of least resistance and intelligence

Trump putting the squeeze on Ukraine's logistics and making at LEAST a 60% long term cut ALREADY
while putting pressure on NATO economies to do the same
is all but a guarantee of Ukraine's future demise
Putin has 3 years and 9 months, to figure out how to finish off Ukraine

it's clear, Putin is not interested in stopping the war, because with Trump in power he's winning instead of losing like under Biden
everything about the "Peace Treaty" is a LIE from either Trump or Putin
all lies...all the time...


PS
Trump is setting up the oligarch takeover of the USA, beginning with a consumption tax to offset cuts to capital gains taxes
The trick Trump is trying to pull off is to get the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) to allow estimated tariff revenues to "offset" the proposed Trump tax cuts and declare the budget revenue neutral, thereby allowing the tax cuts to go through with a simple majority vote. The resulting budget would shift the tax system from a progressive taxation system to a more consumption-based system.

Trump's tarriffs have NOTHING TO DO with bringing manufacturing back to the USA
and everything to do from transferring taxation from the richest Americans to the poorest with a consumption-based tax system
remember Malcolm Forbes and his VAT national sales tax scheme?
this would fall somewhere under that

the people around Trump who are privy to his daily tarriff changes are engaging in insider trading, and the watchdogs have all been fired, so carry on then

[Trenchcoat]

LOL! that's EuroMaidan's "unbiased view"?
that "human wave" tactics signals the collapse of the Russian military?
LOL!!  did you watch the movie "Enemy At The Gates"
this is how Russians fight - a sacrificial slaughter for glory of the motherland

well...
the Russian Army is NOT an Army with soldiers, it's an Army of Slaves
Slave Armys are not high quality becuz the slaves ONLY fight because they are afraid of the king
if instead, you Russians fight Putin, you just have ONE ENEMY to deal with
but if you Russians go to Ukraine to fight, you have hundreds of thousands of angry Ukrainians to deal with
but yur all Russian idiots who'll die in Ukraine, instead of taking on Putin, because going to Ukraine, that's the path of least resistance and intelligence

Trump putting the squeeze on Ukraine's logistics and making at LEAST a 60% long term cut ALREADY
while putting pressure on NATO economies to do the same
is all but a guarantee of Ukraine's future demise
Putin has 3 years and 9 months, to figure out how to finish off Ukraine

it's clear, Putin is not interested in stopping the war, because with Trump in power he's winning instead of losing like under Biden
everything about the "Peace Treaty" is a LIE from either Trump or Putin
all lies...all the time...

There is often good & bad news stories to report or not report by either side in war, unless one side is whole heartedly winning or losing of course. However although Euromaiden Press might be seen as biased and in sogd ways it probably is at some times I think here it is probably about right. It's well known that Russia has been losing Armour at a far faster rate that it can replace it over the last three years. It takes moments to destroy Armour in the field with the right weaponry, it takes far longer to construct new Armour in a factory.

Looks like the writing was on the wall for Russia back in February when it was reported that they were begining to run out of Armour:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/04/ladas-may-be-putins-last-resort-russia-ukraine-war-defence/

Now it looks like they have totally run out of Armour apart from drips and drags of Armour that they occasionally may get new from the factories.

That's not good for Putler, once his forces get obviously seen as being weak his bargaining hand at the peace table decreases dramatically. Once Russian conventional forces can obviously no longer win then Putler is seen in a weak position. I never really thought that a peace treaty would come about as neither Putler nor Zelensky could ever give up anything,bits down to who loses this one.

I've seen the, 'Enemy at the Gates' film many times, it's in my DVD collection. First time I watched it I was shocked by the Russians mowing down their own troops if they started to retreat. A tactic that wasn't great but probably worked in some cases back in the day but nowadays is looking like a pointless sacrifice of men and a strategy for disaster.

[krimster2]

the NKVD "blocking units" still exist - new FSB lapels on uniforms
Russian institutions are partly based on an ancient centralized managerial bureaucracy
no NCOs in Russian military means just officers to direct the slaves to be slaughtered
no real strategy - just attrition

by summer, the Russians should be pushing hard to replace Zelensky with Poroshenko
who will sellout Ukraine for a box of chocalates
Pootin will celebrate the creation of Novo Russiya and Trump will tear up sanctions on Russia
and Russia rapidly rearms while America burns

Soviets killed milions of their own people
lined them up against a wall
put them in extermination camps
mass starvation
for no reason at all

kill half the people, to terrify the other half into total blind obedience
this is how things have ALWAYS worked in Russia

somebody like me in Russia would speak perfect native level English and have advanced engineering degrees
so as not to have to serve in the Donbas mud with toothless Russian Gopnicks who are on death's front doorstep knocking to be let in

[krimster2]

the problem with the existing "contact zones" or hotspots
is that they are heavily mined on the Ukrainian side
so Russians send out probes looking for openings through the mine fields
which Ukrainians destroy
and they keep repeating this

a better strategy is to keep Ukraine pinned down in the East and South
and then open a new front from Belarus in the North, like they tried in the beginning
Ukraine hasn't prepared in-depth defenses for an attack from the North
so Russia will attack where "the enemy is weak"
they could even try to divide Ukraine this way, and cut-off the east of Ukraine from supply

where would Ukraine get the soldiers and LOGISTICS to counter a NEW FRONT?
Russia has Chinese, North Korean "volunteers" and outnumbers Ukraine 4-1

just look at the numbers...
WITH US support
Ukraine was SLIGHTLY ahead
but without it
will be WAY BEHIND Russia
and eventually, this accounting fact will show up in the battlefield
which is what will put pressure on Zelensky to leave, when the Ukrainian Army starts to give up ground
then, after Zelensky is replaced, Ukraine surrenders to Russia
Russian sanctions are removed
Exxon Mobil Siberia will be the biggest business venture in the history of the world

PS
due to lack of American logistics, Ukraine is "adapting"
cheap low cost drones, assembled in Ukraine from Chinese parts
are currently producing 50% of Russian casualties

http://x.com/i/status/1911971548665135299

Ukraine "we don't need no stinking logistics"
just an army of drone assemblers and gamer drone pilots

in the 18th century American farmers with kentucky rifles fought the bloody british at the battle of new orleans
in the 21st century, Ukrainian drone pilots fought the bloody Russians at the battle of Kherson

Russians completely miss the opportunity for the electronics and ECM war
direction finding with software defined radio spectrum analyzers
would let you map every radio transmitter on the battlefield in real time, including every drone operator
while yur setup is "completely dark" on the RF spectrum, cuz you run cables to a distant point for COM

this is one type of "counter drone"
drone hunters

another is drone interceptor

and of course, you have yur own offensive drone operations
some tactical on the battlefield - some on infrastructure

Ukraine no longer has a strategy to win the war
at best, it has a strategy to try and hang on
for the next 4 years

[Trenchcoat]

This isn't a bad article of recent:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy7dv6zk36o.amp

The map in the article shows a large expansive area of the border along neighbouring Belarus. Belarus is interesting, it has not so far directly entered into the conflict on Russia's side. I'm surprised nothing has happened along the Belarus border aside from some small activity during the early days of the invasion. Someone said here a while ago that the Belarus border region has since been fortified by Ukraine. I don't know whether it has or not for certain but it would make sense as you pointed out Krim it would be all too vulnerable area otherwise. So odds are that it is heavily mined and fortified now with troops. I think if such an easy area to win the conflict we're left still existing Russia would have probably taken advantage by now.

Troop numbers are difficult to ascertain. I've seen articles that state that Ukraine has just under a million in the military though not all on front line roles and Russia has somewhere around 1.3 - 1.5 million though possibly not all in front libs roles also. Russia of course seems to be losing men and refilling as fast as they can. The Chinese in the war seems to be few in number and mostly volunteers attracted to the good pay & bonuses it seems . I don't think that China itself is motivated to send it's troops to fight in Ukraine. North Korea has sent some troops but it seems they can only spare so many and they aren't performing all that well. Possibly the North Korean regime fears a revolt at home if they send many troops that and it looks like it may have made big noises about it's military in the past that just aren't true for such a small and relatively poor country.

Another problem Russia apparently has is arming the troops that it has in Ukraine. Recent reports have highlighted this and it can cap the numbers of troops Russia can bring to Ukraine as if they have no weapons to give them in hand there is not much point them being there. Potentially even a lot of troops they have there may have little effective weapons in hand. Again it takes time to produce even small arms and if soldiers are lost in their hundreds or more daily then any weapons they have are often lost with them. So I would suggest that from this things probably aren't all that rosy on the Russian side, my guess is that Russian forces are increasingly becoming degraded and facing attrition in weapons and armaments with which to wage war effectively.

[krimster2]

in 2025, we took a little trip, along with President Zelensky down the mighty Dnipro
we took a liitle salo, and we took a liitle beans, and we fought the bloody russians over stolen blue jeans
we launched our drones, and the Russians kept a comin
down the dnipro to the chorny moira
we launched our drones and Russians started runnin
up the dnipro all the way to Rostov

yeee-haaaaaa
Odessa Yvray Self Protection Society and Conservatory Klezmer Band (available for Bar Mizvahs)

Krimster's Guide To Modern Warfare

1. always use local civilian "volunteers" for mine clearing purposes - otherwise helicoptors flying 30 feet above the ground at high speed to move strike squads short distances
2. the Kraken SDR Radio Direction Finder can change the war

organize Russian assault units to identify and target Ukrainian drone control transmitters who are all generally within 2 KM of the front lines
strike units are equipped with mortars and automatic grenade launchers - units attack GLASNOS coordinates of drone controllers detected by direction finders
they just play "wack-a-mole" whenever a signal "pops up"

if Russians suppressed Ukrainian drones by 50% it would have a HUGE impact on the war
OTOH, if Ukraine could DOUBLE it's production of FPV drones, it would also have a huge impact on the war

I suspect in terms of being "cost effective" funding Ukraine's drone program will give NATO "the most bang for the euro"

how will Trump avoid having to put sanctions on Putin at the end of the month, when Putin still does NOTHING to move towards "PEACE"?
so like tarriffs, I just assume Trump will change his mind, and do nothing, after Putin does nothing as well
it was a bluff
and Putin will call it
and Trump will fold
and blame it on Biden and Zelensky

PS
the momentum has clearly shifted to Putin's favor with Trump's return to power
Ukraine no longer has ANY HOPE of being able to achieve a military victory significant enough to defeat Russia
while Putin has a 3 year 9 month window to develop a strategy to BEAT Ukraine

another front + getting Belarus into the war might do it, without using Novichok
if Lukashenko thinks Putin will win, he'll go along with it to get some of the spoils, money, oil/gas/, territory

the Balkanization of Ukraine
if Ukraine is "divided-up" will Hungry "grab a piece" and then claim Article 5 to Russia?
so at least 1 NATO country, maybe more, will grab a piece of Ukraine, if it breaks apart...
plus Trump's minerals LLC for his sons
plus Chinese leasing farmland

let them all fight OVER Ukraine with Russia
winner takes all
which means Russia