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That can be explained by one of two alternatives.
You know what the alternatives are.

There are 143 million people in Russia. Let's say there are 70 million voters.
If 50 million voters voted for somebody else Putin would still win by a landslide
and the polls would show him as being loved by 80% of the people and the people
who ran against him would be in prison.

Putin is dictator/czar/king of Russia for life. He is more popular than Yeltsin or
Gorbachev who were worse. So what's your problem with some girl who stops 
by the forum?

Sodamn Insane won by larger margins and his poll numbers were higher and
NOBODY ran against him. So you would terrorize any Iraqi who stopped by too?

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There are 143 million people in Russia. Let's say there are 70 million voters.
If 50 million voters voted for somebody else Putin would still win by a landslide
and the polls would show him as being loved by 80% of the people and the people
who ran against him would be in prison.

Putin is dictator/czar/king of Russia for life. He is more popular than Yeltsin or
Gorbachev who were worse. So what's your problem with some girl who stops 
by the forum?

Sodamn Insane won by larger margins and his poll numbers were higher and
NOBODY ran against him. So you would terrorize any Iraqi who stopped by too?

I disagree to some degree about Yeltsin.

Your analogy is flawed. Most Russians support Putin. Hes not a dictator.
 
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I disagree to some degree about Yeltsin.

Your analogy is flawed. Most Russians support Putin. Hes not a dictator.

What would you call a leader that ensures any opposition candidate / party cannot gain momentum on bogus political charges designed to exclude them from.running?

This is the finding of the ECHR

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Not a dictator.
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So leaders deliberately stifling opposition aren't dictators in your eyes ?
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Autocratic perhaps. Dishonest, definitely. But dictatorial?  No.

I suspect Putin would win even if Navalny were on the ballot and everything was above board.
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Autocratic perhaps. Dishonest, definitely. But dictatorial?  No.

I suspect Putin would win even if Navalny were on the ballot and everything was above board.

I disagree

If the likes of Navalny were allowed to publish their evidence - note the Russian media regulator forced the removal of long standing vid / photographic evidence of the dep RU PM's questionable associations  - and campaign without restrictions


Many Russians feel they cannot influence their country and the suits VVP just fine
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I disagree to some degree about Yeltsin.

Your analogy is flawed. Most Russians support Putin. Hes not a dictator.

Let's take it to another thread. This is Lena's intro thread.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=post;board=10.0
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I disagree to some degree about Yeltsin.

Your analogy is flawed. Most Russians support Putin. Hes not a dictator.

Yeltsin presided over a period of much turmoil and was definitely less popular.

Putin is president for life and ZERO of his proclamations aren't acted upon.
Zero of his programs are overturned by the Duma or the courts and everybody
who runs against him is thrown in prison.

Where was I wrong?

Yes, most Russians support Putin however if his support lags there is nobody to
report it is there? There are no daily tracking polls that 7 different polling companies
conduct and they are not averaged at Real Politics are they? There are no news stories
that explain or predict why his numbers are up or down.


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That can be explained by one of two alternatives.
You know what the alternatives are.

Explain or don't
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I guess someone will have to show me where I attacked personally an individual Russian girl.

As I recall, I have advised a few of them that they were in for heartbreak in trying to match up with a WM when they and the WM realize down the road their different viewpoints on Russian actions against neighbors.

This should be viewed as trying to help, even where not received well; not to attack.

And, I have criticized the Russian people in general for supporting a leader and his policies and actions which have killed and injured many Ukrainians.

But personally attacking a Russian girl here . . . don't think so.
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I am not sure what constitutes a dictatorship.  To me, I had always thought that a dictatorship meant that the person in power was the rule of law and that he/she could not be challenged.  While I believe that Putin's cadre of friends who make up his oligarchy have previously had some say in what laws were enacted, and the Governors of the Oblasts have some degree of autonomy, and Putin plays the role of politician, I guess it could be said he is a dictator.  I think I would better characterize his position as the head of a ruling oligarchy.
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Yeltsin presided over a period of much turmoil and was definitely less popular.

Putin is president for life and ZERO of his proclamations aren't acted upon.
Zero of his programs are overturned by the Duma or the courts and everybody
who runs against him is thrown in prison.

Where was I wrong?

Yes, most Russians support Putin however if his support lags there is nobody to
report it is there? There are no daily tracking polls that 7 different polling companies
conduct and they are not averaged at Real Politics are they? There are no news stories
that explain or predict why his numbers are up or down.

Yeltsin was also dealing with a the Supreme Soviet and a Duma ruled by commies who blocked moving the country forward in any way, and were attempting to restore the USSR.
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I'm not being  disrespectful as I've read many of your posts ML and you offer great advice, but I read your comments in Elena's post as attacking her. She's a young single mother and politics that she has no influence on, is probably the last thing on her mind. Being a single parent myself she's got far more important things to be concerned about.

My advice to any woman who treats a man with  kindness, honesty and has a caring heart, is she should run as quick as she can if her husband's  going to judge her on her political views and create issues for petty reasons.

99% of men would do anything to keep a good woman and would probably never even discuss this sensitive issue. I have never once mentioned it, I don't want to destroy my chances with a wonderful woman, because they are hard to find.

The last women I dated caused big issues for me. One hid a social cocaine habit. Another wanted an open relationship and the third wanted to move in with her 3 kids and defraud welfare.

The worst was my Ex wife. Like your wife, she was a teacher, dedicated and highly regarded by her peers and we also had an issue regarding time together and what she was doing in our precious time. My ultimatum was  "Stop drinking, partying, hanging out with drug addicts and stop having an open affair in front of me and our children" ... She made her choice and I kicked her out. Before  that I had been beaten up by two of her drinking buddies and left in the gutter bleeding, as she drove away to hook up with a man. After I was arrested and acquitted  on false DV charges, because she broke a finger nail when I slammed a door in her face and then I was left raising our kids as I was awarded custody, due to her mental problems...... the kids I had to in the past have paternity tests on as she was a serial cheater.  Finally without going into details a family member committed suicide due to my ex's behaviour. These are reasons to bring your wife to task over, not politics.

Pretty f#@cked up shit and i know there are guys in here who have been through similar marriages. It makes me appreciate genuine women with empathy and morals, when you are lucky enough for them to let you into their lives. Throwing that away for political differences is shows a deficiency in the mans personality.

Realistically most of our countries have essentially invaded other  countries and  killed many thousands of innocent men, women and children, far more than Russia. We are the not the best examples to be walking the moral high road.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2018, 11:30:06 PM by Davo2 »

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Its a very different thing when you are from, or in love with someone from, the country invaded.
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Its a very different thing when you are from, or in love with someone from, the country invaded.

I understand that  completely, judge their politicians, but don't tell them her husband who loves her  is suddenly going to cause her heart break, because of politics,  that's simply not going to happen in 99.9 percent of cases. If you truly love someone you put a a side these differences. How would you come across if you said " yeah I dumped the most beautiful, kind and caring woman, because I don't agree with her countries actions.... You would look like a callous arsehole. If I took this attitude, I couldn't date half the single women in Australia.   
« Last Edit: March 03, 2018, 11:45:38 PM by Davo2 »

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Maybe we have a different view here. I watched Russians and Ukrainians marching and interacting together in our Australia day parade, earlier this year. They put their differences aside and marched as human beings who  weren't divided by  politics. Everyone should take a leaf from their book.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2018, 10:13:53 AM by Davo2 »

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Not even the case on this forum.  FTR, the better half is from Ukraine, has some Ukrainian ancestry, but has far more Russian ancestry.  All his grandparents are from Russia.  He speaks Ukrainian fluently, but no one else is his family can speak it.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2018, 01:03:11 AM by Boethius »
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I guess someone will have to show me where I attacked personally an individual Russian girl.

Selective reading issues, ML ? ! ;)


Elena is but one example - it is now your default position - and none too savvy. ((

But personally attacking a Russian girl here . . . don't think so.

Think, again - but REALLY think this time ;)
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Autocratic perhaps. Dishonest, definitely. But dictatorial?  No.

I suspect Putin would win even if Navalny were on the ballot and everything was above board.

When you throw all your competitors in prison that sorta gets
you a check by your name. If you totally control the press you
get another check mark. If 100% of your positions become law
you get another check mark. If anyone in the Duma resists
blindly following you and they suddenly get investigated and
thrown in prison then you get another check mark.

If you can make it illegal for protests against you in defiance
of the constitution you get another check mark. If you get the
constitution changed so that you can run indefinitely you get
a check mark. If you get to keep billions of the countries money
in your own private accounts then you get another check mark.

If you can throw any businessman in jail for not being paying
sufficient homage to you, then you get another check mark. 

If you have enough check marks then you get dictator status.
Putin has enough check marks, he is a dictator.


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Quote from: ML on March 03, 2018, 03:27:42 PM

    I guess someone will have to show me where I attacked personally an individual Russian girl.

Selective reading issues, ML ? ! ;)

Well someone please help me in selecting which of my posts I should be reading.

So far I have been accused of personally attacking RW by 3 people, but none can refer me to my words that do such.

Advising someone of the potential problems they may encounter is not attacking.
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My advice to any woman who treats a man with  kindness, honesty and has a caring heart, is she should run as quick as she can if her husband's  going to judge her on her political views and create issues for petty reasons.

You are mischaracterising my ideas.

You don't dump a partner (or friend) because you don't agree on politics.
You don't dump a partner (or friend) because you don't agree with his/her country's actions.
 
You do have a problem when his/her country is invading, attacking and killing persons in your country . . . and he/she says . . . I am completely in support of it.

I see nothing petty about killing.
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Realistically most of our countries have essentially invaded other  countries and  killed many thousands of innocent men, women and children, far more than Russia. We are the not the best examples to be walking the moral high road.

And I am completely symmetrical in  this regard.

If a person from outside the USA is involved with a USA person, and USA is invading, attacking and killing persons within that other country . . .

and when USA person says they completely agree with that action . . . then the person from  that other country will not be happy living with the USA person . . . unless they happen to agree with the USA person's opinion.
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When you throw all your competitors in prison that sorta gets you a check by your name. If you totally control the press you get another check mark. If 100% of your positions become law you get another check mark. If anyone in the Duma resists blindly following you and they suddenly get investigated and thrown in prison then you get another check mark.

Not all Putin's competitors are jailed.  He faced 3 opponents in the 2012 presidential election, and will face more in 2018.

The press is not totally controlled.  Television is totally controlled by the Russian government.

Not all his positions become law, either.  Look at debates in the Duma.  There is debate there, and at time, they descend into fistfights.  He has opponents who are never investigated, such as Zhirinovsky and Grudinin.

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If you can make it illegal for protests against you in defiance of the constitution you get another check mark. If you get the constitution changed so that you can run indefinitely you get a check mark. If you get to keep billions of the countries money in your own private accounts then you get another check mark.


Protests are not illegal.  They have to be registered.  I don't know if he has billions of dollars stashed away.  But look at your own political system.   Foreign leaders and diplomats who visit the US believe they are compelled to stay at Trump's DC  hotel in order to see him - a hotel he is supposed to have divested himself of on winning the election.  His son in law appears to have used his position and proximity to the president to obtain loans, and his daughter received an impossible to obtain Chines trademark registration on the eve of an official Chinese visit.  So is your president a dictator as well?

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If you can throw any businessman in jail for not being paying sufficient homage to you, then you get another check mark. 


Who is that?

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If you have enough check marks then you get dictator status. Putin has enough check marks, he is a dictator.


Dictatorship means absolute power over unwilling subjects.  If you examine all criteria, by that definition, Putin is not a dictator.   He is probably,
however, authoritarian.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2018, 05:31:52 PM by Boethius »
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putin will be there for life , he will either die in the job , or be overthrown

he is by all definitions a dictator imo even though he technically is voted in

having family in both countires and a wife born in one , but a citizen of the other it is a very difficult minfield to navigate , russian /ukrainian politics

best not talked about if you wish for a harmonius relationship

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